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bluesky_there_to_here 996 posts  |  Last Activity: 4 hours ago Member since: Jul 7, 2004
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  • How much longer? The biggest opposing bear is moving so slow to cover it looks like. Slow as molasses by the look of the ticker tape prints.

    This will be needing some attention to save those shareholders that followed you here into Herbalife. There were bunches that followed in up in the high 70's. Do you have something to give them hope?

    This 44 dollar area brings back memories of 2/14/13 and the beginning of your getting asked questions like "Why are you doing this Carl? I guess they chose sides before you even filed the 13 D. It's been an odyssey waiting for an update ever since the "hugging".

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here 5 hours ago Flag

    Just sign up with Kaplan Learning Center and there's no telling how far you can get in the world.

    DYODD JMHO

  • Things are different now about material events that affect investors in Herbalife. He has a lot of Board Representation responsibility that he did not have on February 14, 2013, the day of the 13D filing announcement. Since we have seen it fall from $83.51 to 40's he has not really updated materially really except for not selling one share of HLF. He has caused material consternation in Herbalife holders because of the hug and what not on stage of Delivering Alpha 2014 Keynote with mystery guest biggest bear in Herbalife He did not tell him there he was going to win, he listened to Mr. Ackman say he wanted to get him out of the stock and he did not say "Why would I want to get out of the stock?" He did not say anything to the biggest bear about it, not even that he wanted to hold the stock and thought it was a great company for taking private or income diversification or anything to his face publicly.as to why he wanted to hold on to it. He did not give small retail shareholders any update then.

    The Tweet of Carl Icahn on 8/27/14 where he said: "but right now too busy working on BIG deal with another investment banker.” is not an update unless he says it is an update for Herbalife.

    Some shorts said that was him joking with the Jeffries guy Handler about the ice bucket challenge for ALS but WHO WOULD JOKE ABOUT ALS disease that has been known to be commonly fatal and is what Lou Gehrig died of?

    Nobody would joke about that. I said it is dangerous to ignore Carl Icahn. Especially when this stock has been making 52 week lows lately.

    It looks and acts like an update but after the 3 dollars spike up that day, the stock has now fallen down to the price of his February 2013 filing of the 13D of 14 million Herbalife shares purchased and 12.98 percent
    ownership of HLF.

    I would say his IEP that is still super majority owned by him still has investors that would want an update about his plans of income diversification or privatization of Herbalife company.

    DYODD JMHO

  • What will we hear from Mr. Icahn? I sure hope it is great. Everybody, and I mean everybody is watching and waiting now.

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here 10 hours ago Flag

    Open of regular market it's now down there at 44.75.

    Carl Icahn 13 D trading day stock price.

    What will we hear from Mr. Icahn. I sure hope it is great.

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here 11 hours ago Flag

    And some sour#$%$ just sold a small amount of shares in the premarket at 45.00 even. That, believe or not is just a few pennies or so above where it was trading when Scott Wapner relayed those statements that Carl Icahn made on the day of his filed 13 D in Herbalife for 12.98 percent and 14 million shares ownership in the company.

    Do not ignore Carl Icahn.

    DYODD JMHO

  • Remember, this is what he reported that Carl Icahn told him after he filed his first 13 D of buying 14 million shares of Herbalife in February 2013.

    As reported by Scott Wapner February 14, 2013: He says Carl Icahn told him the following after his 13 D was filed about his Herbalife 14 million share purchase:

    1. He has done a great deal of research on this company.
    2. That he does not make an investment like this lightly.
    3. That he has spoken with the CEO of Herbalife Michael Johnson several times and
    that he thinks he is doing an excellent job.
    4. Scott Wapner said that Carl Icahn went on to say that Bill Ackman is completely off base about what
    he has been saying about Herbalife.

    Scott Wapner went on to say that "Carl Icahn is making a bet that Herbalife is in fact the legitimate business that he believes that it is and that it is not a pyramid scheme that Bill Ackman has alleged ever so publicly."

    That was from that day that Carl Icahn first filed his Herbalife 13D of his 14 million shares purchased for 12.98 percent ownership in the nutritional supplement maker company Herbalife at that time.

    The last communication we have been waiting for further follow up on is the Tweet of Carl Icahn on 8/27/14 where he said: "but right now too busy working on BIG deal with another investment banker.”

