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carsonogenik 81 posts  |  Last Activity: Feb 3, 2016 3:27 AM Member since: Dec 30, 2001
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  • Reply to

    Bernie will win the nomination

    by pilodialcyst Feb 2, 2016 12:30 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Feb 3, 2016 3:27 AM Flag

    Clinton won Iowa, but the delegates are evenly split between Clinton and Sanders.
    Final tally:
    Clinton: 49.86%
    Sanders: 49.57%

  • Reply to

    FBI ready to move for Hillary indictment

    by obamabaad Jan 28, 2016 2:42 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 30, 2016 6:28 AM Flag

    If you had even a basic concern for ethics, law, or moral values you would be lobbying the DOJ to prosecute the Bush43 regime and its cabinet for war crimes. You would also be arguing that Wall St needs to be slapped down in every possible way (more govt regulations, more oversight, and much stronger penalties).

    But no. Invoking Slick Willy and Vince Foster indicates you don't care about any of that. You and creeps like you are like inmates who have become so institutionalized that life beyond your narrow visions is more frightening than death. Invoking Plato's cave metaphor seems appropriate at this point...but I seriously doubt any one of you right wing nutsacs ever availed yourselves the benefits of a liberal arts education.

    What is wrong with US right wing crackpots in 2016? Pretty much everything that was wrong with Germany's right wing crackpots in 1922...

    The GOP is fractured because modern conservativism itself lacks a coherent intellectual, moral, or economic to justify itself. Indeed, I don't believe the word 'conservative' can be accurately applied to anyone not named Eisenhower, Kennedy, Clinton, Obama (with some vague exceptions to social policy, Obama and both Clintons have always maintained a very status quo position). Today, St Reagan would be way left of, say, John Kasich.

    Republicans/Fox News spent the better part of the last three decades fetishizing capital/capitalism and tough-guy rhetoric...Trump wins.

    A Clinton v Trump matchup will be, I think, much closer than hopeful liberals imagine. Although Clinton will pound Trump down in any debate (she's far smarter, more knowledgable, and tougher than Trump), she has a serious likebility issue among lefties like me who will vote Sanders in the primaries but likely Clinton in the general. Clinton waaay right to Obama: far more militant/intervention foreign policy...especially wrt Iran.

    Also...IMO, HRC appears be hideously corrupt on many levels. Beyond what polticics requires.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 26, 2016 2:16 AM Flag

    get a clue

  • Reply to

    Obama takes his shots

    by beewok Jan 12, 2016 9:43 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 14, 2016 2:06 AM Flag

    The truth is, both sides cater to masters who have the politicians addicted to their money.

    Please don't play that 'both sides do it' game.

    Trump is an insane, exclusive, fascistic billionaire who denounces government bureacracy at every turn. He has made his not needing any PAC money a signature point of his campaign.
    Everyone else in the GOP clown car has been pimping large and hard for donor money. That said, Cruz has the best ground game positioned to win the IA and NH primaries.

    Clinton is notoriously corrupt and definitely addicted to institutional money. On paper she is more than qualified to be the next POTUS...but I think her silly lies about emails may ultimately catch up with her.

    (note: if Hilary Clinton wins the Dem nomination, I will vote for her in the general election: hopefully upon becoming POTUS she will nominate several lefty liberals as needed for SCOTUS)

    On the other hand, Sanders is the only, again the ONLY candidate who can boast a consistent net positive rating among all candidates (both Dem and Rep). He definitely fumbled the #blacklivesmatter issue initially, but then again his constant and contiguous message is focused on reducing economic inequality among all classes.

    That said, from a campaign view, Sanders and/or his campaign manager need to work on crafting a more inclusive message to focus on blacks, hispanics, women and poor people. I'm not being cynical because I don't believe Bernie's basic msg of economic inequality in the US is wrong (to get more votes) ; rather, I honestly believe Bernie Sanders and his N/E European version of democratic socialism can rebuild the US back to its 1950s height.
    Eisenhower: the last Republican worthy of POTUS. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush1, Bush2 are all lunatics and war criminals.

    Bernie/Clinton 2016!

