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  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Aug 7, 2014 9:02 AM Flag

    Newmont Mining Corp said on Thursday it is applying for an injunction to get workers back to its Batu Hijau mine as it fights a controversial tax on copper exports that led the company to halt shipments from Indonesia this year.

    Newmont CEO Gary Goldberg told an industry function in Melbourne that the company would seek interim injunctive relief from the arbitration panel to reopen the mine and resume exports, ahead of the outcome of the arbitration.

    "We estimate it could take several months to obtain a ruling on interim relief and at least several weeks to ramp back up to full production if that relief is granted," Goldberg said in a speech.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Aug 7, 2014 8:57 AM Flag

    Newmont Mining Corp Chief Executive Gary Goldberg said on Thursday he was open to resuming discussions about a potential merger with Barrick Gold Corp but had not heard from the company since April.

    ABX it's now your turn to make the phone call.


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    by wild_gold Jul 29, 2014 8:58 PM
    come_to_grief come_to_grief Jul 29, 2014 9:38 PM Flag

    This was the attention grabber in the news release.

    "invest in developing the Merian gold mine in Suriname with strong local support for the project"

    Contrast the welcome to the acrimony that is exhibited by Indonesia.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Jul 28, 2014 1:00 PM Flag

    The Indonesia Government got quite the eye-opener with today's arbitration ruling against Russia in the YUKOS oil expropriation. What Indonesia is attempting by the ore export tax change to the existing COW with Newmont is eerily similar to the Russian tactics used to expropriate Yukos oil. Today a verdict against Russia to the tune of $50B was rendered by the arbitration court. Get the message Indonesia? You cannot win any arbitration hearing...stop the nonsense...give Newmont an export license.

    An international court on Monday ordered Russia to pay over $50 billion in compensation to the former majority shareholder of now-defunct oil producer Yukos over the expropriation of the company more than 10 years ago.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Jul 25, 2014 11:48 AM Flag

    Freeport-McMoRan has agreed to and signed the new MOU. Freeport can begin export of unprocessed copper in August. Below are the considerations contained in the MOU.

    Newmont, on the other hand, still has no export license. Are there truly negotiations with the Indo Government to work out a MOU for a license? Obviously, the negotiations have different parameters than what the Freemont case involved--extension of the FCX contract date was predominate. For Newmont, what is the one consideration that must be included into the MOU? Newmont has some leverage since the existing COW remains valid for an extended timeframe. Perhaps, it's relief of the smelter build--or a much more limited ownership percent divestiture w/ the Indonesian Government. Freemont was in a weaker negotiation position.

    Freemont MOU:
    On July 25, 2014, the Government revised its January 2014 regulations regarding export duties to incorporate reduced rates for copper concentrate exports for companies engaged in smelter development. The revised regulations provide for duties on copper concentrate exports during smelter development initially at 7.5%, declining to 5% when development progress exceeds 7.5% and 0% when development progress exceeds 30%.
    Among other items, MOU provisions to be addressed in the negotiation of the Amended COW include provisions for the development of new copper smelting and refining capacity in Indonesia which will take into consideration an equitable sharing of costs between PT-FI (and any partners in the project) and the Government through fiscal incentives, provisions for FCX to divest to the Government and/or Indonesian Nationals up to a 30% interest (an additional 20.64% interest) in PT-FI at fair value, and continuation of operations from 2022-2041. Negotiations will take into consideration PT-FI’s need for assurance of legal and fiscal terms post-2021 for PT-FI to continue with its large scale investment program for the development of its reserv

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    Indonesia Update

    by come_to_grief Jul 23, 2014 9:11 AM
    come_to_grief come_to_grief Jul 24, 2014 9:25 AM Flag

    Based on today's news update from Indonesia, a breakthrough with the current regime is an uphill battle. This guy, Sukhyar is one strange dude.

    Here is the comments:

    Newmont also said it was negotiating a memorandum of understanding that could restart stalled shipments. But the government denied such talks had taken place.

    “There have been no MOU discussion with Newmont. None at all,” Sukhyar said. “The government’s position is we will face them in court.

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    Indonesia Update

    by come_to_grief Jul 23, 2014 9:11 AM
    come_to_grief come_to_grief Jul 23, 2014 7:25 PM Flag

    Does sanity finally prevail?

    July 23 (Reuters) - Newmont Mining Corp is negotiating an agreement with Indonesia that would enable the U.S. company to resume exports of copper concentrates, a spokesman said on Wednesday.

    "We hope to reach an agreement with the government of Indonesia on an MoU or memorandum of understanding, which we would expect would lead to issuance of an export permit," Newmont spokesman Omar Jabara said.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Jul 23, 2014 9:11 AM Flag

    Newly declared President Jokowi Widodo wants to sit down with mining companies in a bid to resolve the ore export tax issue. Definitely, a positive tone to get negotiations rekindled between Indo and Newmont.

