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c_rader 5 posts  |  Last Activity: Dec 8, 2014 7:41 AM Member since: Mar 25, 1998
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    Most evil company on the planet

    by chad121177 Nov 3, 2014 12:21 AM
    c_rader c_rader Dec 8, 2014 7:41 AM Flag

    ms, OK so now we know that you believe that "Monsanto and other companies including fertilizer companies refuse to let government agencies test their seeds" and, assuming this is true, that this makes you doubt their safety.

    We could uselessly go back and forth about how much testing is done, by whom, why, how much is enough, etc. But for purpose of argument, let's suppose that I concede your point in its most extreme - that nobody ever tests Monsanto's seeds at all. Even with that assumption, I think it is a wild overreach to say "poisoning your food". Seriously, if you were so angry with me as to want to poison me, would you choose to poison me with a GMO food? Wouldn't you choose, instead, a known poison like strychnine or arsenic? Wouldn't a word like "negligence" be more appropriate for describing Monsanto's alleged inadequate testing?

  • Reply to

    Most evil company on the planet

    by chad121177 Nov 3, 2014 12:21 AM
    c_rader c_rader Nov 27, 2014 8:53 AM Flag

    ms, first of all, even if you are correct that there is not enough testing, it's still a big and unwarranted jump to "poisoning". I'll give you an example. We know that there are tens of thousands of cases of food borne illnesses in the US due to E.coli contamination of meat. Some meat is inspected. The vast majority is not. I think this under-inspection of meat is very rightly criticized, but I have never seen it referred to as "poisoning our meat".

    Second, you say "they refuse to let them test their seeds". Not clear who "them" is. But there is now no restriction against anyone who wants to test any GMO food for safety, for yield, or for environmental effects. That has been a non-issue for many years and the false claim that companies restrict people from testing their seeds is only kept alive by the anti-GMO propaganda mill. And, getting people to believe that is a wonder, because the very same web pages are filled with stories of all the research by folks like Seralini, Carman and Ermakova which claim to show health problems.

    Finally, you say "they would never ever feed it to their own families." You state is as a fact, but it is not a fact - it is your supposition.

  • c_rader c_rader Nov 25, 2014 10:54 AM Flag

    md, You think McDonalds does not use GMO food, but it does, in large amounts. All those French Fried are fried in oil from GMO seeds. All those soft drinks are flavored with high fructose corn syrup. All those sauces have GMO sugar and colorings derived from GMO corn. And soon after the Siplot potatoes are actually made available, McDonald's will have to decide between paying more for potatoes or for higher profits.

  • c_rader c_rader Nov 23, 2014 8:38 PM Flag

    md, the GM trait is not distributing nutrients more evenly in a field. The GM trait worries you because you think a GMO plant can not extract as much nutrient from the soil as a non-GMO plant grown in the same soil. I won't convince you that you are either right or wrong. You have made it very clear that you cannot be convinced. But nobody is trying to claim that a GMO trait is changing the soil.

    But perhaps you might want to direct your concern not to getthefacts... but to the great hero of the anti-GMO movement, Seralini. He, in his famous rat tumor study, compared GMO corn with an isoline of non-GMO corn and he clearly and unambiguously says that these two diets differed in only one way, the GMO-ness of one diet.

  • Reply to

    Most evil company on the planet

    by chad121177 Nov 3, 2014 12:21 AM
    c_rader c_rader Nov 3, 2014 7:05 AM Flag

    chad, don't you think "poisoning your food" is exaggerated? We are talking, at worst, about not doing enough testing to assure everyone that some new crop is safe.

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