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 14, 2016 12:39 AM Flag

    Beewok may or may not be an official MENSA member but he seems smarter than me (my last officially measured IQ score=151; also I am actually a former MENSA member).

    Twenty or thirty higher IQ points than you isn't exactly a challenge:
    Re: statisticbrain[dot]com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average-iq/
    6/1/2015: US=98

    "If you really are 30 to 40 points [sic] higher in IQ than me ... maybe you could assist in helping me solve a couple theories of mine."

    Right. See above as an example of why I never trust you.

    "My theory is that if there is a complete absence of consciousness nothing exists. What relevance would anything have under this existence? if there were nothing with conscious ability present ... anything physical simply wouldn't exist."

    In which Contrarian paraphrases Heidegger from 1927 ' Being and Time' but calls it "my theory."

    "Next would be explaining the big bang theory where we are to believe a mass no larger than the size a billion times smaller than the most pointed pinhead ... blew up and had the mass to create our entire universe."

    In which you confuse size with mass. Eyelem size was infinitely smaller than any pinhead (or perhaps infinitely larger, just to blow your so-called mind) as there is no way to measure spacetime prior to the Big Bang.
    Current best guesstimates is that the universe is at 13.8 billion years old.

    "It's kind of difficult for me to understand the loons on this board criticizing religious believers for their faith, while adversaries are delivering this explanation as proof they're nut job extremists. You're kidding me? lol"

    I have zero problem criticizing the faithful who justify violence or the threat of violence by citing religion to make a political point: that holds for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Animists*, Taoists, Buddhists**, Hindus, etc.

    *including Druids for their combat spell proficiency
    **excluding Zen Buddhists

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 9, 2016 9:39 PM Flag

    "Trump is only a few percent behind Hillary in the polls. She does have some good ammunition for her ads, though."

    If Trump (or Cruz) actually wins the nomination, I will be personally embarrassed as an American. But I'll buy into popcorn and booze futures.

    "However, if the economy goes bad people can panic and turn towards Trump--what happened in Germany in around 1932, but on a much more minor scale. It actually is not at all impossible for a Republican to win."

    Trump is no H!tler; there are some similiarities, but the Donald isn't particularly notable: the only real difference between Trump and the GOP clown car is that Trump does not cloak his crazy right wing fascist rhetoric. Plus, Adolf* was not a stupid reality TV show.

    (aside: Trump's speeches are geared for semi-literate 10 yr olds. That his content-free campaign declarations resonate with far right crazies - 34% nationwide - says more about the conservative electorate than Trump)

    The chance of a Republican winning POTUS is not impossible. Just like the probability of my ticket winning the $900 million Powerball lottery is not impossible (p 0). Can't win if you don't play!

    卐 (tilted 45 degrees) is usually viewed as an iconic representation of Der Führer's lunatic brand of national "socialism." Which is a shame - both 卍 and 卐 are Sanskrit characters denoting health and well-being; beyond that, both represent thousands years old iterations of compass points.

  • Reply to

    Obama and that *&^%$ economy

    by pilodialcyst Jan 8, 2016 1:39 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 9, 2016 8:30 PM Flag

    As I have said numerous times, I have bought and held MO since 1978. I worked for one of PM's companies and we were given MO as part of our "profit sharing" (401K).

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

    Explain to me why your sentiment is Strong Sell instead of, say, Hold.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 9, 2016 3:45 PM Flag

    The Republicans that tried for the 68th time to repeal Obamacare were really trying to help insurance companies. The bill would eliminate the requirement that adult Americans carry insurance, while still requiring insurers to offer policies to everyone regardless of how healthy they might be, and without charging higher premiums to people who've been sick.

    Actually the PPACA (Obamacare) is a gift to health insurance companies: it essentially describes subsidized health care mandating some degree of health insurance coverage. Republicans don't like it because (a) Obama and (b) they want all poor people to die off...for electoral reasons.

    Related via HuffPo:
    "WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama notified Congress on Friday that he has vetoed their legislation to repeal huge parts of the Affordable Care Act, because of course he did."

