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The GEO Group, Inc. Message Board

cwn600 81 posts  |  Last Activity: Feb 23, 2015 3:46 PM Member since: Dec 28, 1999
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  • Reply to

    Do we have a dividend coming due ?

    by dclk50 Dec 27, 2014 11:00 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 28, 2014 3:20 PM Flag

    "The ex-dividend date was December 16th."

    No, it was December 17th.

    "I just checked my TD Ameritrade account and I have not received the dividend yet. However, I'm not sure when I should expect to receive it."

    You honestly don't know that you should receive the dividend on the payment date?

  • Reply to

    december 26 2014

    by sandy.criscione Dec 26, 2014 4:48 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 28, 2014 3:17 PM Flag

    "The buyer does not own the stock until settlement date."

    Nonsense. If that were true then it would be impossible to make a day trade, as the trader would not get credit for gains or be liable for losses.

    A buyer owns a stock the instant the trade is executed. The buyer doesn't become a shareholder of record until the trade settles, but being a shareholder of record is important only for dividends and voting on shareholder issues.

    Owning a stock and being a shareholder of record are two different things.

  • cwn600 cwn600 Dec 28, 2014 3:09 PM Flag

    "Example: ... lets say T market closing price on Jan 6 is $34.00 than on Jan 7 at market opening T will drop automatically 47 cents (the amount of dividend payment which is 47 cents) to $37.53."

    So, you're saying that $34.00 minus $.047 equals $37.53? I never knew that. Looks like I need some remedial arithmetic schooling.

  • cwn600 cwn600 Dec 28, 2014 3:05 PM Flag

    "It may take the brokerage house a few trading days to clear the order."

    The ex-date specifically takes into account the three day settlement period.

    "If the order hasn't completed clearance by the ex-div date, even though the purchase was made in time - no dividend."

    No. The trade is required to clear by the record date, not the ex-date. And since the ex-date specifically takes into account the three day settlement period for a trade to clear, any purchase made before the ex-date, if held until or after the ex-date, will qualify for the dividend.

    "This may vary by brokerage house."

    No, it doesn't. The three day settlement period applies to all brokerage houses with no exceptions.

  • Reply to

    New manager?

    by candsrr Oct 7, 2014 6:38 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 26, 2014 9:38 PM Flag

    "Well, yes. Sort of."

    No, not "sort of," just plain yes, it does.

  • Reply to

    Clarification Please

    by daykwd Dec 23, 2014 11:18 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 26, 2014 1:30 PM Flag

    "Why would the pps fall by the value of the dividend?"

    Because on the ex-date the stock is worth 85 cents less than it was the day before the ex-date. It's really that simple.

    "In this case it's a cash flip...new money in which then gets paid right out as a special dividend...which doesn't weaken the balance sheet."

    Sure it does. The cash for the new shares sold to Zhen Fa New Energy is already on the balance sheet as an asset of the company. Just like today or any other day, on January 2, the net worth of the stock will a combination of all the non-cash assets plus the cash, minus the liabilities. On January 5, the ex-date, the net worth of the stock is a combination of all the non-cash assets plus the cash, minus the liabilities, but the liabilities now include 85 cents per share that is due the stockholders, so how can increasing the liabilities by 85 cents result in the same net worth? It can't. So why would you expect buyers on the ex-date to pay the same price for the stock as buyers the day before when the previous buyers are getting 85 cents and the ex-date buyers aren't? If everybody else but you was getting 85 cents in cash, would you pay the same price for the stock as they did?

  • Reply to

    I have never seen

    by etopper12 Dec 24, 2014 8:34 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 24, 2014 12:48 PM Flag

    "I have never seen a X-div come after a pay date."

    Standard procedure for dividends that represent 25% or more of a stock's trading price. Nothing unusual about it.

  • Reply to

    Surprised people are not loading up!

    by stokluver Dec 17, 2014 1:44 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 24, 2014 2:45 AM Flag

    "many reasons- some may not want dividend due to tax consequences"

    But the record date doesn't determine who gets the dividend, the ex-date does, and the ex-date isn't until Dec 31.

  • Reply to

    Surprised people are not loading up!

    by stokluver Dec 17, 2014 1:44 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 23, 2014 6:07 PM Flag

    Why would the day of record have anything to do with dividend positioning?

  • Reply to

    special dividend

    by bennie78230 Dec 22, 2014 10:56 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 22, 2014 5:56 PM Flag

    Very good!

