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carsonogenik 83 posts  |  Last Activity: Oct 10, 2014 12:55 AM Member since: Dec 30, 2001
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  • Reply to

    Today is a major anniversary for two events.

    by pilodialcyst Aug 6, 2014 3:42 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 6, 2014 6:48 PM Flag

    Several weeks before Hiroshima, Japan had begun signaling for its surrender: Emperor Hirohito wished to surrender to the Allies (specifically to Russia), but Japan's minister of war strongly opposed the move...meaning the matter was still being debated in Tokyo.

    Truman was well aware that Japan was on the road to surrender, but he went ahead and nuked the place anyway - as much to intimidate the Soviets as to force an unconditional surrender.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 6, 2014 8:17 PM Flag

    Ostensibly, I imagine to bring an end to Assad's brutal regime. That said, it was an unquestionably stupid and horrible move by the White House on every level. The fact that the $500 million request was for appropriately "vetted" members of the Syrian insurgency strikes me as particularly laughable. Vetted by whom? How?

    At the same time, the Kurds are providing the only significant resistance to ISIS in Iraq - yet Obama has either rejected their calls for aid or is still mulling things over (because our ally Turkey would like to see US-armed Kurds about as much as Baghdad, or Iran for that matter).

    George W. Bush and the persistence of his advisers in the national security state are the cause of the success of ISIS. They set up the Iraqi state as a proxy and arms customer of the United States. That arrangement will not last because the force that Maliki controls is abandoning him. The national army in Mosul was not defending their own homes; they are in the same position as the Afghan army that continues to frag US officers. The folks organized to defend their homes will prevail because ISIS is not an army but several thousand shock troops (unless the Saudis or some other Sunni state are more deeply involved than has been reported).

    Considering the last 30 years of US policy wrt Iraq, especially after the complete & utter trillions dollar failure of the Bush Administration (make no mistake: it is Maliki's brutal anti-Sunni policies that drive ISIS in Iraq), its no wonder Obama is making stupid decisions and/or not deciding; there really are no smart decisions left.

    Personally I think at this point the Middle East is a lost cause for the US.

  • Reply to

    It's too late now

    by melvinprit Aug 6, 2014 8:18 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 6, 2014 8:30 PM Flag


  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 7, 2014 1:43 AM Flag

    Right. Let's pretend I didn't say that Obama's call to arm ISIS was "an unquestionably stupid and horrible move by the White House on every level."

    People as stupid and/or ignorant as you have no business second-guessing policy decisions.

    "You might as well try blaming George Washington or Thomas Jefferson."


  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 7, 2014 1:53 AM Flag

    If MSNBC's parent company loves the pothead, explain the 3 hours of 'Morning Joe.'

  • carsonogenik by carsonogenik Aug 13, 2014 6:54 PM Flag

    So they cheat.

    "(National Review) The National Republican Congressional Committee, which came under fire earlier this year for a deceptive series of fake Democratic candidate websites that it later changed after public outcry, has launched a new set of deceptive websites, this time designed to look like local news sources.

    The NRCC has created about two dozen of these new faux news sites targeting Democrats, both challengers and incumbents, and is promoting them across the country with localized Google search ads.

    The NRCC’s single-page sites are designed to appear to be a local news portal, with logos like “North County Update” or “Central Valley Update.” The articles begin in the impartial voice of a political fact-checking site, hoping to lure in readers. “We’ll take a look at her record and let you decide,” starts one. Then they gradually morph into more biting language. At the very bottom, in a box, is the disclaimer that the NRCC paid for the site."

    The GOP is wrong on every major policy question. Economics and recession? Wrong. Environment, climate change, public health? Wrong, wrong, wrong. Health care? Wrong. Income inequality? Wrong. Tax policy? A joke. Foreign policy? Explosively wrong. Infrastructure investment? Wrong. Border security and immigration? Comically (if there weren’t so often tragic consequences) wrong. Race in America? Viciously wrong. Industrial safety? Wrong. Regulation? Ask the phosphate-loving folks of Toledo. Scientific research? Wrong….and so on. The takeaway is that the major policy options that are the central pillars of the Republican party’s approach to governance have a track record, and that record is staggeringly awful.

