Ok now 6 dividends, now do you remember how many dividends I have made by have an entry and exit price for FTR? I believe I have about 16 or 17 "dividends" for the year to date, and the year is not over. I'm not holding right now, FTR has not hit my buy trigger yet. No I cannot just buy a stock like FTR just to gain dividends, it has to have growth and earnings for me to buy and hold.
none, roth ira. sweet is it not?
The same could be said for one who keep the dividends.
on the run up with WIN on the REIT issue. I still have not bought back yet, it has not come down to my lower trigger point. 8 dividends that is 2 years, plus that money is working for me elsewhere. Maybe you'll get a run up after this drop. But I chose to wait for a lower price.
Free cash flow.
What you need to look at, is FTR increasing Free Cash Flow and decreasing debt. I like to see PE rise and gain in market share.
david do you understand noiw? Making money is the key and to make money FTR has to gain market share.
Losing customers does not help. It seems that T is already losing subscribers in CT. Sure FTR will show a gain in subs when the deal is done and it will help obfuscate the numbers for the quarters after the deal is done. Then Maggie can talk about synergies ect.. Maybe even give away a tv or computer to get some teaser customers. Do you think the analysts will fall for that again. At least this time FTR got the loans on their own. These investment types don't loan to lose money, they hope people people will buy and hold or get driven out or buy on some news. Look how many people buy in before a dividend. You can find firms upgrading and down grading a stock at the same time. So do you figure you are ahead?
Were they not part of the team that just gave FTR the money for the T deal? Do you think the financial side of MS loans the money and the Morgan Stanley brokerage side tries to make money off the stock because of the debt FTR is taking on? I would like to know what their puts and calls were on FTR. It's only business.
Buy low sell high.
david, some like to trade FTR. I do. Some like to hold on for the dividend, some like to reinvest the dividend. FTR has swung all over the place. Some have made great money shorting the stock. Now if FTR was well run company gaining market share and not losing subs it may be worth holding. Look at the last run up it was nice on the REIT News. I got out at 7+, I have a buy back at a lower price. Hate the stock, no I don't think that is true it gives many a chance to play the stock. Remember gains are offset by inflation. Their is always a reason to buy or sell a stock. If that was not true you would not see such ups and downs in share price. Then you have to admit that having entry and exit points makes money. Although the swings have not been so great lately.
david, you just have to watch your Ameritrade account a little more closely.
Nobody likes to leave money on the table.
You would have been too late in July 2013, you would have lost even more. Your only down 85% with your shares compared to reinvesting back in to VZ on 2010. Even Sage knows, as he puts it, Maggie diluted the FTR stock. What do you think will happen on the T / FTR deal? I think you would have to admit that FTR has been quite lucky with the interest rates for the borrowing of money to fund their "deals". Do you think those low rates are going to continue? If FTR could not keep up with VZ during a time of exceptionally low borrowing costs, what makes you think they will now grow? Are you betting or the REIT play? So you think you made money, I guess you did. but you left 85% more of your current holdings pass you bye. Justine, could have used that money.
David if you had sold those Frontier shares quickly after receiving them this is what you would be holding today per share with dividends reinvested and your gains.
cost .........q..........today g/l g/w div Rtn Wdiv
VZ $27.90 1.00 $49.82 $21.92 $33.29 +119.31%
FTR $7.34 1.00 $6.79 ($0.55) $2.52 +34.35%
Does justine know about your finances?
I know that their is office space out there in those other states. Hey Maggie should even check out and see if she could get a tax free status in a state for moving Frontier operations, I'm sure many a "rural" state would make such an offer. Some of these other states that Frontier is in are better for employees for taxes and cost of living. Maggie could even use such a move to reduce headcount and cut costs.
You mean I should not have believed Maggie's value added deal? Does that mean that you think FTR will cut the dividend and have a price in the 4's after the T deal is done.
Synergies, value added, it seems like BS talk to me!
Oh, that's nice Sage, dilution. I guess the market looks at the debt the same way for FTR. right? Or maybe that explains the loss of subscribers, dilution.
Must be all those added DRIP Shares added, with the shares awarded to the CEO ect.
So your actually saying that the buy and hold guy has been screwed, since the VZ deal?