    That's what I get for reading the press announcement instead of the 8-K.

  • Reply to

    special dividend

    by bennie78230 Dec 22, 2014 10:56 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 22, 2014 4:54 PM Flag

    "When will the pps dilution take effect because of the addition of the new shares?"

    Apparently there isn't going to be one because it was washed out by the announcement of the big dividend. The new shares were issued last week, so they're already out there.

  • Reply to

    Special Year-End Dividend

    by joy_of_trading Dec 19, 2014 4:54 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 21, 2014 12:53 AM Flag

    Yeah, well, I used Yahoo historical price numbers, and Yahoo isn't the last word on accuracy either, so I suppose we have to consider the possibility that both sets of numbers could be wrong!

  • Reply to

    Special Year-End Dividend

    by joy_of_trading Dec 19, 2014 4:54 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 20, 2014 2:04 PM Flag

    "the closing price on the day prior to the ex-date was $29.15"

    No, it wasn't. It closed at 30.36 the day before the ex-date. For the whole day it never dropped below 30.

    "so all things being equal, the opening share price on the ex-date should have been $1.31 lower...., or $27.84"

    No, 29.05. It actually opened at 29.14.

    "and yet.... the closing price on the ex-date was $29.74"

    You finally got one right.

    "which is a full $1.90 higher"

    No, actually, 29.74 minus 29.05 is 69 cents.

    "so here's the question"

    Based on wrong numbers, but go ahead.

    "is it possible the SPECIAL dividend is not subtracted from the share price on the ex-date?"

    No, it's not possible. The market simply bid up the price 69 cents on the ex-date. Prices fluctuate, that's all.

  • Reply to

    ex-dividend

    by fleipeg Dec 20, 2014 11:59 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 20, 2014 1:49 PM Flag

    12-31

  • Reply to

    Special Year-End Dividend

    by joy_of_trading Dec 19, 2014 4:54 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 19, 2014 10:29 PM Flag

    "year on the ex-date, THE PRICE WENT UP $1.80!"

    How come historical prices says it was up $0.69 on the ex date?

  • Reply to

    Why the huge drop on Tuesday ?

    by henryting10 Dec 18, 2014 1:23 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 18, 2014 8:08 PM Flag

    Yes. They announce it on their website.

  • Reply to

    Why the huge drop on Tuesday ?

    by henryting10 Dec 18, 2014 1:23 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 18, 2014 7:42 PM Flag

    "Legal accounting manipulation is more appropriate to the explanation you have given."

    No, it's not. Mutual funds are required to do it by law. There's no manipulation of anything.

    "Regardless of how it is presented, the bottom line is the distribution is vapor money."

    No, it's quite real. If it weren't, the fund price wouldn't be adjusted down on the ex-date. It's no different than an individual stock that pays a dividend. Stock prices too are adjusted down by the amount of the dividend on the ex-date.

    You sound as though this is this your first rodeo.

  • Reply to

    Why the huge drop on Tuesday ?

    by henryting10 Dec 18, 2014 1:23 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 18, 2014 3:39 PM Flag

    "A mutual fund dropping over 13% overnight with no transparency or visibility into any behind the scene events was kind of disturbing."

    It was completely transparent. Mutual funds pay out capital gains and when they do, the net asset value drops proportionally, and therefor so does the price. That's such common knowledge that I'm surprised that you're surprised.

  • Reply to

    Why the huge drop on Tuesday ?

    by henryting10 Dec 18, 2014 1:23 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 18, 2014 3:36 PM Flag

    "what is the sense of giving dividends if the fund price drops with it"

    As I previously pointed out, the fund has no choice in the matter. It's a requirement for tax purposes. As for the price dropping, the price of a mutual fund is the net asset value. When a distribution is made, the net asset value is reduce by the amount of the distribution, so the price of the fund has to be lowered to match. It's really that simple.

  • Reply to

    Why the huge drop on Tuesday ?

    by henryting10 Dec 18, 2014 1:23 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Dec 18, 2014 3:34 PM Flag

    "The hefty dividend is in my account today, with neither an explanation, nor footnote on how it is pro-rated."

    It's not pro-rated. If you owned the fund for one day before the ex-date, you get not only the entire distribution, but the tax liability of the whole thing too. That's why it's usually not a good idea to buy a fund right before the capital gains distribution. This is very fundamental stuff and it's nothing new.

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