don't outline your plan here or you may open yourself up to an intervention.
neither one of us would want that! (-;
i had capslock on and the post wasn't rendered the way i entered it. X-D
There are no tanks in baghdad!
we are roasting the stomachs of the infidels!!
are you talking about competing for profits or market share?
i.o.s. at 15% market share must compete with android at 80% but apple is making almost all the profits with samsung being second to them. msft currently is not competing in either profits or market share.
moving [more] to content and software integration might get them more revenue -- not the same thing as profit -- since their share of smartphones (smartphones being only a subset of mobile, much less mobile phones) is under 3%.
so they effectively don't compete at all with android and i.o.s. and pretty much must try this sideways move to take in some money and hope to someday be in the black in phone-related sales.
is this another mea culpa moment here?
the iphone 3 was never a non-premium device even after it was displaced by subsequent new flagship models from apple; the desire was also a flagship phone. you can't realistically compare them to a more or less entry level phone like the 535.
on top of that comparing flagship phone specs -- and prices -- from 2009 (iphone 3) and 2010 (desire) is, at the very least, inappropriate and might even be looked at as misleading. please reassure me that you were just being sloppy with your posting again.
forgiveness is only for those that confess. (-;
the old model of losing $billions on things such as bing, advertising, phones, etc. in order to 'compete' with devices/services that are profitable for other companies may be going away. (calling this a "tough choice" is disingenuous at best.)
i don't think they are going to kill off phones just yet even though they should. but some think that it may be imminent and here is an article that discusses why:
"Microsoft's 'tough choices' could include Nokia write-down"
""After more than a decade of 'investment' (i.e., sustained losses and write-downs) in advertising, we think this is the right strategic move for Microsoft," DiFucci said. Display ads likely represented about 1% of Microsoft's revenue, he said.
With Microsoft in house-cleaning mode, there's a good chance it could take a write-down of the $5.2 billion in goodwill associated with its Nokia acquisition and further restructuring, he said.
"An aggressive write-down and restructuring would mitigate future losses, but we note that the business would still likely burn cash," DiFucci said. "We see the Phone Hardware business as poorly positioned versus the established Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) and Android ecosystems and believe Microsoft will have to either make significant investments to drive scale (and thus higher losses) or accept lower market share and market relevance."
this is a bit like saying the settlement over the look and feel lawsuit where msft bought $110 mio, of apple stock (which they later sold for a profit) was a loan to 'save' them from bankruptcy. X-D
at+t had an 'exclusive' on the 1020, subsidized prices started @ $299 and eventually went to $0. t-mo did essentially the same with the 721.
what really happened was -- they didn't sell.
here's a clue for ya: attempting to revise history by blaming the telcos for lack of consumer interest won't create sales in the past.
or the future ...
he can't talk until he finishes off that last 'yacht' that won't quite go down. (-;
" downtrendbuyer 791 posts | Last Activity: 10 minutes ago Member since: Apr 12, 2012"
unless you decided to change names (may be to try to make a comeback from earlier activities) you have only been posting for 3 years out of those 5.
sprint doesn't offer services outside of the u.s.
most of the world, including india, is still on 2g. this is a big deal for them.
it would be great to see them not only launch an android phone design but also resume/resurrect meego/tizen product-design as a second offering since it is doing ok in asia.
8 years ago. pre iphone.
now is a horrible time. and john chen has already said he won't sell "at this price". that implies that it will have to make a move higher or lower before he considers offers.
leopards never change their spots.
pigeons never change the paper in their cages. (-;
"AMD Rising: Microsoft May Acquire, Says Gaming Site"
pretty thin article. unnamed, single source, only 'factor' delineated is that msft has beaucoup $billions and a.m.d. has a sub-$2 billion market cap.
nonetheless that is 3 times as much substance as anything indicating an interest in and use for b.b.
W8 is the unfortunate offspring of Windows Phone 7 and Wishful Thinking.