    “First, I want to sit down with stakeholders, investors, regulators and with the people to know the problem and find a good solution for them. I want to know the details,” Jokowi said in an interview at his residence in Jakarta on Saturday, before he was declared winner of the presidential election on Tuesday.

    However, there is no harmony within the new leader's circle of power on the topic. The Vice President elect, Jusuf Kalla, was instrumental in developing the latest mining law strategy while he held the VP position in 2007.
    Kalla also said there should be no tampering with the ban on unprocessed ore exports signed into law five years ago.

    Still, in a more conciliatory view, some of the new economic advisors seems more willing to negotiate.

    Darmawan Prasodjo, an economic adviser to Jokowi, has said that the new president would not “kill the industry” and that the government and industry were partners who should face the issue together. Prasodjo criticized the current administration for not creating the conditions for the industry to thrive.
    Syahrir Abubakar, the executive director of the Indonesia Mining Association, said any move to review mining regulations would be welcomed. “There are contradictions from one article to the next, and many renegotiations have been held up because of this law.”

    Anyhow, it is refreshing that the newly elected Government may be more receptive to engage in a fair and reasonable negotiation outcome involving Newmont Mining.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Jul 21, 2014 6:24 PM Flag

    Here is the latest from the Indonesian Government.

    “We are considering taking Newmont Nusa Tenggara to a different arbitration court,” Chairul Tanjung, the coordinating minister for the economy, said in Jakarta on Monday.

    Though Chairul offered few details on the government’s plans to challenge NNT, he cited as a possible arbitration court the United Nations Commission on International Trade Law, a UN appellate body.

    Amazing, these crooks from Indonesia want a change in venue? Guess, the International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) is not credible to Indonesia?

    Not sure how this would ultimately get handled, but think that first filed has the upper hand. It should be ICSID that handles proceeding; should it actually go through the arbitration path.

    On another note, the Indonesia Government won't proceed with negotiations unless NEM withdraws their arbitration filing first. Duh, like NEM would even consider that action. Try that scenario, NEM agrees to withdraw arbitration request then forgoes it's place in the legal timeline (negate arbitration filing date) then Indonesia immediately files for arbitration with the UN venue. Yea, NEM is that dumb?

    Stand firm Newmont...


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    A FOOLISH point

    by come_to_grief Jul 10, 2014 10:11 AM
    come_to_grief come_to_grief Jul 16, 2014 9:48 AM Flag

    The FOOLS are back at it today...they continue to signal that Freeport handled the negotiation with the Indonesian Government in a better manner than did principle because the arbitration path that Newmont pursued is now under attack by the Indonesian Government.

    Oh yea, Newmont should follow the cave-in by Freeport. I'd like to know how the FOOLS can make their judgment without knowing the entire details of the MOU agreement. The MOU might be fair and reasonable, I don't know if it is; but I'm curious if the Indonesian Government has shared MOU details with Newmont. If they already did, then surely Newmont would jump at the opportunity to settle...but so far the arbitration process continues.

    Stand firm Newmont, don't be a FOOL.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Jul 15, 2014 1:05 PM Flag

    Indonesia has threatened NEM with breach of contract and claims that could terminate the contract within 90 after the filing of default. Extortion to the extreme?

    How stupid is this claim? It continues to be the Indonesia Government that won't abide by the COW; and now they're suggesting that the very same contract that they are not adhering to is in breach by least it's good for laugh.

    Until the negotiation team of Indo comes to their senses, then I say that NEM needs to stand firm. Let International arbitration settle this issue.

    Bought more shares today.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Jul 10, 2014 10:11 AM Flag

    From my perspective the same goes for the Motley Fool group.

    Repeatedly, those authors suggest that FCX is outsmarting NEM dealing with negotiations with Indo. Basically, suggesting that cooperating with the extortion is better than taking legal action to protect your contract.

    First, if you follow the FOOLISH ownership disclosure by Motley authors they do suggest that there is no direct share ownership by the individual authors BUT ownership only in FCX is held by the company. Self serving platitudes in my view. The final outcome of the MOU agreement between FCX and Indo hasn't been released--or signed for that matter. What is likely, is the MOU is WORSE economically than the current legal COW binding contract.

    For me, I applaud NEM in taking a hard stand. Just like the FOOL articles suggest; the Indonesian government is using extortion against the companies. Let International Arbitration render judgment, I feel that NEM holds the higher ground. But hey, I'm all for a fair & reasonable negotiation to proceed on the matter. It just makes little business sense to accept terms that bring no consideration to NEM...something that the FOOLS should be saying about the cave-in by FCX.


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    by come_to_grief Jul 7, 2014 9:27 AM
    come_to_grief come_to_grief Jul 8, 2014 7:22 PM Flag

    True, it won't be given for nothing in exchange...the question remains, will transfer price be fair & reasonable...or will it be next to nothing?

    How the heck did this ever take in excess of 6 months to negotiate? Waiting for disclosure on all the line item elements contained in the MOU...will there be a hidden surprise?


