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carsonogenik 136 posts  |  Last Activity: Feb 25, 2015 11:57 PM Member since: Dec 30, 2001
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  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 24, 2015 9:54 PM Flag

    Its almost as if you are paid to barf out word salad on demand.

    Worse: you are not being paid to barf out word salad.

  • carsonogenik by carsonogenik Jan 21, 2015 2:25 AM Flag

    Looks like I picked the wrong millennium to quit smoking crack:

    'Tonight, We Turn The Page'
    aarrrgghhhh*cough* (smells a lot like the content free lets-not-look-backward-instead-we-must-look-forward-because-change/growth/progress pablum from every SOTU since George Washington's first, which IMO is among the best, delivered over 225 yrs ago)

    Example:
    "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies."
    --Gen. George Washington, 1/8/1790

    (Washington is here essentially stating one of the guiding principles of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution almost two years before it was ratified: specifically, that clause involving "a well-regulated militia." But of course rightwing gun nuts despise regulations...)

    On the other hand, everything Joni "not Sarah Palin" Ernst had to say in the Republican Response supplied all the entertainment and insight I've come to expect from someone who has an opinion re the various recipes for cooking up a pot of beef stew but can't actually read...

    Ernst: "...rather than respond to a speech, I¹d like to talk about your priorities."
    LOL srsly?? Because the SOTU speech had nothing to do with priorities.

  • Reply to

    80 versus 3.5 billion

    by beewok Jan 19, 2015 7:06 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 21, 2015 12:48 AM Flag

    "Name something that Obama has tried to implement that the GOP has backed when it involves our economy."

    Done!
    (WaPo)December 17, 2010
    Obama signs bill to extend Bush-era tax cuts for two more years

    "President Obama signed into law the most significant tax bill in nearly a decade Friday, a day after overcoming liberal resistance in Congress to continue for two more years tax breaks enacted under president George W. Bush and to provide a fresh federal boost for the tepid economic recovery."

    In remarks before signing the bill, Obama called it "a substantial victory for middle-class families across the country." He added: "They're the ones hardest hit by the recession we've endured. They're the ones who need relief right now."

    Obama described the bill as "a package of tax relief that will protect the middle class, that will grow our economy and will create jobs for the American people."
    ________________________

    Its ridiculous to assert that the Bush tax cuts somehow support the middle class, but that's exactly what Obama did. Anyone who labels Obama a socialist isn't paying attention.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 16, 2015 10:55 AM Flag

    Yeah, Republicans have been hammering away at FDR's "New Deal" legislation for the better part of 80 years.

    Interesting factoid: in 2005, Dumbya lobbied heavily to privatize social security. Guess what? it failed...and that was with a GOP-controlled House and Senate.

    "According to the Gallup organization, public disapproval of President Bush's handling of Social Security rose by 16 points from 48 to 64 percent--between his State of the Union address and June.

    "By early summer the initiative was on life support, with congressional Democrats uniformly opposed and Republicans in disarray.After Hurricane Katrina inundated what remained of the President's support, congressional leaders quietly pulled the plug. By October, even the President had to acknowledge that his effort had failed."

    Bush was always weak tea. Without Cheney and Rove pulling his strings, he became what he always was: the most powerful empty suit on the planet.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 16, 2015 10:26 AM Flag

    Your 2016 views are more optimistic than mine.

    Granted, Hillary will drop kick Mittens/Jeb without working a sweat. That's a given.

    As far as the 2016 midterms go, I am less enthusiastic. Republicans generally get away with raping at least 50% of their constituency so long as they can beat that liberalism=socialism drum while ensuring lack of basic infrastructure (roads, internets, finance, health care, education) is available to everyone, especially millionaires.

    30 years of Republican influence at the federal level accounts for most of the US economic travails: deregulation, defunding financial oversight organizations, cut taxes to to richest corps because otherwise they'll have no choice but to outsource labor-production to people in India, Mexico and China, who are literally paid around 10% of federal minimum wage. And I'm talking about IT programmers. US immigrants, legal or no, will work for far less.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 16, 2015 8:52 AM Flag

    Well that's pretty vague stuff. And you're lying, as usual: your quotes are not attributed to Bloomberg, but rather a crackpot website Bloombergview

    Additional hilarity: previously, you claimed Obama was supporting al Qaeda so IMPEACH! but now you're claiming the Obama administration is somehow selling arms to Iran. IMPEACH?

