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  • cabogordon by cabogordon Aug 25, 2015 2:06 PM Flag

    Per the tape and volume on Friday and Monday it seems new buyers stepped in versus just short covering. I believe the low volume today supports this thesis. I personally initiated a position on Friday. As, I assume others did. I now await news about the limited controlled roll-out to substantiate merit of tests from physician groups and patients. Regarding the noise on insiders needing to buy more. This team has been compensated with shares and options as part of there compensation package. As, all bio start up teams off set the more modest salaries and risk by upside in ownership. So, why would they go spend their cash to by more shares ? they don´t need too. Regarding the roll-out it seems like it methodical and strategic to ultimately capture a big foot print in this 15bb market. I´m personally going to remain patient and excited to be involved with these guys. Per all my Due Diligence , I believe TROV could have a 2 handle on it in the 12 months. All the above is my very humble opinion. Blessings.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • I make investments based on market opportunity. Which led me to get involved here. Yet, as my posts highlight i use technical indicators to enter and exit. After, thinking through the different sides of this opportunity this weekend. I believe MGMT might be priming this for acquisition in the near term. I was led to this believe by their quasi undefined macro roll out strategy , including there lack of ramp up of sales reps. Thus, it leads me to consider they want to team up with a company that has an established and creditable sales infrastructure in place. Thereby; allowing them to add their product on someones menu. They have been kinda cagey about disclosing REV model and very adamant about data, data which also tells me they´re not focused on making money but focused on building the barriers to entry ( IP ) and getting proof of concept and willingness of adoption that all lends itself to getting the best deal possible. As, the matrix of valuation will not be based on current or historical sales but future sales. thus, it comes down to IP and Adoption. My gut tells me they are talking to potential buyers now .... All the above is my humble often naive opinion.

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    News Timeline?

    by kasrakia2002 Aug 26, 2015 5:06 PM
    cabogordon cabogordon Aug 26, 2015 5:36 PM Flag

    thanks for the post. I believe you´re spot on on all fronts. Our patience will be rewarded.

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    by cabogordon Aug 27, 2015 2:53 PM
    cabogordon cabogordon Aug 27, 2015 3:24 PM Flag

    They would cover using there shares acquired in the offering with a pre arranged deal with a amt.

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    by cabogordon Aug 31, 2015 12:27 PM
    cabogordon cabogordon Aug 31, 2015 6:52 PM Flag

    regarding the offering great question. My gut answer based on experience is that you can never count on a buy out even if its your end game or a viable exit. thus, you need to be prepared for a deal not going , secondly, a depleting war chest can weaken your leverage - stance in a protracted negotiation as the acquiring party can use it against you if when negotiating in good faith. The more i ponder a buy out the more makes it makes sense from a mass global roll out approach. potential candidates , usually suspects all have synergistic tie ins. whether it be relationships with doctors, sales teams, lab scalability and ins with the reimbursers.

  • cabogordon by cabogordon Sep 22, 2015 10:42 AM Flag

    hold on.

  • cabogordon by cabogordon Sep 17, 2015 4:04 PM Flag

    We could see 4 on friday. momo traders held on. Yahooooo


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    creamer said CANF is next AQXP to $50

    by bulltard Sep 17, 2015 3:45 PM
    cabogordon cabogordon Sep 17, 2015 3:49 PM Flag


  • cabogordon by cabogordon Sep 30, 2015 10:52 AM Flag

    In 2012, Charles Swanton was forced to confront one of cancer's dirtiest tricks. When he and his team at the Cancer Research UK London Research Institute sequenced DNA from a handful of kidney tumours, they expected to find a lot of different mutations, but the breadth of genetic diversity within even a single tumour shocked them. Cells from one end differed from those at the other and only one-third of the mutations were shared throughout the whole mass. Secondary tumours that had spread and taken root elsewhere in the patients' bodies were different again1.

    The results confirmed that the standard prognostic procedure for cancer, the tissue biopsy, is woefully inadequate — like trying to gauge a nation's behaviour by surveying a single street. A biopsy could miss mutations just centimetres away that might radically change a person's chances for survival. And although biopsies can provide data about specific mutations that might make a tumour vulnerable to targeted therapies, that information is static and bound to become inaccurate as the cancer evolves.

    Swanton and his team laid bare a diversity that seemed insurmountable. “I am still quite depressed about it, if I'm honest,” he says. “And if we had higher-resolution assays, the complexity would be far worse.”

    But researchers have found ways to get a richer view of a patient's cancer, and even track it over time. When cancer cells rupture and die, they release their contents, including circulating tumour DNA (ctDNA): genome fragments that float freely through the bloodstream. Debris from normal cells is normally mopped up and destroyed by 'cleaning cells' such as macrophages, but tumours are so large and their cells multiply so quickly that the cleaners cannot cope completely.