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    by come_to_grief Jul 7, 2014 9:27 AM
    come_to_grief come_to_grief Jul 8, 2014 10:48 AM Flag

    What kind of negotiator would give away so much of their future business? In this case apparently the CEO of the company. Freeport should explain to their shareholders, in depth, the cost benefit of the MOU agreement. As reported, this agreement doesn't appear to be a win-win many dollars will now flow to the Indonesian Government and not hit the Freeport balance sheet?

    Unfortunately, Newmont has been undermined by the weak negotiating team (FCX-CEO) of their competitor. Thanks for nothing.

    NEM will either bend over, from the example of FCX, and agree to like terms or fight onwards with the arbitration filing.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Jul 7, 2014 9:27 AM Flag

    The news from Indo claims that an agreement has been reached for the MOU. It still needs cabinet approval and to be signed by the current President...but appears to be a done deal.

    The question remains? Is it a fair and reasonable? Did FCX stand firm or cave in to the government demands?
    Details forthcoming. Sure want an outcome that doesn't impact Newmont in the negative; NEM surely is at the mercy of whatever agreement made by Freeport.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Jul 7, 2014 9:09 AM Flag

    Indonesia negotiators claim that a MOU have been agreed to between the Government and FCX. It still has to get cabinet approval and signed by the current President...but it's a done deal. No details on the ore ban tax relief amount or premises, still an encouraging event.

    In the same breadth, the negotiator states that Newmont will be given one last chance to withdraw the arbitration legal action...or else...or else what?


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    Just on CNBC Halftime

    by tlee22202 Jun 30, 2014 12:42 PM
    come_to_grief come_to_grief Jul 3, 2014 12:01 PM Flag

    Well, Newmont stepped up the ore export tax negotiation pressure on the Indo government; the question now is how firm will Freeport commit to counter-balance the take-it-or-leave negotiation tactic with Jakarta? For certain, whatever outcome is reached it falls on Freeport to continue to demand a fair & reasonable negotiation conclusion...Newmont is counting on an rational agreement by Freeport.

    Today from Jakarta:

    The director general for coal and mineral resources R. Sukhyar has said he is confident that an agreement can be made with disgruntled US mining conglomerate Newmont, despite the company filing an international arbitration against the government on Tuesday.

    Newmont filed the arbitration to seek relief from export restrictions on unprocessed mineral ore imposed in January.

    The official said that if an agreement could be found with Freeport Indonesia, — which operates the world’s biggest gold mine, in Papua — then Newmont would follow suit.


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    Just on CNBC Halftime

    by tlee22202 Jun 30, 2014 12:42 PM
    come_to_grief come_to_grief Jul 2, 2014 9:56 AM Flag

    Your view seems exactly opposite to my perspective. I think a deal is imminent--perhaps days away.

    First, FCX CEO Richard Adkerson remains in Jakarta attempting to seal a new deal with the current government. FCX has publically stated that they have no plans--yet--to follow NEM in seeking arbitration; but make no mistake, the arb filing by NEM strengthens the FCX negotiation process. The Indonesian government now has to consider that force majeure and arbitration by FCX must be considered as a high probability should no deal get inked.

    Second, if there is no deal before the next President gets elected then the real possibility that a complete negotiation reset is highly likely and any settlement would be really protracted.

    Anyhow, my two cents...


  • Reply to

    Just on CNBC Halftime

    by tlee22202 Jun 30, 2014 12:42 PM
    come_to_grief come_to_grief Jul 1, 2014 11:51 AM Flag

    I'm a Newmont Mining shareholder and have followed the negotiation process between the Management and the Indonesian Government. NEM has countered the Indonesian Government relentless hard core negotiations tactics with like kind. Todays arbitration filing is the latest factor in the negotiation stalemate. I actually applaud NEM for undertaking the action.

    From what I've been able to extract from the current Indonesian politics and upcoming election; both major candidates for President are even more "Nationalistic" than todays lame duct regime. I'd suggest if any deal is in order it needs to be done post haste. Moreover, towards your point of diplomatically taking a hard line by Freeport is somewhat intriguing...but too soft. FCX should simply follow the path established by NEM and first declare force majeure and then cripple the Indonesian hard core position by filing International arbitration.

    Six months of negotiation has gotten nowhere fast.


  • come_to_grief by come_to_grief Jul 1, 2014 9:34 AM Flag

    Finally, Newmont files for International arbitration against the Indonesian Government.

    For those that have kept a pulse on the mining law changes in Indonesia, the arbitration filing shouldn't come as a surprise. Based on the negotiation posture of the Indonesian Government over the last six months--the total lack of any compromise--it left Newmont (and Freeport should follow thru too) to declare force major and follow up that action with arbitration outside of the one-sided Indonesian position.

    This story has really elevated the caution flag of any prospective foreign company investing with the hard core Government of Indonesia.

    Lots more ahead...


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