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The GEO Group, Inc. Message Board

cwn600 261 posts  |  Last Activity: Sep 19, 2014 8:59 PM Member since: Dec 28, 1999
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  • cwn600 cwn600 Jul 11, 2014 2:05 PM Flag

    "Where is that "cwn600" to see what he's got to say now?"

    You want me to clear up your confusion, do you? Sure. Since you can't figure it out for yourself, I'd be glad to.

    "I've been a GERON shareholder for about 4-5 years, I sold June 26th and got back in July 8th, that shouldn't matter cause I was a shareholder as of May 28th, 2014."

    Being a shareholder on May 28th doesn't have anything to do with it, since you bought back in before the ex-date. It is the ex-date that determines who gets the dividend, not the record date, and the ex-date has not yet been established. Why do you think the company said today that any shareholder of record on May28th who sells their shares before the ex-date is also selling their right to receive the Asterias shares? When you sold GERN on June 26 you also sold your right to the Asterias spinoff. But you bought back your right to the Asterias shares when you bought GERN back on July 8th. The right to the spinoff is attached to the GERN shares until the close of trading on the distribution date. That is the purpose of the due bills.

    Have any of those facts penetrated your closed mind?

  • cwn600 cwn600 Sep 3, 2014 8:57 PM Flag

    "As soon as institutional buyers start stepping in the price will move well above $3.00"

    Why would institutional buyers be stepping in if they haven't already?

  • Reply to

    Ex dividend

    by jeansterm Jun 23, 2014 5:25 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Jun 23, 2014 6:31 PM Flag

    "I am pretty sure one had to buy Friday to own shares by the ex date, as it takes three days to settle a trade."

    No, that's not quite the way it works. To qualify for a dividend you have to buy three days before the record date, not three days before the ex-date.

    The only purpose of the ex-date is to take into consideration the three day settlement period to become a shareholder of record on the record date. The last day to buy and qualify for the dividend is the 25th.

  • Reply to

    Big Trade

    by lstephen1998 Jul 2, 2014 4:13 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Jul 6, 2014 3:20 PM Flag

    "Who declares a special dividend if they are not sure about the ability to hold an 11% regular yield?"

    The special dividend had nothing to do with confidence in an ability to hold an 11% yield. It is the market, through the trading price, that determines the yield, not the company.

    The special dividend had nothing to do with having confidence in maintaining the same regular dividend level either. It was issued purely for legal reasons, as their press release at the time said, "The Company is making the special dividend in connection with REIT distribution requirements," either to avoid paying taxes on the money at the company level or to maintain their REIT status.

  • Reply to

    Why didn't the price drop on ex div date?

    by hunter249900 Aug 14, 2014 9:00 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Aug 19, 2014 12:30 PM Flag

    "dividendinvestor has aug 15 as record date. That's unusual to be a month before ex

    The reason the ex-date for the ADS is Sept 22 is because this is a conditional dividend. It is dependent upon shareholder approval at the company's annual meeting on Sept 18th. No matter how likely the approval, the NYSE doesn't allow ex-dates to be set before the conditions of a conditional dividend have been met.

  • On June 23rd I tried to correct your misunderstanding of the value of the NAO spinoff and you rejected my explanation. Today the company announced that the value of NAO spinoff will be determined exactly as I explained.

    On June 23rd, I said, "The value of the NAO shares was $15 at the time of the stock dividend announcement. The proportional value of the spinoff per NAT share was 13 cents. The value of NAO shares is now 18.36, or 22% more than it was at the time of the stock dividend announcement in January. If the NAO shares are now worth 22% more than they were at the time of the announcement, then so is the value of the stock dividend. The dividend was valued at 13 cents per NAT share in January and is now worth 22% more. That's 15.86 cents."

    NAO stock has continued to rise, so the value of the spinoff has continued to increase in the same proportion I described, as noted by the company this morning: "The dividend is calculated on the basis of $0.13 to be distributed per NAT share, and the November 2013 NAO offering price of $15 per share, implying roughly one NAO share per 115.4 NAT shares. ... Since NAO`s November 2013 offering at $15 per share, NAO shares have gone up in value significantly. Based on the most recent NAO closing price of $20.15, this increase in the value of the NAO share is equivalent to about 34%, implying a total value of the dividend-in-kind of about $0.17 per share."

    Got it?

  • Reply to

    why the drop?

    by andydoesbooks Aug 7, 2014 9:55 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Aug 7, 2014 12:20 PM Flag

    "you have to own the stock for 3 days to get the div."

    No, you don't. You need own it only overnight if you bought on the day before the ex-date. If bought yesterday, you could sell today and still receive the dividend.

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    by jdunrod2 Aug 28, 2014 10:13 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Aug 28, 2014 7:42 PM Flag

    " this is the information I have gathered and I believe it is accurate."

    Well, it's not.

    "1) You must own the stock by SEPTEMBER 12, 2014 in order to collect the ($.70) per share dividend on September 30th"

    No. You must own the stock by September 9th to collect the dividend on September 30th. But if you sell your MSN stock before October 1st, you will be obligated to forward the dividend to whoever held the shares as of the close of trading on September 30. That also means that you can buy MSN as late as the 30th to get the dividend but the transfer of the dividend from the shareholder of record's account to yours will not happen before October 3rd.

    "2) In order to officially own the stock by SEPTEMBER 12th you must actually have your purchase order in on September 9th. Otherwise you are not eligible for the dividend."

