Orders and deliveries mean nothing according to Wayne/ELON/etc.
I do not know the answer, but who made more money (which seem to be all Wayne seems to talk about)
Isn't the battery the largest contributor for the losses on TESLA cars? At the price they charge for the car, something is really eating into any profits when they sell them
Wrong per Forbes. 2014 Safest cars-TESLA didn't make the list
Full-Size Car: Chevrolet Impala
Midsize Car: Buick Regal
Midsize Car: Subaru Legacy/Outback
SUV/Crossover: Mercedes-Benz M-Class
SUV/Crossover: Subaru Forester
SUV/Crossover: Volvo XC60
Luxury Car: BMW 5 Series
Luxury Car: Cadillac XTS
Luxury Car: 2015 Hyundai Genesis
Luxury Car: Infiniti Q50
Luxury Car: Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedan
Luxury Car: Volvo S60
Luxury Car: Volvo S80
I don't think the X is a real SUV either. A lot of SUV's submerge their undercarriages crossing creeks, mud holes etc. How will the battery and electronics in the bottom of the car handle that? Can they be submerged safely?
Go to U-Tube and search for "Burning Lithium metal in water" and see what can happen. Reminds me of the findings that were just published about the 787 lithium battery fires contributed by the lack of safety testing for certain conditions
I would be more worried about having a 400 volt battery!!! made of lithium which combusts in water violently more than I would about the car floating longer. Before anyone says it will never get submerged, tell that to people who live in flood prone areas or went thru Katrina when they have to evacuate by driving the vehicle thru flooded roads or low spots. Hopefully this has all been tested by TESLA and have some type of fused circuitry to keep the battery and car safe and the 400 Volts away from the chassis and also not allowing water to short out a battery .
A 30% reduction in battery cost would get them close to breaking even it that ever happens, but it is a few years away per ELON which is a lot of losses until then
can anyone/someone post a link or article title that TESLA has released saying what the schedule for each major milestone they reach to see what this is based on? I have never seen anything other than a groundbreaking event which really isn't enough to judge where they are schedule wise..
This is all I can find about the schedule for the GIGA factory. It uses the word "expect" throughout the quote from TESLA, Also, Benchmark Mineral Intelligence is not a construction company, they are a mineral research company so not sure they are the best source for making a release like this. Maybe it's true, maybe not. I wouldn't put alot of faith in it until TESLA makes the announcement themselves. 2020 is a long was in the future.
We plan to use the battery packs manufactured at the Gigafactory for our vehicles, initially for Model S and Model X, and later for our Model 3 vehicle, and stationary storage applications. The Gigafactory is currently expected to attain full production capacity in 2020, which is anticipated to be sufficient for the production of approximately 500,000 vehicles annually as well as stationary storage applications. By the time the Gigafactory reaches full, annualized production in 2020, we expect battery pack production capacity to reach 50 GWh. Of this, we expect to build 35 GWh of cell production capacity at the Gigafactory and purchase 15 GWh of cells from other manufacturers, potentially including Panasonic.
Who should you believe, Musk or Benchmark Intelligence. Here is what Must released in Nov about the schedule. Doesn't sound like he is claiming to be a year ahead on it. I don't think slightly means a year when the project is suppose to take 2 years.
Musk said Panasonic's contribution to the battery factory will be $1.5 billion to $2 billion. He said construction is slightly ahead of schedule with initial production of battery cells to begin in 2016.
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The US has very small reserves.
Some analysist think the lithuim reserves world wild would run out before oil reserves based on forecast for all the electric cars that might be produced.
Chile 7.5 million
China 3.5 million(note, about 40% of china's production is illegal and probably would be banned for import).
Austrailia 1 million
If there is an investigation, there is a possibility that they are looking into whether or not TESLA has opened up the bidding process to provide the solar panels for the GIGA factory. I don't think they can just open it up to solar city without giving the other companies a chance to bid on it. . Similiar to what Musk did with the Space x being left out of the bidding process.
Got to u-tube and watch the two different videos when you search for "recycling battery plant fire" Must be some lithium involved.
The numbers I posted are in Metric tons, so the US only has 38,000 metric tons reserves per the article I read. That tells me that Nevada/US will be a very small contributor or deplete their reserves quickly. Just trying to point out the Nevada and US suppliers could be small sources of the lithium .or about 7.8 Million 85 KW batteries until the reserves ran out.
I suppose recycling will make the numbers look better, but that should not be happening for at least 8 years from now(warranty period)
google "Tesla Reveals Its Plan To Build A Massive Battery Factory" dated Feb 26., 2014
There is a schedule released by tesla in the article. Doesn't show much detail to know if they are a year ahead of schedule, but it shows they should be about ready to finish the construction of the facility by Jan 2015 and start installing equipment if they are a year ahead of schedule(yes two months from now).
I think I believe the TESLA schedule release more than this one about being a year ahead of schedule. .
With the excess capacity they claim to have, and the extra 2 weeks of excess parts, shouldn't they have been able to catch up by now ti account for the 2 extra weeks shutdown. They can't say that they are supply constrained if there was inventory buildup of the incoming components as you mention.
Did they ever explain why they lowered there forecast.?
35000/year= 673/week (this assumes they held the rate the same throughout the year even though they have increased it during the year.
Two extra weeks unplanned shutdown would be 1350 cars. The new forecast should have been 33650. What is the explaination for the additional 650 cars being taken out of the forecast(this adjustment downward probably should be a higher number since the rate is higher now than it was in the beginning of the year.)