    "Republicans celebrated this week after finally managing to push a repeal bill through the House and Senate for the first time, reveling in their impending failure to actually achieve anything. Obama just officially ended the party."

    Zzzz...File this under 'Congressional Republicans define government waste, chapter eleventeen billion.'

  • Reply to

    Obama and that *&^%$ economy

    by pilodialcyst Jan 8, 2016 1:39 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 9, 2016 3:01 PM Flag

    WASHINGTON (AP) — American employers added a strong 292,000 jobs in December, suggesting that the U.S. economy is so far defying global trends and growing at a solid pace.
    The Labor Department says the unemployment rate remained 5 percent for a third straight month. More Americans started looking for work, and most found jobs.
    The government also said employers added a combined 50,000 more jobs in October and November than it had previously estimated. Hiring averaged 284,000 a month in the fourth quarter, the best three-month pace in a year.

    Net job gain (private sector only) via BLS

    Obama (1/2009 - 12/2015): +9.52M
    Bush2: -0.46M
    Clinton: +20.96M
    Bush1: +1.51M
    Reagan: +14.72M
    Carter: +9.04M
    Ford (8/1974 - 1/1977): +1.35M
    Nixon (1/1968 - 8/1974): +9.28M

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 9, 2016 2:11 PM Flag

    Impeach obama

    Hop to it, garlands of fail


    tick tock

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 2, 2016 2:19 AM Flag

    A group of 123 Democrats in the House of Representatives is planning to rewrite the Second Amendment by redefining “assault weapons” as basically anything semi-automatic with a high capacity magazine or has the ability to have harmless accessories.

    Harmless accessories? Really??
    The bill in question (H. R. 4269) including assault weapons mentions not only the always-popular AR15 and AK47 rifles but also full auto Uzis and the T1B50D (the latest version tommy gun featuring a full mag of 50x .45) plus semi-auto shotguns, night vision telescopes, laser sighting, silencers, and grenade launchers.

    The Second Amendment "right" to bear arms means nothing without regulation.

    PS - al.gore22 was *VERY* wrong to suggest assassinating NRA-friendly conservatives as a solution to the US gun problem. All that needs be done is a few months of waterboarding the principals* plus several "accidental" drone strikes...somewhere in the vicinity of *cough* 11250 Waples Mill Rd. Fairfax, VA 22030 *cough*

    *Give me two days with Wayne LaPierre and one (1) gallon of water in a room with no windows. Too early for Chistmas 2016?

  • Reply to

    Dear Obama-Haters:

    by pilodialcyst Jan 1, 2016 12:55 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 1, 2016 11:41 PM Flag

    Make no mistake: all this Obama-hatred will be transferred to Clinton. Not only that, but the hatred will be amplified to some nth degree: the bitter, frustrated, resentful wingnut Fox News rage that will be focused on Hillary Clinton will make the right wing resentment of Obama seem like a hippie love festival.

  • Reply to

    Now iIt's "abuela" CLINTON?!?

    by budman_77_2000 Dec 24, 2015 4:53 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Dec 26, 2015 11:10 PM Flag

    I'll vote for Hillary.

    I'll be voting Sanders in the state primary, but if/when Hillary Clinton wins, I will have zero problem voting for her over whichever GOP lunatic gets nominated to lose the general election.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Dec 26, 2015 11:01 PM Flag

    You can see him straining so hard to claim he has some friends. BTW, carci might be willing to be our friend next Christmas--thank me later.

    Har de har. Speaking of straining to push out a big one, ever heard the joke about the physicist who claims to specialize in relativity but denies the existence of black holes?

    Yeah thass right Vermie - you don't want none of this. You figure it's time once again for a rematch?...for what, to maybe give the board rubes some entertainment? Try me and I will slap your silly beeyotch face so hard an army of Steven Hawking MIT wheelchairs won't be able to parse it.

    That said...Happy Holidays and best wishes for a prosperous New Year.

  • Reply to

    Merry Christmas

    by garlands_of_garlic Dec 24, 2015 10:25 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Dec 26, 2015 5:55 PM Flag

    "Carci overjoyed that someone wished him a merry Christmas."