    Additional additional hilarity: the only US president to covertly (and illegally) sell US arms to Iran is your hero, St Ronaldus of Reagan. Let fly the dogs of adolescent hero worship.

    BTW, Ronnie armed Saddam Hussein with the chemical weapons tech subsequently deployed against the Kurds, and (correct me if I'm wrong) also....wasn't it St Ronnie who approved CIA & military training of the Afghani mujahidin forces including one Osama bin Laden??

  • Reply to

    Suicide rates

    by carsonogenik Jan 16, 2015 5:55 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 16, 2015 7:32 AM Flag

    "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
    I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
    The evil that men do lives after them;
    The good is oft interred with their bones;
    So let it be with Caesar."
    --Antony from Julius Caesar, Act III Scene 2

    Benefits of a liberal arts education, haha. Shall I rewind to Scene 1?

    Julius the Czar understood what it was to reach the apex of power. As his last speech indicates, he remained a self-righteous twit until the end.

    "Know, Caesar doth not wrong, nor without cause
    Will he be satisfied."
    --Julius Caeser, Act III Scene 1

    Julius the Czar remained a self-righteous arrogant twit to the last...much like Darth Cheney; who despite his historical array of used hearts both mechanical and biological, lack of basic empathy or even a hint of self examination on any level (also, let us recall that both St Ronald of Reagan and Dubya were particularly allergic to introspection) and being factually wrong about pretty much everything, will stand among history's most obvious but not-indicted psychopaths. Unfortunately Cheney will never, ever spend a single day behind bars, nor will he ever have all his assets seized. More's the pity.

    (Asset forfeiture or asset seizure is a form of confiscation of assets by the state. It typically applies to the alleged proceeds or instruments of crime. This applies, but is not limited, to terrorist activities, drug related crimes, and other criminal and even civil offenses.)

    I cannot demerit enough points from Obama's overall score for refusing to prosecute the entire Bush/Cheney administration for war crimes. In this regard, Obama is the 21st century's Gerald Ford avatar.

  • carsonogenik by carsonogenik Jan 16, 2015 5:55 AM Flag

    LA Times
    Detailed study confirms high suicide rate among recent veterans

    The study brings precision to a question that has never been definitively answered: the actual number of suicides since the start of the recent wars.

    Though past research has also found elevated suicide rates, those results were estimates based on smaller samples and less reliable methods to identify veteran deaths. The government has not systematically tracked service members after they leave the military.

    The new analysis, which will be published in the February issue of the Annals of Epidemiology, included all 1,282,074 veterans who served in active-duty units between 2001 and 2007 and left the military during that period.

    The analysis matched military records with the National Death Index, which collects data on every U.S. death. It tracked the veterans after service until the end of the 2009, finding a total of 1,868 suicides.

    That equates to an annual suicide rate of 29.5 per 100,000 veterans, or roughly 50% higher than the rate among other civilians with similar demographic characteristics.

    The issue of veteran suicide has become a political cause for activists and legislators. One statistic has become a rallying cry: 22 veterans take their own lives each day.

    That figure is a national estimate based on a Department of Veterans Affairs analysis of death records from 21 states. Though it is usually cited in the context of the recent wars, most of those suicides involved older veterans, who account for the vast majority of the nation's 22 million former service members.
    _______________________________

    For perspective, the CDC defines the overall US suicide rate as 12.7 per 100,000. That aggregate includes both veterans and civilians; unfortunately, CDC data segmenting veterans from non-veterans wrt population sample remains unavailable.

    So let's cheat and use 2011 census numbers..

    a) Total US population=311M
    b) Total US Military veterans=22M

  • Which of these two deeply committed and seriously serious candidates who have not officially announced their candidacy will ultimately prevail to win however many GOP establishment handjobs are required to progress to the semifinals? I do not know.