    By developing and refining techniques for measuring and sequencing tumour DNA in the bloodstream, scientists are turning vials of blood into 'liquid biopsies' — portraits of a cancer that are much more comprehensive than the keyhole peeps that conventional biopsies provide. Taken over time, such blood samples would show clinicians whether treatments are working and whether tumours are evolving resistance.

    As ever, there are caveats. Levels of ctDNA vary a lot from person to person and can be hard to detect, especially for small tumours in their early stages. And most studies so far have dealt with only handfuls or dozens of patients, with just a few types of cancer. Although the results are promising, they must be validated in larger studies before it will be clear whether ctDNA truly offers an accurate view — and, more importantly, whether it can save or improve lives. “Just monitoring your tumour isn't good enough,” says Luis Diaz, an oncologist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. “The challenge that we face is finding true utility.”

    If researchers can clear those hurdles, liquid biopsies could help clinicians to make better choices for treatment and to adjust those decisions as conditions change, says Victor Velculescu, a genetic oncologist at Johns Hopkins. Moreover, the work might provide new therapeutic targets. “It will help bring personalized medicine to reality,” says Velculescu. “It's a game-changer.”

    Delayed action

    Scientists first reported finding DNA circulating in human blood in 1948 (ref. 2), and specifically in the blood of people with cancer in 1977 (ref. 3). It took another 17 years to show that this DNA bore mutations that are hallmarks of cancer — proof that it originated from the tumours4, 5.

    The first practical use of circulating DNA came in another field. Dennis Lo, a chemical pathologist now at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, reasoned that if tumours could flood the blood with DNA, surely fetuses could, too. In 1997, he successfully showed that pregnant women carrying male babies had fetal Y chromosomes in their blood6. That discovery allowed doctors to check a baby's sex early in gestation without disturbing the fetus, and ultimately to screen for developmental disorders such as Down's syndrome without resorting to invasive testing. It has revolutionized the field of prenatal diagnostics (see Nature 507, 19; 2014).

    “Cancer has been slower to catch on,” says Nitzan Rosenfeld, a genomicist at the Cancer Research UK Cambridge Institute. This is partly because tumour DNA is much harder to detect than fetal DNA. There is typically less of it in the blood, and the amounts are extremely variable. In people with very advanced cancers, tumours might be the source of most of the circulating DNA in the blood, but more commonly, ctDNA makes up barely 1% of the total and possibly as little as 0.01%. Early sequencing technologies were not up to the task of detecting it — at least, not consistently or reliably enough to use ctDNA as a biomarker.

    “It'll help us answer questions in oncology That have never been answered before.”

    But the past decade has brought sensitive techniques that can detect and quantify minute amounts of DNA. For example, an amplification method known as BEAMing — which fastens circulating DNA to magnetic beads that can then be isolated and counted — can detect ctDNA even if it is outnumbered by healthy cell DNA by a factor of 10,000 to 1.

    Genetic oncologists Bert Vogelstein and Kenneth Kinzler at Johns Hopkins developed the technique, and in 2007 they described7 using it to track ctDNA in 18 people who were being treated for bowel cancer. After surgery, the patients' ctDNA levels fell by 99%, but in many cases the signal did not disappear completely. In all but one of the people with detectable ctDNA at the first follow-up appointment, the tumours eventually returned. None of the people with undetectable levels after surgery experienced a recurrence.

    These results suggested that ctDNA can reveal how well a patient has responded to surgery and whether they need chemotherapy to finish off any lingering cancer cells. Researchers soon found similar results for other types of cancer. Rosenfeld and his Cancer Research UK colleagues James Brenton and Carlos Caldas showed that ctDNA provides a precise portrait of advanced ovarian and breast cancers8. And in the largest study yet, Diaz and other members of the Johns Hopkins group detected ctDNA in at least 75% of patients with advanced tumours, in organs as diverse as the pancreas, bladder, skin, stomach, oesophagus, liver and head and neck9. (Brain cancers were a notable exception, because the blood–brain barrier stops tumour DNA from reaching the bloodstream.)

    Better biomarkers

    Circulating DNA might perform better than the protein biomarkers that researchers have been seeking and refining for decades. Proteins are used in the clinic to diagnose illnesses and monitor people undergoing treatment. For example, prostate-specific antigen is a biomarker for prostate cancer, but it can give false positives because there are other reasons that the antigen can be elevated in the blood. False positives should be rarer with ctDNA because it is defined by mutations and other genomic changes that are hallmarks of cancer cells. And although most protein biomarkers stay in the blood for weeks, ctDNA has a half-life of less than two hours, so it gives a clearer view of a tumour's present, rather than its past. The Cambridge and Johns Hopkins teams have found that ctDNA is more sensitive than protein biomarkers when it comes to detecting breast10 and bowel9 cancers, respectively, and it is more accurate at tracking tumour disappearance, spread and recurrence.