    This is a problem come election season. The voting-age population nation wide is, as widely documented, moving away from the Republican party. So what do they do?
    *Gerrymander (Dems had 400,000 more votes than the GOP in 2012, but lost anyway)
    *Voter suppression

  • Reply to

    The GOP Has Nothing...

    by carsonogenik Aug 13, 2014 6:54 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 13, 2014 7:00 PM Flag

    Here's telling detail: "[NRCC communications director Andrea] Bozek’s response? “They’re just jealous,” she said, “that they didn’t think of this strategy first.”

    Wrong - again! So much for the party of principles...

    One last note: the basic GOP approach to elections: to deny the franchise; to construct the mechanics of elections to achieve near-certainty of result; and to create a fictional simulacrum of the media to make reality harder and harder to distinguish — all these are the tools of authoritarians, of one-party states, of dictators. Which is to say, this is the work of an organization committing treason against the ideal of American democracy. This observation should come as no surprise to anyone paying attention: I have stated repeatedly that the GOP is a criminal enterprise masquerading as a viable political party.

    They will be on life support in a couple of decades, and all but defunct within a generation.

  • Reply to

    Classic Grapefruitology

    by rodentologist Aug 12, 2014 9:20 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 13, 2014 7:38 PM Flag

    You tried this earlier, and I responded by saying
    a) Obama's $500m request was stupid, and
    b) that request qualified that the recipients would be "vetted" (also stupid) and also "moderates." This is probably news to you, but "radical" and "moderate" are not synonyms.

    Don't worry - in the entirety of the internets, I'm sure there are literally dozens of people dumber than you.

  • Reply to

    Classic Grapefruitology

    by rodentologist Aug 12, 2014 9:20 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 13, 2014 9:33 PM Flag

    "Define al Qaeda. I did not know there was such a thing as moderate al Qaeda"

    Again for Mr Nonsequitur:

    Obama Requests Money to Train ‘Appropriately Vetted’ Syrian Rebels
    (NYTimes 6/26/2014) President Obama requested $500 million from Congress on Thursday to train and equip what the White House is calling “appropriately vetted” members of the Syrian opposition, reflecting increased worry about the spillover of the Syrian conflict into Iraq.

    The training program would be a significant step for a president who has consistently resisted providing military aid to the rebels in the conflict in Syria, and has warned of the dangers of American intervention. But military and State Department officials indicated that there were not yet any specific programs to arm and train the rebels that the money would fund, nor could administration officials specify which moderate Syrian opposition members they intended to train and support, or where they would be trained.

    “While we continue to believe that there is no military solution to this crisis and that the United States should not put American troops into combat in Syria, this request marks another step toward helping the Syrian people defend themselves against regime attacks,” Caitlin Hayden, a National Security Council spokeswoman, said in a statement. She also said the money and training would help Syrians fight extremists “who find safe haven in the chaos.”

    Despite all of that, written nearly seven weeks ago, you are now arguing that the Obama Administration wanted to train members of al Qaeda and/or ISIS.

    Actually your policy preference makes little difference: whatever position Obama takes, you and your horde of Drudge suckwits will immediately argue the opposite. Obama is a warmonger! Obama is a coward! Obama is a socialist! Obama is in bed with Wall Street!


  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 13, 2014 10:40 PM Flag

    "Voters Think Americans are More Supportive of Israel than are obama and obamamedia
    Not too surprisingly, is it?"

    Translation: Impeach Obama!!!

    Most voters believe their fellow Americans stand behind Israel more than the Palestinians when it comes to the fighting in Gaza, but they aren’t as sure about the Obama administration or the media here and abroad.

    Fifty-seven percent (57%) of Likely U.S. Voters say that, in the current conflict in Gaza, most Americans are supportive of the Israelis. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only eight percent (8%) believe Americans are more supportive of the Palestinians, while 11% think they are equally supportive of both. Eight percent (8%) think most Americans support neither side. Sixteen percent (16%) are undecided.