    Some shorts said that was him joking with the Jeffries guy Handler about the ice bucket challenge for ALS but WHO WOULD JOKE ABOUT ALS disease that has been known to be commonly fatal and is what Lou Gehrig died of?

    Nobody would joke about that. I said it is dangerous to ignore Carl Icahn. Especially when this stock has been making 52 week lows lately.

    Don't ignore him about this Herbalife.

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here 20 hours ago Flag

    So today prompted the lifting of the "HLF conversation blackout" and it was talked about on Fast Money show. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think they mentioned Carl Icahn at all there in reference to activism or Herbalife. They were giving accolades to Bill Ackman with respect to Herbalife. See my verbatim post of their talk on Herbalife.

    I say it's a mistake to ignore Carl Icahn.

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here 21 hours ago Flag

    Again, because a certain multiple ID using bear on here likes to bury informative posts:

    The Monthly On Balance Volume for Herbalife is positive at 584,207,753

    The Weekly On Balance Volume for Herbalife is also positive at 239,671,659

    Just look at those On Balance Graphs, they indicate what looks like manipulation, fake painted prices, extreme overload of bought puts and sold calls, and not a whole lot of real shorting added over the weekly and monthly charts on the price fall from the 70's or so to 45.32.. These values I pasted are straight from today's Monthly and the Weekly On Balance Graphical charts.

    Again, it is extremely hard for manipulators and market makers to fake or paint the On Balance Volume.

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here 22 hours ago Flag

    YOU LIED TEX !!!!!! The Monthly is positive, On Balance Volume is positive at 584,207,753

    The weekly on Balance Volume is positive also at 239,671,659

    OPEN YOUR Blurry intoxicated eyes and look at those charts before you call people liars.

    Look at those On Balance Graphs, they are extremely indicating what looks like manipulation, fake painted prices, extreme overload of bought puts and sold calls, and not a whole lot of real shorting added over the weekly and monthly charts on the price fall from the 70's or so to 45.32. What a jerk. Look at the values I pasted straight from the Monthly and the Weekly On Balance Graphical charts.

    You are the one messing up on your accuracy of numbers around here.

    Again, it is extremely hard for manipulators and market makers to fake, paint the On Balance Volume.

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here 22 hours ago Flag

    You're lying is almost CRIMINAL lying. I didn't say the Daily OBV was positive. I said the weekly On Balance Volume was positive and it is currently positive 239,671,659 . You don't want to look at the weekly one because it's extremely indicative of faked, painted stock prices to the extreme. The Daily On Balance Volume also indicates fake, painted, manipulated prices also even if it is a little bit negative numerically.

    Look at the posts again, inebriated one (s).

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here 22 hours ago Flag

    You like to project your own substance abuse onto others, don't you? A pity, someone should help you get the help you need. Absinthe is what you say you abuse? Brain cells die as you age anyway, so why would you want to speed up the dying process tubabob ? You must not like the choices you've made in life. You continue to provide nothing here but character associations and drunk-like potshots at people. Your projections are too obvious. Absinthe is more rapidly destructive than many other alcoholic drinks. Weird.

    DYODD JMHO.

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here 23 hours ago Flag

    It's extremely out of kilter with the price it should near when you look at the Weekly On Balance Volume. That OBV is way, WAY up there still from when this was in the 20's and such. And what I said about what could happen quickly if Carl Icahn said any kind of positive Herbalife structural or income diversification statement still stands.

    As does this: This situation will not be realized hardly at all if Carl Icahn remains mum. Therein lies the potential for reputational impact, the remaining mum too long now.

    Take a look at the weekly On Balance Volume chart over the past 2 years. That is out of this world high in the positive stock holding territory.

    The float appears tighter than a drum from that chart's associated Weekly On Balance Volume appearance.

    Woe to the those on the wrong side if he says something materially positive such as the above or so.

    All my simple opinionated observations but the OBV is hard for them to paint or fake.

    DYODD JMHO

  • So, the market makers, with the somewhat unwitting help from put buyers and call sellers, have moved the price down to 45.32 over the past few months but the On Balance Volume has stayed relatively high up there and POSITIVE. You have been smoke and mirrored into thinking the price should be here when in reality, Carl Icahn could do the slightest bit of positive meaningful statement and it would almost springboard slam back to that coinciding On Balance Volume price of 58 dollars and logic would essentially dictate that the sheer move of that would propel it higher than 58 dollars.