    Illustration by Oliver Munday

    Both teams also showed that ctDNA was more sensitive than circulating tumour cells — intact cancer cells that also travel around the bloodstream and have been an intense area of research. In a sub-study of 16 people, Diaz's team found that where both were present, ctDNA fragments outnumbered circulating tumour cells by 50 to 1 (ref. 9). And although ctDNA was always there if the circulating cells were, 13 people with detectable tumour DNA had no trace of such cells.

    But most exciting to scientists, says Diaz, is the ability to watch tumours evolve and adapt over time: “It'll help us answer questions in oncology that have never been answered before.”

    For example, why do so many targeted therapies eventually fail? Gefitinib and panitumumab are among several drugs that block the epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR), a protein involved in cell growth and division that is overactive in a number of cancers. People taking these drugs do very well — briefly. But after a few months, their cancers almost always develop resistance, often through changes to other genes, such as KRAS, which is mutated in many cancers.

    To monitor patients and decide on the next course of action, clinicians would normally need to take multiple biopsies. But people with advanced cancer often have several tumours to test, and different parts of any single tumour could be resistant in different ways. Biopsies are invasive and risky, and difficult for inaccessible and fragile organs such as the lungs. “You can't just go to the patient and get five more biopsies after the treatment fails,” says Velculescu. Taking blood is simple in comparison.

    In 2012, Diaz's team reported11 using ctDNA to study patients who were being treated with EGFR inhibitors. The researchers found 42 different KRAS mutations that confer resistance; on average, these turned up 5 months before imaging techniques showed that the tumours were progressing. The team was specifically looking for KRAS mutations, but Rosenfeld's group has used ctDNA to identify resistance mutations from a blind start. Last year, the researchers described how they had sequenced the complete exomes — the 1% of the genome that encodes protein — in blood samples from six people being treated for advanced breast, lung or ovarian cancers. In five cases, the unguided search revealed routes to resistance, such as mutations that prevent drugs from binding to their target proteins12.

    Spotting resistance early would let clinicians take patients off toxic and expensive drugs that are unlikely to keep working. And by identifying the mutations that underlie the resistance, they could find effective alternatives or drug combinations. “The hope is that we can turn cancer from a deadly disease into a chronic one,” says Velculescu. “You treat someone with one therapy and when it stops working, you switch, or alternate back and forth.”

    Clinical caveats

    Despite its promise, ctDNA is not yet ready for a starring role in the clinic. For one thing, the most sensitive techniques for detecting it, such as BEAMing, rely on some knowledge of which mutations to look for. This knowledge can be provided by taking a biopsy, sequencing its mutations, designing patient-specific molecular probes that target them, and using those probes to analyse later blood samples — a laborious approach that must be repeated for each patient. The alternative is to use exome sequencing, as Rosenfeld's team did. This requires no previous knowledge about the cancer, but it is prohibitively expensive to sequence and analyse every sample at the depth required to detect rare mutant fragments.

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    Maximilian Diehn, a radiation oncologist at Stanford University in California, has tried to combine the best of both worlds. His team identified a small proportion of the genome — just 0.004% — that is repeatedly mutated in lung cancers13. Whenever the researchers get a new blood sample, they sequence this fraction 10,000 times over. This picks up even rare mutant fragments, and the focused approach keeps costs down. Because almost everyone with lung cancer has at least one mutation in these regions, the method should work in almost every patient, says Diehn. The team is now working to develop similar mutation panels for other types of cancer, and to validate the technique in clinical trials — work that could take several years.

    Like practically all ctDNA biopsy techniques, Diehn's approach does not do well at picking up early forms of cancer. In a small study13, it detected every lung cancer of stage II or higher, but only half of stage I tumours. This is understandable — advanced cancers simply discharge more DNA — but it limits ctDNA's potential as a cancer-screening tool.

    Diehn says that more-sensitive techniques could overcome this problem, but Diaz disagrees. “The limiting factor is biology,” he says. “There just aren't a lot of fragments in circulation.” And if ctDNA hints at the presence of an undetected cancer, what then? “If you detect a mutation in the circulation, you don't know where it's coming from,” says Diaz.

    There are other unknowns, too. Does ctDNA paint a truly representative portrait of a cancer? Do tumours that have spread to other organs release as much DNA as the original tumours? Do all the cells in a tumour release as much ctDNA as each other? Diaz says that the only way to answer these questions is to do 'warm autopsies' — to take samples and characterize all of a person's tumours very soon after death, and compare them with ctDNA extracted in life. “This is the heavy lifting that'll need to be done in the field,” he says.