Terry Myerson killed off Windows Mobile, replacing it with Windows Phone. The result was that Microsoft went from double digit smartphone market share near 15% to fractional-digit market share within the space of a couple quarters. Then he took a phone UI and pasted it onto what had been an adequate general purpose OS and crippled it.
Touch interfaces were rejected for general purpose computer use back in the 80s because they were found to cause lots of repetitive stress injuries on top of putting productivity into the deep freeze by making users adapt to a less efficient mode of operation; reaching across your desk to touch the screen and then going back to the keyboard and mouse was the epitome of anti-ergonomic design.
Once tablets became light enough to hold with one hand the touch interface made a resurgence but took a wrong turn at Redmond and landed on the desktop again as Microsoft tried to enter that market segment instead of being consigned to just watch from afar while it passed them by. The mistake of defaulting to a touch interface was nominally corrected and in 10 the OS will, in theory, use whichever interface is most appropriate for the hardware it is running on.
It just about can't flop as badly as Vista and 8 and the appeal of being free has been forced on Microsoft by actual competition. At least they have taken their golf shoes off in case they should step on themselves indelicately again.
i read the boards with my desktop but not with my phone or laptop. no tablet, no two-fers.
may be if i put chrome on the laptop i will use it to read the boards, but i don't use it much anyway so that isn't likely to happen.
i use 3 different browsers and they all log me in automatically.
so what ~i~ know is that it's no problem at all. not sure i would want to put up with things that don't work as well but since i don't have any and won't put up with new stuff if it isn't satisfactory then it doesn't actually matter.
i've been using the w10 preview releases in a virtual machine as they get pushed out. a lot of the w8-isms have been shed and that's an improvement but not enough to make it something i would want.
promised icing is icing you don't have. if it never gets delivered i won't miss it.
it may be convenient to have w10 as a reference platform so i can walk people through various fixes, installations and settings changes over the phone and not have go over there to work on their machines.
countless others? that depends on how high you can count. right now there aren't that many. but more than 20 if that is considered countless.
mea culpa? conditional forgiveness is in the offing if you are tacitly admitting to be both agares and darwin.
for now let's proceed as if you are using both names to post and want to claim darwin's writings as your own (we can ignore 'his' potential objections until 'he' raises them).
as to the new claims you are making: what are you calling a "recent wave"?
claims and opinions about what the valuation should be set at are constant and ongoing. if you have some nominally objective way of measuring what the overall situation is you should present that. if you don't then you might present this "wave" of sentiment as being your impression of things.
and: who doesn't want a discount? and not just on the price of this stock, but on anything. nothing odd about that. they are only succeeding at getting "a discount" if there is some concrete and objective valuation that they are bypassing. there isn't.
the stock is trading at a level that it hasn't seen in decades. the relief is already here in that regard. if you didn't get in before it appreciated then you missed that particular movement. there will be others.
people hailed the arrival of Windows Phone 7 as an impetus to higher prices. it wasn't. same thing with intel's haswell chips, the supposed pc refresh cycle -- which turned out to be a decline in actual pc sales -- and w8. lots of buzz, no movement.
the current buzz is that w10 will do what all those other developments didn't. you seem to be buying into that. isn't that just another way of looking for "a discount" relative to some imagined "relief" or upcoming valuation?
for the purposes of this discussion who do you categorize as "everybody"? here is why i ask.
short interest in msft is, and has been for years, very low -- well under 2%. it also doesn't reflect day trading strategies which are neither steady nor, by definition, long term.
msft looks to be under the influence of the current macroeconomic events. this is very different from a bearish sentiment on the stock as it influences the whole market.
also: certainly the company is profitable. the stock is "profitable' if you are making money on it. if so, it may or may not be time to buy more depending on your current position and the upcoming -- and unknowable -- trends.
so was that just a quick, sloppy post or are you being vague to the point of inaccuracy to attempt to underscore some rhetorical point?