    If I've told you once (I have), I've told you a bunch of times that the hardest thing for Market Makers and manipulators to do is "paint" or "fake" the On Balance Volume. You can tell they haven't been shorting a whole lot extra here as if they were, the On Balance Volume would go down proportionately with that just as it does with real shares being sold. This is all smoke and mirrors, fear mongering, largest long investor media intimidating shorts image changing to pussy cat image, that has dropped this most recently from 69 dollars to 45.32.

    It's not something that could withstand continued downside pressure with any kind of positive Herbalife structural or income diversification statement from Carl Icahn and would shoot toward the realistic associated Daily On Balance Volume price chart visualizing indication with probable more pressure going to higher prices from that move for an unforeseen amount of time based on what was said by Carl Icahn.

    This situation will not be realized hardly at all if Carl Icahn remains mum. Therein lies the potential for reputational impact, the remaining mum too long now.


    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here Sep 15, 2014 8:00 PM Flag

    Your welcome.

    DYODD JMHO

  • Fast Money CNBC show Monday 9/15/14 segued from Allergan discussion to Tim Seymour who says VERBATUM : I mean, to me, the, the Herbalife trade is something that is still very much a play on stuff that any of us, I don't think that who have not done the kind of work that Bill has done are still sitting on the sidelines. I think that if you look at what he's done, it underscores the kind of year it's been for activist investors. That to me is why he will be able to raise this money and it's arguably, it's true. Now will the Boardroom change a little bit, I mean, it will be interesting to see how companies respond to what has been what looks like targets on their backs and that's credit to Bill Ackman.

    Then Guy Adami immediately says verbatim : Herbalife made a 52 week low today, FYI, and maybe he will be right after all is said and done. Good for him, I'm just sayin'.
    ____________________
    End of record. Watch it.

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here Sep 15, 2014 7:42 PM Flag

    There is no phone number to my brain, YET. I am still all human right now, by the grace of God.

    DYODD JMHO

  • The above subject line and its inevitable consequences if it were to ever occur in any scenario, is why I think Carl Icahn is obsessively working to get a deal done here in Herbalife as fast as possible. Whatever entity is holding him up needs a swift kick in the rear because the reputational heat is falling on him and his future capital recruitment ease now, it will be falling on those feet draggers later.

    If you would only tell us roughly how close you are to a deal, it would be immensely appreciated by all the shareholders that have been suffering ever since the media started saying and showing videos portraying essentially that "the Hatchet is Buried" in the Battle of the Titans over Herbalife. If that is true then the Hatchet is Buried here where Herbalife is way under its 200 day simple moving average stock legitimacy marker line, way under its 50 day simple moving average, now at 52 week lows, and it is 46 percent under its 52 week high.

    Carl Icahn, is that the right place for shareholders to Bury the Hatchet?

    HLF closed at 45.32, lowest close in 52 weeks, and now its 52 week high is 85 PERCENT ABOVE today's close.

    Is that where you Bury the Hatchet????

    DYODD JMHO

  • bluesky_there_to_here bluesky_there_to_here Sep 15, 2014 2:34 PM Flag

    45.38 now. It means nothing without some word from Carl Icahn.

    It all changed on the following 7/16/14 day:

    From Delivering Alpha 2014 Agenda:
    ____________________________________
    4:30 - 5:15 p.m. KEYNOTE
    Carl Icahn, Chairman, Icahn Enterprises
    Interviewed by: Scott Wapner, Host, "Fast Money Halftime Report," CNBC

    5:15 - 5:45 p.m. MYSTERY GUEST

    5:45 p.m. COCKTAIL RECEPTION

    _____________________________________
    Institutions started selling HLF down late that 7/16/14 day from 64.79 to breach the 4 hour 50 period marker line that is a great institution indicator.

    Except for the few days of Chapman dominated CNBC talk of HLF 7/22/14, it never closed above that important line again yet so far.

    And the wind cried... 45.55 (just printed)

    DYODD JMHO

  • Just go through all of what takes place when a company privatizes. One of the biggest things is the shorted stock has to be called back in. Wonder what that will do to the current stock price?

    Let's all start listing little by little what all takes place that people have not thought about for a long time when a company goes off the market again to the private world.

    Return on equity Q2 of 2014 for Herbalife was 3,110 % Can you believe that?

    Oh, anyway, back to the exercise here. All the things that must take place and that shorters must do if a company privatizes.

    Little by Little.

    DYODD JMHO

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