    Romney: 2 time contender, 2 time loser and noted chickenhawk, he's been running for POTUS since 2006 with occasional breaks for tea and crumpets and impersonating a more successful and less humanistic version of Donald Trump. Noted for saying that the US would be in total control of the world under his leadership (ref McCain, John) by now.

    The Jebster: John Ellis "Jeb" Bush served as the 43rd Governor of Florida from 1999 to 2007. He is the second son of former President George H. W. Bush and former First Lady Barbara Bush, and is the younger brother of former President George W. Bush. Jeb Bush is the only Republican to serve two full four-year terms as Governor of Florida. During his tenure as governor The Smart Authoritarian One saw fit to deploy his BFF Katherine Harris* to corrupt the 2000 elections and then to the Florida National Guard to protect Terry Schiavo's "life," probably in the hope that she would eventually run for the Florida state legislature as a Republican: she was, after all, brain dead.

    *I don't know what led Anders Ebbeson to marry Katherine Harris in the the first place, but if I woke up sober and realized in a moment of clarity that I'd been sleeping in the same bed as that creature for the last 17 years, I'd probably take the fast way out:

    USA Today (11/19/2013)
    Katherine Harris' husband commits suicide

  • Reply to

    debka_file

    by crueloption Jan 13, 2015 2:56 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 15, 2015 9:52 PM Flag

    Shakespeare wrote more about birds than any other poet, referencing the blackbird (ousel#$%$), bunting, chough, #$%$, cormorant, crow, cuckoo, daw, dive-dapper, dove, duck, eagle, falcon, finch, fowl, goose, guinea hen, hedge sparrow, heron, jay, kestrel, kingfisher, kite, lapwing, lark, loon, magpie, mallard, martin (martlet) nightingale, osprey, ostrich, owl, paraquito, parrot, partridge, pea#$%$, pelican, pheasant, phoenix, pigeon, popinjay, quail, raven, rook, sea gull, snipe, sparrow, starling, swallow, swan, thrush, turkey, vulture, wood#$%$, and wren.

  • So, Mitt "Willard" Romney sat down with his ego and his former campaign advisers to determine whether he should strike out for the third time to strike out. Hmm.

    Because his campaign advisers aren't idiots, I'm sure they jumped at the opportunity to fleece another $1 billion from every possible source to finance a loser's candidacy while pocketing as much they can. Mittens didn't spend one dime of his own $250 million financing his destined-to-lose 2012 campaign, because why bother? To the Koch Bros and other creepy wingnut billionaires like Sheldon Adelson, donating millions of dollars every election cycle at local, state and federal levels not only doesn't significantly impact their personal finances.

    At this point I'm not sure why any Republican candidate even needs to organize a campaign: Faux News has been shilling GOP talking points du jour 24/7 since 1996, Limbaugh since 1988, etc etc.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 15, 2015 5:27 PM Flag

    Score!
    "I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you."

  • Reply to

    Supposedly 4000 + chemicals

    by crueloption Jan 9, 2015 9:06 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 9, 2015 11:37 PM Flag

    "Let's not list those added (like molasses) to affect flavor, but just those arising from the leaf."

    Generally, the tobacco leaf means nothing unless you smoke it.

    I am not sure to what extent eating raw tobacco is hazardous to your health (beyond having no nutritional value), but nicotine itself is an extremely potent alkaloid and in sufficient doses (upwards of 500 mg) is lethal. Looking for something to give your boring salads some extra kick?

    Chaw/dip takes much longer for the nicotine to affect the brain (as opposed to smoking, because respiration), but the upsides include chronic spitting/dribbling blackish swamplike goo, having breath so bad not even your drunken grandma's ghost would kiss you, green-to-black teeth & gums as well as variously amusing types of oral cancer.

    On the other hand, after 5 minutes of Googling the topic, there appears to be no downside to snuff...excepting the occasional nosebleed and/or western social impediments against sneezing.

  • Reply to

    Why Keystone must be vetoed

    by pilodialcyst Jan 9, 2015 1:48 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 9, 2015 9:58 PM Flag

    Remember when conservatives actively supported the environment? I don't. Oddly enough, it was Nixon (R-Green) who rammed the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration down the throats a Dem-controlled Congress.