    Here are some facts (as of 8/5/2014):
    a) 3,834 targets in Gaza struck by Israel, resulting in
    a1) +$5 billion property damage to Gaza (including UN sites and hospitals)
    a2) 1,881 Palestinian deaths (90% civilian)

    b) 2,927 rockets launched at Israel from Gaza, resulting in
    b1) negligible property damage (?)
    b2) 67 Israeli deaths (?% civilian)

    Anyone can google up the facts relevant to the current conflict. Interpreting them can be simple - or it could involve a tremendous amount of insight into a complex, decades or centuries old conflict... which provides a certain amount of rationalization for both sides.

    That said, it is obvious both sides* are wrong and that Israel is more wrong by waging a colonialist -driven campaign of genocide; using self-defense as a moral justification for genocide describes what the N@zis did.

    *America Complicit in Israeli War Crimes: US Stands Alone in Vote Against United Nations Inquiry Into Gaza Assault

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 13, 2014 11:19 PM Flag

    I remain amazed that after their obvious and massive fail wrt Dumbya's adventure in Iraq, Republican views on foreign policy aren't simply prima facie laughed off the national stage. Remember, the Bush Administration went out of its way to ensure that only Republican loyalists had a hand in the Iraq reconstruction.

    As per al Qaida: the group was never all that powerful or even competent. They just got lucky: thru a magical convergence (Bush Administration gave the Taliban a $40 million gift package; Bush Administration transition team ignored Richard Clarke's warnings about al Qaeda; as for Bush himself, Bush himself : he gave the order to table the congressional inquiry into the USS Cole bombing; and as Commander in Chief he chose to assign the bulk of US military forces to go after the impotent Mayor of Baghdad instead of going after Osama bin Laden (leader of al Qaeda).

    Indeed, Bush declared that he wasn't all that interested in Osama bin Laden...March 2002, six months after the 911 terrorist attacks. Interesting that Obama (as Commander in Chief) green lighted the capture of OBL...who, it turns out, had been hiding in Pakistan, one of our "ally" nations, since 2005.

  • Reply to

    Congratulations crazy

    by faggy_christophe Aug 13, 2014 11:00 PM
    carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 13, 2014 11:26 PM Flag

    Waaayy back when the MO board operated as a flat text file (pre-2004), there was a related site that tabulated MO members and their posts. I forget what it was called, but the word 'fool' was in there somewhere.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 15, 2014 5:18 PM Flag

    Ferguson police chief: Robbery "not related" to shooting of Michael Brown

    Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson on Friday said the police officer who shot and killed Michael Brown was not aware that the unarmed 18-year-old was accused of robbing a convenience store just minutes before the shooting.

    Jackson said that "the initial contact with Brown was not related to the robbery." Jackson also clarified that Darren Wilson, the officer who shot and killed Brown, wasn't even responding to a call about the robbery as initially reported. Wilson instead stopped Brown because he was jaywalking.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 15, 2014 5:43 PM Flag

    Darren Wilson will spend the rest of his life in prison in solitary for the murder.

    That's what I originally thought about George Zimmerman. Apparently shooting unarmed black men to death isn't a crime.

    Maybe its time I stopped working on my tan...

  • Sad but true. Former President and solar water heater aficionado Jimmy Carter went to Aspen, Colorado, this week to accept a lifetime achievement award at the “American Renewable Energy Day summit.” (If he flew there in an airplane, be sure to call him a hypocrite.) There he said people who deny global warming are “nutcases,” prompting howls of outrage on the Right, we figure — they’re always howling and outraged, after all.

    Carter of course was the energy-conserving, no-fun-allowing President who wore a sweater and a catalytic converter in the winter and created the Department of Energy, which was the “oops” that Rick Perry forgot he wanted to eliminate from the government. He was not hopeful that in the current political climate (ha! ha!) there’s much hope for large-scale action on carbon emissions, because he believes that “almost anything President Obama advocates, Congress is going to oppose.”

    While Carter was glad that President Obama has supported stricter carbon emissions limits through the EPA, he also wished that Obama had taken action sooner, and noted that other countries are doing far better than the United States at using renewable energy.

    “The United States is right at the bottom, with only 10 percent of our energy coming from renewable sources,” he said. “So we still have a tremendous opportunity to do what we haven’t done. I would say the biggest handicap we have right now is some nutcases in our country who don’t believe in global warming. I think that they are going to change their position because the evidence of the ravages of global warming is coming or is already there.”

