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carsonogenik 12711 posts  |  Last Activity: Oct 10, 2014 12:55 AM Member since: Dec 30, 2001
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  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 10, 2014 12:55 AM Flag

    "Seems to me that you now owe the board 24 Obama lies."

    I meant 34.

    Here's a good one: Fox News' repeated lies that Obama is not a US citizen and also is a secret agent of Islam. And also meaningfully affiliated with the Black Panthers and Bill Ayers.

    Now you owe me me 54 (or possibly 69) separate and discretely independent examples of Obama's lies.

    Get to it.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 10, 2014 12:24 AM Flag

    80% of the country believes Obama lies

    Good for them.

    I am not disputing that Obama is a liar; I merely reject the notion that he lies more than Fox News.

    Again, what happened to your "for every one Fox News lie, I will post 5 from the pothead?"

    Here's a classic: Brit Hume
    On August 26, 2003 Brit Hume said on Fox News:
    “Two hundred seventy-seven U.S. soldiers have now died in Iraq, which means that statistically speaking U.S. soldiers have less of a chance of dying from all causes in Iraq than citizens have of being murdered in California, which is roughly the same geographical size. The most recent statistics indicate California has more than 2300 homicides each year, which means about 6.6 murders each day. Meanwhile, U.S. troops have been in Iraq for 160 days, which means they’re incurring about 1.7 deaths, including illness and accidents each day.”

    Right. "1.7 deaths/day, Including illness and accidents each day"
    This doesn't even rise to the level of lie.. As Howard Kurtz responded next day in the Washington Post, “California has 34 million people, but there are 145,000 U.S. soldiers in Iraq.”

    Statistics are dimensionless numbers. The notion of context is entirely irrelevant to Republicans.

    Seems to me that you now owe the board 24 Obama lies.

  • Reply to

    Look what SCOTUS did in Wisconsin

    by pilodialcyst Oct 9, 2014 10:23 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 9, 2014 11:36 PM Flag

    From the file marked 'duh'

    That’s why Republicans are moving the heavens and earth to try to pass and enforce voter id laws. Their base is shrinking and dying off, so they are trying to keep the blahs and other minorities from voting.

    Make no mistake: Republicans despise democracy and the very notion of egalitarian society sends them to screaming polemics about socialism, at which point they become leg-humping free market fundamentalists: where roughly half align with Ayn Rand while conveniently ignoring her hatred of religion, while the other half conveniently ignores the Biblical scripture as clearly defining Jesus not just as a socialist, but an anti-capitalist.

    All four canonical new testament gospels invokes Jesus' opposition to money as a means (in each case, Jesus and his disciples travel to Jerusalem for Passover, where he expels the money changers from the Temple, accusing them of turning the Temple into a den of thieves through their commercial activities).
    I'm no biblical scholar, but such might provide the genesis behind the idea of separation between church and state.
    The oldest civilizations for which there are coherent written records (Sumerians and ancient Egypt) describe the rulers as being god-kings and their subordinate priests as economic advisers. Another way to say this is that the oldest civilizations (6,000 years ago) were functional theocracies.

    6,000 years later:
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 9, 2014 10:31 PM Flag

    cpwrguy_99: A brief history

    (9 hours ago)
    "Put up or shut up 5 for 1 is easy for me, since the Pothead NEVER tells the truth! NOW POSTEM"

    (4 hours ago)
    "There is a website with 52 OBAMA lies at last count, so post 10 lies and I will give you the website with his lies, easy for me!!"

    (1 hour 14 mins ago)
    "Ok, I will give you the website with just 10, there ate some with up to 800
    Google 'Barack Obama's 10 most Outrageous lies'!!
    That will give you 10 of his most prominent lies, he has many more, one more just came to light today
    Relating to the secret service prostitution scandal prior to the 2012 election, and the potheads
    Coverup reported by the WP"

    I don't think I will ever stop laughing at you.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 9, 2014 9:59 PM Flag

    Soooo...your challenge said you would give 5 for every 1, right?

    Did I not just point out two case examples demonstrating thousands of Fox News lies?? Are those examples worth thousands or just two? Best case scenario is that you owe 10.

    "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance"
    Obviously a lie, not a mistake. 1 point to you. For those keeping score, you now owe me 9.