    FFW to today where Obama will have no problem vetoing the Keystone XL bill. Pilo, you are correct in saying shale mining is both dangerous and filthy....dangerously filthy.

    But the best part is that oil prices are so low that building a pipeline, not to mention destroying 20% of Alberta, not to mention the expensive refinement to export product makes the entire affair a cost-prohibitive joke. Nobody except congressional Republicans and their constituencies are dumb enough to believe the price of crude will be sustained at $80/bbl (the break-even point for shale production, refinement, pipeline building, and shipment) over the next couple of years. In fact...

    "OPEC won't reverse course even if oil prices fall as low as $20 a barrel or non-OPEC countries offer to help with production cuts, Saudi Arabian Oil Minister Ali Al-Naimi said in an interview with the Middle East Economic Survey on Dec. 21. The kingdom may even bolster output if non-OPEC nations do so, he said. The global oversupply is 2 million barrels a day, or 6.7 percent of OPEC output, Qatar estimates.

    "The group will stand by its decision not to cut output even if prices fall and wait at least three months before considering an emergency meeting, U.A.E. Energy Minister Suhail Al-Mazrouei said Dec. 14. He said clearing the surplus may take years, Abu Dhabi-based newspaper The National reported Jan. 6."

    LOL, supply and demand! Isn't that what they teach in Reaganomics 101?

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 9, 2015 8:57 PM Flag

    (FT)
    Scientists agree global warming is man-made
    May 16, 2013
    "An overwhelming majority of scientists agree humans have caused global warming, according to a study of scientific literature produced over the past two decades that claims to be the most comprehensive of its kind.

    "The findings fly in the face of public opinion polls done as recently as last year showing 43 per cent of Americans do not believe scientists agree the earth is getting warmer because of human activity, and 12 per cent do not know.

    "In fact, the authors of the new study show that of 4,000 peer-reviewed papers by some 10,000 scientists that were published since 1991 and stated a position on the cause of global warming, 97 per cent endorsed the idea that humans had caused it."
    ............................
    "The study found a total of 11,994 papers published on climate change or global warming between 1991 and 2011 by 29,083 authors in 1,980 different scientific journals.
    Of these, it found 66.4 per cent stated no position on man-made global warming, often called anthropogenic global warming while 32.6 per cent endorsed it. Only a tiny 0.7 per cent rejected it and the authors of just 0.3 per cent of the papers said the cause of global warming was uncertain."
    _________________________________

    Ahem
    "According to authoritative Global Capital Markets Survey, which measures readership habits amongst most senior financial decision makers in the world’s largest financial institutions, the Financial Times is considered the most important business read, reaching 36% of the sample population, 11% more than The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), its main rival. The Economist, which is 50% owned by FT, reaches 32%. FT's The Banker also proved vital reading, reaching 24%.[22] In addition, FT was regarded as the most credible publication in reporting financial and economic issues among the Worldwide Professional Investment Community audience."

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 9, 2015 8:18 PM Flag

    You are the poster-child of false equivalence.

    "Progressives and Neo-Cons must hold to a strict set of beliefs because if one tenet of their mantra is shown to be false they don't not have the mental tools to reevaluate their belief structure and adapt."

    Comparing "progressives" to "neoconservatives" by asserting that both adopt a rigid worldview makes no sense. You are simply tossing out terms and concepts that you don't understand.

    Neoconservatism, simplified, is a school of thought guided by the notion that military force is the best way to create western-friendly foreign markets that are compatible with US/Israel interests. There is virtually no observable difference between neoconservative thought and modern conservatism: if there's a difference, its that conservatives employ a neoconservative approach to domestic issues.

    Progressivism is a broad philosophy ultimately dependent on concepts like egalitarianism, education and applied reason in concert with established fact. See Enlightenment, Age of.

    "both put belief over fact and then cherry pick the data to make it fit the belief"

    Its true that confirmation bias is part of human nature (and is probably a necessary component of the human psyche)...but its also true that such bias is trumped by adherence to the scientific method.
    Indeed, Mr Both Sides Do It, explain why less than 10% of actual scientists identify as conservative, and why a majority of conservatives poll as despising science. Let fly the dogs of conspiracy!