    Wrong again. Any sale from September 10th through the 30th includes the right to the dividend. That means you can buy up to and including the 30th and get the dividend.

    "A friend of mine who specializes in dividend stocks brought this to my attention, perhaps someone else on this board can confirm this is true?"

    Your friend doesn't know what he's talking about. Why don't you confirm it for yourself? Do a google search for "deferred ex-date" and you'll find multiple explanations. And none of them matches your friend's.

  • Reply to

    anyone know last day to own to get

    by chicosan3 Sep 17, 2014 11:32 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Sep 17, 2014 3:32 PM Flag

    "Must be "owner of record" on ex-date to get Div."

    No, you must be the owner of record on the record date to get the dividend. The ex-date takes into account the three day settlement period to become the shareholder of record on the record date.

  • cwn600 cwn600 Sep 18, 2014 3:58 PM Flag

    "a spinoff would be interesting and would likely spur mass buying before cut off date as who would want to miss out on free shares of new company"

    Spinoffs are not free shares. Are you not aware that the value of spinoff shares is deducted from the price of the parent company's shares on the spinoff ex-date?

  • Reply to

    Shorts, read the last sentence.

    by wallstreetwarrior Jul 9, 2014 3:19 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Jul 10, 2014 1:08 PM Flag

    "YOU ARE 100% wrong with your statement above."

    No, actually he's 100% correct. Why in the world don't you ignorant posters read the stock exchanges rules for distributions before you pretend to know what you're talking about?

  • cwn600 cwn600 Jul 14, 2014 11:58 AM Flag

    "Are options EVER adjusted because of a dividend payout? Nope"

    Sure they are. Do a google search for "OCC Information Memo 27649" and it spells out that sometimes, if somebody of authority feels like it, certain options will be adjusted, but then again, maybe not, because the committee may decide that they don't feel like it after all. Like maybe they're late for brunch or something.

  • Reply to

    Now what's wrong?

    by discountbrains Jul 8, 2014 11:18 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Jul 8, 2014 3:27 PM Flag

    "Think you have to be in for 3 days before ex date."

    No, you have to buy the stock three days before the record date, not the ex-date. The ex-date takes into account the three day settlement period to be a shareholder of record on the record date.

  • cwn600 cwn600 Jun 26, 2014 7:56 PM Flag

    "ALL shareholders as of May 28th, 2014 will Receive those Asterias Shares"

    Yes. And any shareholders of record as of May 28 who sell their GERN shares before the ex-date, which hasn't yet been established, will also be selling their right to the Asterias shares, so will see those Asterias shares pulled out of their accounts on the due bill settlement date. Standard spinoff procedure.

  • Reply to


    by kpail Jul 9, 2014 3:13 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Jul 9, 2014 3:59 PM Flag

    How do you know I wasn't already smoking?

  • Reply to

    Shorts, read the last sentence.

    by wallstreetwarrior Jul 9, 2014 3:19 PM
    cwn600 cwn600 Jul 10, 2014 1:07 PM Flag

    "If you bought after May-28 you do not participate in the distribution no matter what someone says."

    Even if the someone is FINRA, the governing body of the stock exchanges?

    You need to study up on how distributions of spinoffs work because wallstreetwarrior is correct; you are not.

  • Reply to

    Where's the risk?

    by albertcalverteurope Jun 26, 2014 11:23 AM
    cwn600 cwn600 Jun 26, 2014 12:33 PM Flag

    "If you bought today, it's the ex div date and you will own by the 30th."

    What? If you buy today, you will be a shareholder of record on July 1st, not June 30.

    "That means you get the July 14th dividend."

    No, that means you DON'T get the July 14 dividend. The ex-date is the first day that buyers DON'T get the dividend.

  • cwn600 by cwn600 Jul 14, 2014 4:45 PM Flag

    You can be sure the May 28th-fixated will be back. Maybe not repeating their ignorance of the record date, but with new and equal baloney, pressing their cases with the fullest measure of ignorance they can muster.

    And probably with new screen IDs to help them forget their past stupidity.

    High-larious, ain't it?!

  • cwn600 cwn600 Aug 21, 2014 6:58 PM Flag

    "the speculator who is short SPEX does not have to come up with the dividend himself."

    Yes, he does.

    "The dividend passes through the investor who loaned the shares to the person who is short, and the shortie then passes the dividend on to the current owner of the shares."

    No. The investor who loaned the shares no longer owns those particular shares. Those shares have been sold by the short seller to someone else. The company then pays only the current owner of the shorted shares, not the lender and not the short seller. The lender of the shorted shares then owns phantom shares not recognized by the company; he owns only a promise from the short seller to replace those shorted shares sometime in the future. But in lending the shares, the lender does not give up his right to the dividend. The short seller is indeed obligated to pay the dividend on the phantom shares to lender. And because the lender no longer owns legitimate shares of the company, the dividends he receives from the short seller do not qualify for favorable tax status as dividend income.

    "Dividends are NOT paid twice."

    No, they're not. The company only pays the current owner of shorted shares, not the lender. That's why the short seller is obligated to pay the dividend to the lender.

    "Investopedia is wrong, or your interpretation of Investipedia's post is wrong."

    No, quite obviously it is you who is wrong. You need to study up on how it really works.

  • cwn600 cwn600 Jul 14, 2014 2:14 PM Flag

    Standard procedure. When a company makes a distribution, whether in stock or cash, the net asset value of the company is instantly reduced by the value of the distribution. The closing price of the stock on the day before the ex-date is then marked down by the value of the distribution to reflect the reduction in value.

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