"I did not like being called a racist by BJ because I am not. Like all liberals when you don't agree they dismiss facts and call names and attack."
Uh huh, nyner, I call names and you're all about the facts. Another gem of yours. B job signing off. . .
"Perhaps the GOP doesnt think his O ness is worthy of respect? Politics is a messy business. I suggest you search for some other great examples of political resistance to an idea, bill or executive order. O rarely if never sought compromise"
Given his resume, character, and position as a newly elected President, why from the inception wasn't Obama as worthy of respect? Or at least as worthy as, say, Clinton or Bush?
Btw, you've distorted history. Obama is correctly admonished from Dem wing of the Dem party for continually seeking compromise with the GOP, even well after it was clear the GOP was not at all prone to compromise with him. By far his greatest use of executive orders came during his last two years, after Obama admitted that his attempts at compromise had failed and he now he was going to what he could without GOP approval.
One point to add about ACA. Obama may not have taken into account that the GOP would actively resist and undercut the ACA after it was enacted. For one thing, the ACA was modeled after the system Romney instituted with the Dem legislature in Massachusetts. And the big Dem defeat in 2010 -- especially the statehouse elections and the House -- vastly increased the clout behind the GOP's resistance. For example, all new programs need corrective amendments as ideas are translated to reality, but nothing could get done like that in the House or the Red states. Hard to gauge the impact of that on the effectiveness of ACA, but it had to be substantial. The Massachusetts system worked pretty well.
And, if Obama failed to see that kind of continuing opposition as a substantial possibility, I can't fault him for that. I've seen that kind of opposition -- against the person rather than the person's ideas -- in organizations from time to time. But I've never seen anything like the GOP's staunch opposition -- to anything Obama did or tried to do -- by the opposition party to a sitting U.S. President.
"Only thing Im not too sure about is the notion that doing something is better than inaction. People in general think insurance is a scam. They dont understand how it works. Time after time the key negotiating point becomes "my co pay". Educating people to understand how Health insurance works might have been a good step"
Agree. Making those kind of political judgments well beyond my ability.
"Millions have health insurance. It's not the same as healthcare. High deductibles means monthly health insurance payments with no healthcare.
San Francisco did right. Healthy SF provides healthcare at lower rates. Low income ppl are subsidized. But 25% dropped out since Obamacare"
As I said, not a fan of ACA. But it has net increased availability of healthcare, and last I heard, costs were net rising at a lower rate. Mainly, ACA is a step toward the sort of healthcare system of every developed country other than the US, which cost about half what the US "system" does, with better outcomes. (If other countries edged us in, say, military systems, you'd imagine we'd have moved towards their thinking.)
In any event, the main point is that being an adult is often choosing the lesser evil over inaction. That's what the ACA was; an attempt to begin to move in a different direction than the horrid healthcare system of 2008. A reasonable political choice, since a single-payer system was a non-starter at the time.
About the capitalism vs. socialism argument that conservative posters here constantly push. Any contemporary thinker knows neither pure system works well.
Capitalism works by incentivizing performance. But since power begets power, "pure" capitalism leads to a corrupt oligarchy, like what the US has now, where a few billionaires run the show. (Whether liberal or conservative, I think every regular poster on this blog recognizes the corruption of the financial and political systems now, and sees a relationship between the two.)
Socialism levels the playing field. For that reason, it is more consistent with democracy. But pure socialism -- people produce according to their abilities and receive according to their needs -- does not reward individual production. This undercuts motivation and meritocracy.
This is why no modern developed country has a anything close to a pure system one way or the other. The serious issue is reaching a good balance.
"Obama Care is a total failure"
How do you figure that? Millions of people have access to health care now that didn't before. And the last figures I saw, around 2014, the rate of increase in healthcare costs decreased. I'm not a fan of ACA, but total failure?
Btw, bigotry isn't nice either. Very human, but not nice.
One more thing, nyner: I've known about your race thing for years. But you being passionately concerned about where a transgender poops, wow, that's new. You're a weird bigot. Perfect Trump supporter.
" Obama led America with intelligence, class, and decency through a turbulent period "
" I am speechless. Delta is to dumb to answer but Apples response no logic behind it only partisanship along with B Job. What class what decency what intelligence what are his accomplishments."
Nyner, perhaps you and others have forgotten. The reason you don't see Obama is that you're a bigot.
What you see is a dressed up beneficiary of affirmative action. All he had going for him -- and these are your words --, was that he had been trained to read a teleprompter.
What you don't see is the guy who headed the Harvard Law Review or taught consititutional law at the University of Chicago School of law or worked as corporate lawyer on Wall Street or a successful community activist in Chicago. Or the guy beat Hillary in 2008 primaries, when all he had to do was together the put together a team to compete with Hillary's formidable organization and broad national recognition, innovate political use of the internet, and rally people like I haven't seen since the 60s.
Sure, reasonable people can differ about his politics and policies. But Obama's razor-sharp intelligence, his command of whatever issues he addresses, and his deep humanity and decency are obvious just looking and listening to him. Easy call. If you're not blinded by, for example, bigotry.
You hardly know anything about politics or government, so there's no reason you would be aware of his accomplishments, which are really stunning given the GOP's determination to undercut anything he does regardless of whether the GOP agrees with it. Btw, I guess you don't know that Obamacare was originally a GOP health care plan that Obama decided to adopt, for political reasons, rather than try to push through the more sensible progressive alternatives. But since you don't really know much of anything about politics and government, and can't see Obama at all, how could you be aware of his accomplishments?
"how cute, bjx steps out of the shadows to defend the freebie king. how nice of you to chime in with your giant bag of nothing."
Ah, delta, aapl doesn't need any protection from you. Though admittedly your in-depth knowledge of politics -- and of course your cutting wit -- are ever so formidable.
"Trump offends everyone. Did you not hear what Trump said about the other 16 Republican candidates? What did Trump say about any foreign group which was not true?
Trump is a nationalist. He puts Americans ahead of foreigners. The president takes an oath to protect the American people."
You don't protect your people by unnecessarily alienating most of the rest of the world.
"I guess you don't have kids, shocker or maybe your a transgender"
I have kids. Seriously dude, there's a virtually infinite list of better things to worry about than where a transgender poops.
"obama has given aapljack 8 years' worth of free money while that fat piece of garbage sat on his rear and did nothing. of course aapljack would blow him, given the opportunity. the threat of Trump becoming president and getting all the lazy sacks, like aapljack, off the social payout money train scares the #$%$ out of them. its one reason i want trump. the other main reason is because Hillary makes me want to vomit."
Very persuasive, delta. Your fact-free analysis clearly shows your solid understanding of politics and government. And so Elegantly articulated. A perfect Trump supporter.
" Trump is a disrupter. if the rep's actually unify this could be very interesting."
Oh, it's interesting already. In fact, that Trump is a major party candidate for President of the most powerful country in history is enormously interesting.
Doubling of oil now would take it to the mid-50s, very much in sight. If the Iraq "cease-fire" was actually a broader deal that encompassed Ukraine, we could see oil a lot higher than that, imo. But not if we're in a worldwide recession. . . .
" The only thing stopping them from sending our country into ruin is control of the house and senate."
guts, you seem to have a solid perspective about what you know and don't know about trading. Why is it that you seem to have no perspective about what you don't know in politics?
"Many millennials had not worked before Obama's presidency. They have no means for comparison."
They compare with their parents.
Glad I didn't short the market after aapl's historic earnings decline reported after hours. Maybe I'm actually learning.
Btw, what's up with spammers? Don't even see my post of yesterday after hours.