    And the biggest question remains: does an accurate picture of tumour burden, or a real-time look at emerging mutations, actually save patients or improve their quality of life? Even if doctors discover that someone's tumour has developed a resistance mutation, that insight is useless if there are no drugs that target the mutation. “The limitation is the reality of targeted therapies,” says Velculescu. “You get all this information — but so what? Our approaches to understanding cancer are outstripping our clinical options.”

    Even if ctDNA does not yet affect outcomes, scientists say that it is an invaluable research tool, and clinicians are starting to collect it routinely. Swanton, for example, is leading a £14-million (US$24-million) lung-cancer study called TRACERx (Tracking Cancer Evolution Through Therapy), which will use both conventional biopsies and ctDNA collected once every three months. The circulating DNA may or may not provide clues that help the study participants, but at the very least, it will give Swanton a much better understanding of how lung cancer evolves, and how to control that evolution.

    As Rosenfeld argues, it is better to have this information than not to. Currently, he says, “we're groping in the dark. Why would you do that if you have a tool that allows you to see what's happening?”

  • cabogordon by cabogordon Sep 29, 2015 10:29 AM Flag

    You will know when they cover as the V will be 5 x normal.

    Yet, believe the short position is what we call OUTSIDE THE BOX shorting by hedge finds heavly weighted
    in TROV via offerings.

    They keep the short open as a hedge regardless of price action. Its usually a fixed % against open long position. The Baker brothers due this in al their position , including runners like SGEN AND ACAD.

    in the last couple days you seen how a outside the box position helps !!!

    thus, if I'm right there will always be a open short position in TROV forever.

  • cabogordon cabogordon Oct 6, 2015 11:37 AM Flag

    HI Wealth, You could be right. very impressed with their traction getting insurance companies. be nice to see blue cross drop for them. hoping TROV gets the same reception. good luck with BIOC. I think you will do well.

  • cabogordon by cabogordon Oct 8, 2015 11:33 AM Flag

    It would be nice to be de-coupled from drugs sub sector yet its a macro sector flush. Its crazy to see ACAD and VSAR and other de-risked situations be hammered. This is when you buy as all the contrarian alarms are going off. You now the Baker Brothers and other generals are adding for a massive run in the mid term future. Anyway, needed to rant. Back to my 1 min charts scalping to pay the bills. Have a blessed gentleman

    Q: Why did God create stock analysts?
    A: In order to make weather forecasters look good.

  • cabogordon by cabogordon Aug 18, 2015 12:09 PM Flag

    restructuring eminent . new owners will restructure dept as they will not be able to walk away from it as there are asset liens on intellectual property or future cash flows. writ of attachment. nevertheless, this is toxic now. liquidate and move to sidelines. my HUMBLE 2 CENTS

  • go to trovagene.dotcom and view it.
    very impressive

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    by cabogordon Aug 27, 2015 2:53 PM
    cabogordon cabogordon Aug 28, 2015 9:42 AM Flag

    watching the tape. waiting for the whack. yet,early volume is high. new buyers or short covering fake melt up to walk it down ... interesting case study here.

  • cabogordon by cabogordon Aug 27, 2015 5:43 PM Flag

    Upon listening to CC last night again: I tuned out enthusiasm and was surprised at the dodging of questions. Such as the number of groups or doc signed up in pre commercial roll-out as they only would state it was oversubscribed by 500% . the same type of slippery elusiveness was highlighted about the number of reps planned or how they would ramp up roll-out and any type of rev or break-even model based on testing. the CC left me with more questions then answers. it was like a roadshow that served only appetizers. i¨m just thinking out loud in my humble and often ill informed process.

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    by pepsiberger Aug 26, 2015 8:55 PM
    cabogordon cabogordon Aug 26, 2015 10:57 PM Flag

    Jrdelane. I was about to post my take on technicals. The daily chart is showing the MACDwith a touch of positive divergence as the RSI is in oversold territory. NIce little reverse hammer showed as well. albeit on the late surge. Stoch look curled up and ready to turn. I believe we see 6 plus by next week.

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    hungry for more info

    by cabogordon Aug 27, 2015 5:43 PM
    cabogordon cabogordon Aug 27, 2015 5:50 PM Flag

    the other big question is the time to get approved for reimbursements as this will greatly stymie the commercial roll-out. patients will be less likely to use this disruptive and potentially out performing platform if they have to pay for it. just leads me to believe we have a long way to go before this model is bringing in meaningful revenue. dont get me wrong love the story but alot of patience is going to be required perhaps more then i wanted to admit.

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    hungry for more info

    by cabogordon Aug 27, 2015 5:43 PM
    cabogordon cabogordon Aug 28, 2015 9:15 AM Flag

    my point was simply they need the reimbursement contracts in place prior to mass rollout. which could take a lot more time then anticipated as it layered with bureaucracies. I've been there as a CEO of a health care start up. it was brutal.

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