    "every a family will save $2500.00 per year!"
    'Every family' is a difficult metric to assess. That said, national figures assess the amount saved due to Obamacare is approx $87 million. It would be more, but various of red states refuse to accept the requisite and implicit Medicaid expansion for PPACA to function properly. I would normally call this a tie and chalk it up to poorly understood econometrics, but since you are acting as a de facto defender of Fox News, which has repeatedly lied about the evils of Obamacare at every opportunity, you now owe me 14 Obama lies.

    And if you want a more specific example, how about Sean Hannity offering to get himself waterboarded for charity? Several charities jumped on that, but of course Hannity refused to pony up. Obviously Hannity is a lying coward, so now you owe 19.

    Get to it. And be quick about it lest I post more specific examples of Fox News lies.

    Oops. too late:

    Mar 18, 2003
    Bill O'Reilly declares on Good Morning America: "And I said on my program, if -- if -- the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again."

    Jul 9, 2003
    On The O'Reilly Factor, Bill O'Reilly declares: "If Bush lied -- if he lied -- I'll be the first one to hang him, OK?"

    Now you owe me 29 examples of Obama lying. This is fun!

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 9, 2014 8:43 PM Flag

    Since the "advance man" you mention was not part of the Secret Service, I fail to see your catastrophic fail of a point.

    (Washington Post) "Dach’s role in Cartagena was far different from that of Secret Service agents who were responsible for the president’s safety. He was a volunteer who helped coordinate drivers for the White House travel office. He was paid a per diem, not a salary, and was reimbursed for expenses.

    "Dach and his fellow volunteers underwent background checks, according to a former administration official. That person said that on trips, team members are familiar with the president’s general itinerary in advance of his arrival but not the most sensitive information about his movements."

    Read: volunteer. Of course, if Dach tried to expense out his (alleged) quality time with a #$%$ in Colombia, that would not be good. Unethical even.

    Even worse:
    "Dach’s father, Leslie Dach, is a prominent Democratic donor who gave $23,900 to the party in 2008 to help elect Obama. In his previous job as a top lobbyist for Wal-Mart, he partnered with the White House on high-profile projects, including Michelle Obama’s “Let’s Move!” campaign."

    I can see the Drudge headlines now.

    That said, both Dash and his father are about as low-level as you can get in the ongoing saga of political nepotism. That they would even merit a cover-up is ludicrous.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 9, 2014 8:13 PM Flag

    I am somewhat (but all that much) confused as to why you are pitting Fox News against President Blakula HUSSEIN of Islam. This seems seems like an apple v orange comparison; why aren't you comparing Fox News to MSNBC? Or better yet, Dumbya's lies v Obama?

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 9, 2014 8:05 PM Flag

    "Far more children died last year drowning in their bathtubs than were killed accidentally by guns."
    — Tucker Carlson on Saturday, August 9th, 2014 in a broadcast of "Fox and Friends Weekend."

    a) 2013 figures of children who drowned in bathtubs v accidentally killed by guns are unavailable.
    b) 2011 -the most recent year for which we have available data- shows that 95 children (below 18 yrs) died in bathtubs and 102 were accidentally killed by guns.
    Fox News lies.

    "The last time there was a sustained surge of confidence in government's competence was under Ronald Reagan."
    --George Will, whitesplaining poll numbers to Juan Williams on Fox News Sunday, Oct 5 2014.

    "Trust in government fluctuated during both the Reagan and Clinton presidencies, but under Reagan, trust rose by 11 percentage points -- from 33 percent to 44 percent. In the Clinton years, trust rose over 20 percentage points -- from 21 percent to 44 percent, according to data from American National Election Studies."

    "As for Will’s use of the word "surge," gains in trust were steeper during Clinton’s two terms, but he started from a much lower point than Reagan."
    Fox News lies.

    We can stop here so that you can post 10 Obama lies.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 9, 2014 7:32 PM Flag

    Well, I guess when they say things like "Today is Thursday, October 9" they are telling the truth.

    I would never assume "Today is Thursday, October 9" to be true if my only source was Faux News.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 9, 2014 7:25 PM Flag

    You really want to go there? OK.

    Provided are some broad examples, which should give you an idea of the scope of Fox News lies.

    1) Fox News' assertions to be FAIR and BALANCED.
    LIE. A few years ago, Jon Stewart was interviewed by Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, during which the subject of network ideological bias was raised by Stewart. Wallace responded by claiming that Fox News functions as a "counterweight" to MSNBC, telling "the other side of the story." Not to be Captain Obvious, but the conclusion that every instance (of which there are hundreds if not thousands) of Fox News calling itself 'Fair and Balanced' is a flat out lie is inescapable.