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 7, 2015 1:55 AM Flag

    First of all, Obama (like everyone who isn't a moron) understands that wealthy donors are the lifeblood modern politics. That's simply an unfortunate but systemic reality.

    Second, Obama has taken far fewer "vacation days" than any US president in the last 4 decades:

    Obama: 150
    Bush43: 879
    Clinton: 170
    Reagan: 349
    Bush41: 40
    Carter: 79

  • Reply to

    And the War continues, and continues

    by pilodialcyst Jan 2, 2015 7:01 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 6, 2015 11:34 PM Flag

    Why do you perceive this as being a "career choice??"

    If the scope of minimum wage was limited to "unskilled teens" I would agree - I worked a series of minimum wage jobs thru my teen years (back when minwage was 3.35/hr) , but I was living with my parents at the time...meaning I didn't have to support myself, and couldn't have cared less about benefits.

    But the fact of the matter is that a lot of people aren't working minwage jobs like I did; they are adults, trying to support a family.

    "It continues to be the case that it's fashionable to spend other people's money, but soon you run out."

    The US won't ever run out of money. Yeah, think about that the next time you're eating an FDA-approved fast food hamburger, or taking medication or driving down a highway or drinking water or connecting to the internet or mailing a package or shopping for groceries or cheering for more oil subsidies or complaining about Obamacare or supporting another gazillion dollar increase to the military budget, etc etc.

    carsonogenik • Dec 13, 2014 4:51 PM
    questor_2001 has always been an ignorant little jerkoff.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 6, 2015 10:31 PM Flag

    Red-Agreed, this guy is a pathetic black racist, who constantly makes racist remarks about flabby white elderly's, and then claims to be white!
    _____________________

    I'm white, with established ancestry both Nordic (700 yrs) and Celtic (1,000 yrs) and agree 100% with Pilo's characterization of today's Republican party.

    Further, racism itself is a meaningless term without the backing of an established, historical systemic power structure to support it. Pilo doesn't hate whites any more than I do; he is merely speaking against the white power structure that dominates US conservative "thought."

    Only an idiot *cough* would assert the phrase "white power" is synonymous with "black power." Black power isn't synonymous with the kidnapping & then transporting hundreds of millions of whites across an ocean to be bred and used as capital, like cattle (both origins of the term "chattel slavery," btw).

    Basically, rich old white conservatives have adopted the political language of Malcolm X and MLK Jr in order to portray rich old white men (Christians/capitalists) as somehow being an endangered species.

  • Reply to

    And the War continues, and continues

    by pilodialcyst Jan 2, 2015 7:01 AM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Jan 6, 2015 8:49 PM Flag

    That means many parents—which, realistically, means mothers—are forced to choose between giving up income or finding, and paying for, child care starting when their children are teeny tiny babies. It's a terrible choice that comes directly out of terrible policymaking, and it's consistent with America's failure to guarantee paid sick leave, to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, and so many other policies that would help workers and that are common among peer countries. And Republicans, of course, are committed to keeping it this way.
    _______________________

    Let's focus on how Republican opposition to raising the minimum wage translates to a cost to taxpayers.

    How taxpayers subsidize low-wage workers
    (March 2014)
    "A study completed last fall* by researchers at the University of California-Berkeley concluded that front-line fast-food workers earn so little that 52 percent of them are enrolled in one or more public assistance programs. The cost to the taxpayers – nearly $7 billion a year."

    *(October 2013)
    "Nearly three-quarters (73 percent) of enrollments in America’s major public benefits programs are from working families. But many of them work in jobs that pay wages so low that their paychecks do not generate enough income to provide for life’s basic necessities. Low wages paid by employers in the fast-food industry create especially acute problems for the families of workers in this industry. Median pay for core front-line fast-food jobs is $8.69 an hour, with many jobs paying at or near the minimum wage. Benefits are also scarce for front-line fast-food workers; an estimated 87 percent do not receive health benefits through their employer. The combination of low wages and benefits, often coupled with part-time employment, means that many of the families of fast-food workers must rely on taxpayer-funded safety net programs to make ends meet."

    Math so simple even a Republican (looking at you, Paul Ryan) can understand it.

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