    If there's one thing a peanut farmer knows, its nutcases.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 15, 2014 6:08 PM Flag

    Wilson instead stopped Brown because he was jaywalking


    Let's hope Cliven Bundy is caught jaywalking.

    In blackface!

  • (TIME)
    Rand Paul: We Must Demilitarize the Police

    Anyone who thinks race does not skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention, Sen. Rand Paul writes for TIME, amid violence in Ferguson, Mo. over the police shooting death of Michael Brown

    "The shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown is an awful tragedy that continues to send shockwaves through the community of Ferguson, Missouri and across the nation.

    If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.

    The outrage in Ferguson is understandable—though there is never an excuse for rioting or looting. There is a legitimate role for the police to keep the peace, but there should be a difference between a police response and a military response.

    The images and scenes we continue to see in Ferguson resemble war more than traditional police action.

    Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth."

    Libertarians are occasionally right on two issues:
    1) balance of government power vs individual liberty, and
    2) empire-building is a con job

    Points to Paul for addressing this, and I thought his objections to Obama's use of drones more or less right on the money. If Paul hadn't already created a history of himself by whining about government overreach by whining the Civil Rights Act or by stating "I'm not a firm believer in democracy. It gave us Jim Crow" and most recently his back-and-forth support for Israel (what a coward), I'd be more inclined to take him seriously.

    But I don't and won't. Rand Paul is simply an opportunist. No real coherence at all.

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 15, 2014 8:43 PM Flag

    AND, us deniers call the global warming, er now they call it Climate Change, since te globe has not
    Warmed according to Sattelite Global Imaging fo more than 17 years, Nut Cases!

    I am familiar with the "planet hasn't warmed since 1998" argument, denialist nutcase. Here's how it goes:

    A single data point from 1998 recorded a temperature far above the aggregated mean aggregated temperature that year (among hundreds of other measurements) and which is higher than today's average. Those with even a cursory understanding of sampling would call that an "outlier." Anyway, that single data point provided ignorant denialist nutcases like yourself an open door to weigh in and babble about stuff that far exceeds any claim you might have re: reason or truth.

    So basically your and all nutcases like you either don't understand statistical sampling/methodology, or else you do understand it and are simply being dishonest via cherry picking, or you simply don't care and are simply arguing against the overwhelming data and scientific consensus out of some need to preserve your failed political ideology.

    Anyway, Forbes (which is of course operated by a bunch of capitalist-hating LIEBRULS) debunked this stupid myth over 2 years ago:

    Global Warming Has Stopped"? How to Fool People Using "Cherry-Picked" Climate Data
    2/05/2012 @ 12:39PM
    (Forbes) "The current favorite argument of those who argue that climate changes isn’t happening, or a problem, or worth dealing with, is that global warming has stopped. Therefore (they conclude) scientists must be wrong when they say that climate change is caused by humans, worsening, and ultimately a serious environmental problem that must be addressed by policy makers.

    "The problem with this argument is that it is false: global warming has not stopped and those who repeat this claim over and over are either lying, ignorant, or exhibiting a blatant disregard for the truth."

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 15, 2014 8:52 PM Flag

    How very fascist totalitarian of you, Herr cpwrguy_99.

    Obvious next steps: place the "riff raff" into "camps...."

  • carsonogenik carsonogenik Aug 15, 2014 11:43 PM Flag

    "OK let's say your position is correct that global warming is a problem, which I do not believe, and have lots of company! "

    Your 'belief' in facts are irrelevant: facts themselves are not subject to opinion polls nor any politically-driven ideology.

    "What about the rest of the inhabitants on the planet? We have 350 million give or take a
    Few, I believe ther ae around 3 Billion mortals on the planet, which makes us about
    10% of the population!"

    You are hilariously wrong about all three. AGAIN, your 'beliefs' are irrelevant:
    There are currently over 7 billion (to be precise, 7.19 billion, rounding up) mortal humans on this planet.
    Additionally, the current USofA population stands at 318.67 million (rounding up).

    So then:
    (USA) 0.31867 / (Planet Earth) 7.19 = 4.43% of the global population.

    So your claim that the US comprises "10% of the [global] population!" is not merely wrong, but 155.7% wrong. Congratulations, nutcase.

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