    2) Fox News' Bill O'Reilly's 'No Spin Zone' segment of 'O'Reilly Factor.'
    LIE. Amusingly, this is probably the most imbalanced segment of O'Reilly's show: in which the host essentially frames every single issue du jour around conservative, specifically Republican, talking points. Taking into account the number of days this segment has been running since inception, we are again talking about literally thousands of lies. File it under fraud or false advertising.

    Above, I mention only two cases of network's anchors being representative of Fox News programming itself. That said, there are dozens of studies which have reached the same conclusion.

    (July 10, 2014) Fact-Checking Site Finds Fox News Only Tells the Truth 18 Percent of the Time

    "Pundifact found Fox News to have only told the truth 18 percent (15 of 83) of the time for the statements they checked. And even of that 18 percent, only 8 percent of what they said was completely “True.” The other 10 percent was rated as “Mostly True.” A staggering 60 percent (50 of 83) comments were found to be either “Mostly False,” “False,” or “Pants on Fire.” The other 22 percent were rated “Half True.” Essentially well over half of what Punditfact has fact-checked on Fox News has been a lie and only 18 percent has been deemed factual."

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 8, 2014 1:24 AM Flag

    [Breaking Bad] Walter White used a car wash to launder his meth money.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 8, 2014 1:20 AM Flag

    FOX News Bill O'Reilly interviewed Leon Panetti tonight for a 40 minute segment on the Obama Presidency!
    To make a long story short, Panetti, said Obama has lost his way, and Panetti is concerned for the country!

    OK. First of all, the name is both spelled and pronounced 'Panetta.'

    Second of all, Republicans have zero credibility on foreign policy. Nada. Zilch. From Nixon/Kissinger's war crimes thru Reagan's Iran-Contra scam, and Bush's obviously corrupt, criminal and stupid foreign policy (the illegal and expensive invasion of Iraq thru cheerleading "Mission Accomplished" and Saddam Hussein's capture; corrupting the entire 9/11 Commission, Sec of Def Rumsfeld and VP Cheney stovepiping intel data) describes complete and utter fail of foreign policy.

    The fact that Team Dumbya originally asked HENRY KISSINGER to chair the 9/11 Commission should tell you all need to know....but of course there's more:

    Third, Paul Bremer. "Bremer retired from the Foreign Service in 1989 and became managing director at Kissinger and Associates, a worldwide consulting firm founded by Henry Kissinger." This is the guy Bush tapped to head restructuring Iraq.

    There's more, much more to be said on the topic of Republican/rightwing incompetence and malfeasance, but I'm exhausted.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 7, 2014 9:01 PM Flag

    WHAT, you mean \there is NO Global Warming, er, Climate Change the loony libs call it now?????

    The only individual to actually advocate changing the term from 'global warming' to 'climate change' is Republican political strategist Frank Luntz, in a controversial memo advising conservative politicians on communicating about the environment:

    "It’s time for us to start talking about “climate change” instead of global warming and “conservation” instead of preservation.

    "'Climate change' is less frightening than 'global warming'. As one focus group participant noted, climate change “sounds like you’re going from Pittsburgh to Fort Lauderdale. While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge."

    Luntz is basically the right-wing establishment's go-to guy for messaging. Michael Smerconish, in a blog for the Daily Beast, said of Luntz,
    "Luntz is the wordsmith who coined the term "death tax" to replace the vague notion of an estate tax. .... And he's the man who once advised the Bush administration to emphasize the "lack of scientific certainty" in the global warming debate."

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 7, 2014 8:46 PM Flag


    There is no such thing as "SETTLED SCIENCE;" the term itself is meaningless.

    The scientific method isn't perfect (nobody has ever claimed otherwise), but it does provide the best basis for understanding the physical world.
    1) Observation
    2) Hypothesis
    3) Test
    4) Conclusion

    Light, mass, gravity, electricity, chemistry, biology, global warming, etc: I suppose the entire corpus of physics can be reduced to "theories." But the basic point here is that science itself requires TESTABILITY - there is no scripture to follow that results in "the truth." Indeed, the entire point of the scientific method is to remove human bias. IMO this is why so much of the increasingly insane right wing denounces education itself.