    Awww did someone not get his holiday dreidel??

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Dec 26, 2015 5:49 PM Flag

    Atheists aren't lonely at all: your mom just beejd my yule log.

    Want some carsonog?

    HO HO HO

  • Reply to

    Merry Christmas

    by garlands_of_garlic Dec 24, 2015 10:25 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Dec 26, 2015 7:43 AM Flag

    Thank you Garlands of Garlic

    Best wishes to all...regardless of political, religious, ethnic, cultural or sexual orientation/affiliation.

    We're all in this together, on the same planet.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Dec 22, 2015 2:13 AM Flag

    You treat "human caused global warming" as a theory, not a certainty.

    "We do not have enough information to conclude it is a certainty."

    Of course we do; your declarative statements to the contrary do not even rise to the level of being wrong. That insufferable and ignorant morons like yourself treat the scientific method as a belief system is infuriating. What sort of absolute proof would you and your ilk require?

    "The greatest minds of the time believed and evinced that the earth was flat - then we found out it wasn't."

    That isn't true at all. Anaximander (Greek/Turk philospher, 600 BC) was the first to postulate a round earth, followed by Pythagoras a century later....but long before that the Sumerians (4000 BC) invented the first calendars - indeed, the articles we currently utilize for measuring time, the sexagesimal (60 secs/min, 60 mins/hr, 12 months/yr) relies on a system invented by a bunch of agrarian priensts - that the human heart beats avg 60x/min is hardly a coincidence.

    "You would have been one of the "flat earthers" at that time."

    More projection from an anti-science rightwingnutjob. I am sure that 10 years from now you will have conventiently "forgotten" every argument you made opposing global warming.

  • Reply to

    More Caucasian domestic terrorism

    by pilodialcyst Dec 21, 2015 11:04 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Dec 22, 2015 1:08 AM Flag

    When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming truth is that Islam has killed more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty.


    You're quoting an article from a rightwing crackpot website (American Thinker) which offers up such lunacy as this: "Conservative estimates [of the Islamic conquest of India] place the number at 80 million dead Indians."

    Really? I don't recall Mahatma Gandhi complaining about Islam, but instead the British Emprire. You know, when it was ruled by Islam.

    and this: "Over 110 Million Blacks were killed by Islam."
    Because "... a minumum of 28 Million African were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions."

    1400 years. Hmm that actually predates Islam by a century or two. Of course it was only 4 centuries ago when the US colonists -new land owners- create a market for slave labor.

    If you're talking about actual murder (with intent), the world champion is Hitler at 11 million (attributed to the camps). Mao's policies resulted in 50 million deaths, virtually all from starvation and overwork... Ditto Jolly Joe Stalin, whose regime resulted in 30 million deaths: roughly 10% of which are considered victims of a deliberate killing policy (mass murder).

    In any case, you need to define 'mass murder' more clearly.

    Try this on for size:
    Smoking tobacco kills 4 million people per year (avg for the past 50 years) so 200 million deaths.
    In particular, Altria Group (nee Philip Morris) has approx 15% of global market share, so that's 35 million deaths.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Dec 18, 2015 12:57 AM Flag

    Neither you nor the poster you celebrate are worthy of debate.

    But never let it be said I am not accomodating! So...present whatever argument you will and I will respond in kind.

    Here are some commonly acknowleged debate rules that you are perfectly free to ignore:
    a) opinions/beliefs are not identical to facts
    b) a fact is necessarily a scientifically and logically verifiable element of empirical reality
    c) opinions/beliefs are subjective, meaning not dependent on scientific nor logical scrutiny

    More scholarly:
    Justified true belief is a definition of knowledge that is most frequently credited to Plato and his dialogues. The concept of justified true belief states that in order to know that a given proposition is true, one must not only believe the relevant true proposition, but also have justification for doing so.
    In more formal terms, a subject S knows that a proposition P is true iff:

    P is true
    S believes that P is true, and
    S is justified in believing that P is true

    And this is just an observation: all conservatives argue in bad faith. All of them. I have and continue to assert that Republicans have no observably operant moral ethic, and you/they always anecdotally prove me correct.

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