    (Note: while I do believe an "objectively true" reality exists, I do not believe the nature of that reality can be directly perceived. But it can be directly measured and inferred. We are limited creatures with limited tools. For example: the 'solid' keyboard on which I type these words is mostly empty space, where the illusion of solidity is provided via the product of electrical fields repelling each other.)

    Addressing the fact that matter is mostly empty space: if you really squeeze matter you’ll find that the electrical forces can no longer hold atoms apart. Basically, they find that it’s easier for the electrons and protons to fuse together and form neutrons. Once all the charges are out of the way the atoms (now balls of neutrons) are free to collapse together. At that point the only thing holding them apart is “Pauli pressure”, which is fancy quantum physics speak for “they can’t be in the same place”.

    The only time this happens in nature is in neutron stars. To get an idea for what happens when you “deflate” matter: If you were to crush a 50m Olympic size swimming pool into neutron star material, it would be about 0.05mm long, which is about the width of a single hair. Google "gegenerate matter."

  • (RightWingWatch) Now that his money laundering conviction has been overturned on appeal, former House GOP Leader Tom DeLay is considering another run for political office. But first he has to sue the district attorney’s office that brought the charges against him, DeLay explained to WorldNetDaily today. DeLay, who since resigning his seat in Congress has emerged as a vocal Religious Right activist, told the far-right outlet that he’s “coming back to Washington” in order to expose President Obama as “a radical Marxist with a worldview that makes him happy with the chaos that’s going on.”

    He claimed that Republicans haven’t been tough enough on Democrats who “want to destroy you and your family” and “want to bankrupt you and put you in a coffin so they can dance on your grave.”

    “The worldview of the left that has destroyed America is what we should be fighting,” he said. “The radical culture of the left is why 60 million babies have been killed in the United States since Roe v. Wade. Yet, the Republican response is to say, ‘Well, I want the Keystone Pipeline.’”

    So then: Delay is “coming back to Washington” in order to expose President Obama as “a radical Marxist with a worldview that makes him happy with the chaos that’s going on.”

    Unlike most people, I can simultaneously laugh, cry, and throw up.

  • Reply to

    A Sad Day for Journalism

    by carsonogenik Oct 3, 2014 8:10 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 3, 2014 10:24 PM Flag

    Your opinion of course, anyone with half a brain knows he was a loony lib

    Half a brain is better than none!

    "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
    -Albert Einstein

  • Just kidding. c2h5oh_11358 is a porn-addicted Reaganite.

    That said, he's not a tremendously deluded bigot, and insofar as I can ascertain, not a huge liar.

    Glad to see you were finally let out of your cage, ethel.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 3, 2014 10:11 PM Flag

    It's even lower than that. U6 was 14.2% when Bush left office; now it's 11.8%.

    Cumgobbler was off by nearly 100% (and of course he wasn't yelling about U6 when Bush was president).

    I recall getting into a fight on this board over BLS "official" unemployment and "actual" unemployment figures approx 8 years ago, and was called a Marxist labor-sucking ideologue for it. Eventually I went with the U3 figure...mostly because its a pedantic and highly semantic discussion. That said:

    "U1:Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
    U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
    U3: Official unemployment rate per the ILO definition occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks.
    U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
    U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
    U6: U5 + Part-time workers who want to work full-time, but cannot due to economic reasons (underemployment)."

    Senile lying NewsMax refugee is useless except maybe as a case study in why Rush Limbaugh's balzac is basted in the spit of morons.

  • carsonogenik by carsonogenik Oct 3, 2014 8:10 PM Flag

    It’s Been a Good Run…
    September 29, 2014

    The third and final year of Moyers & Company comes to an end on January 2 and I am writing to assure you that this time it’s the real deal. You may recall that we had originally raised the funds in 2011 for a two-year series but when I announced last fall that the end was near, thousands of you wrote imploring us to reconsider. My long-time funders came forward with a renewed commitment to a third year of support. How could I say no?

    But as the end of the third year approaches it’s time finally to sign off.

    I do so as the luckiest fellow in broadcast journalism for having been a part of public television for over half of my 80 years. I never expected such a full and satisfying run at work I could love so much, and I am deeply indebted to everyone with whom I have been associated on this long and rewarding journey.

    Bill Moyers' retirement amounts to nothing less a massive loss for journalism. I'd imagined he was approaching 90, but in fact he is only 80.

    "Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one."
    -Marcus Aurelius

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Oct 3, 2014 7:17 PM Flag

    Oh ethel....como te extrano.

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