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dar200 415 posts  |  Last Activity: 5 hours ago Member since: Nov 16, 1998
  • Reply to

    Healthcare supplement 7

    by dar200 Jul 29, 2014 8:19 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 30, 2014 11:50 AM Flag

    I doubt we will see Healthcare or Manufactured Housing spun off for a long time. One of the requirements to get a tax free spinoff is you must hold a purchased business for at least 5 years. That rules out manufactured housing for another three years or so. I don't know how this rule works with components of the same business (healthcare properties). NRF has owned healthcare properties for as long as I can remember, which is more than 5 years. Yet they just bought a billion worth in May. I just don't know how the 5 yr rule works in such circumstances.

    If the 5 year rule is a problem with the equity reit assets, the way to solve the problem is to spin off the mortgage reit business, leaving NRF nothing but an equity reit.

    BTW, the management business did not have the 5 yr problem because it was not a purchased business. NRF started it from scratch, so it's exempt from the 5 yr rule.

  • Reply to

    net income down,SCCO lower a/h's

    by corolla1974 Jul 29, 2014 8:06 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 29, 2014 8:23 PM Flag

    Report was out before noon. Nothing scco can do about global price of copper.

  • Collected 369.2 million thru 7/25 vs 342.3 thru 6/27.....26.9 in 28 days.....ave of .961 per day.

    Yup, they had a big push at the end of June. Summer slowdown now.

  • Reply to

    OT WIN to spinoff a REIT

    by kenpalley2000 Jul 29, 2014 10:03 AM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 29, 2014 1:30 PM Flag

    One of the "we want the tax money NOW" arguments against c corps deducting dividends is too large a percentage go to tax exempt organizations......pension plans, 401(k)s, IRAs.....the tax gets deferred until paid out to the retiree.......plus the foundations never pay tax....that portion is lost forever. Gotta get a bite of the apple before it goes to tax exempt organizations.

    You have not heard him YET. Wait till AT&T and Verizon announce spinning their real estate assets into a reit.
    And it won't be an outright ban on reits. Just prohibit operating companies from separating their real estate assets into reits. It's just so smart it's unpatriotic.

  • Reply to

    divididiot delight

    by clamper69 Jul 28, 2014 10:13 AM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 29, 2014 11:29 AM Flag

    My scientific research on divididiots reveals they hibernate when the yield is below 4%, awaken at 4% and swarm quarterly when the yield exceeds 5%. Looks to me like another year or two of hibernation.

  • Reply to

    OT WIN to spinoff a REIT

    by kenpalley2000 Jul 29, 2014 10:03 AM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 29, 2014 10:37 AM Flag

    FTR got a nice pop this morning on the WIN news. It's a no-brainer to do the same thing.

    It's really running the same company by two different tax structures.... a C corp running the communications business paying qualifying dividends after corporate taxes and a REIT leasing the real estate assets to the operating company. The form diverts the cash flow supporting real estate to stockholders via a reit which does not pay corporate taxes provided it follows the rules. The downside is the reit dividend does not qualify for lower tax rates on qualified dividends. However, for even the highest bracket taxpayer the single reit system tax is lower than a combined C corp-qualifying dividend tax structure.

    Next comes the socialist pig calling for legislation to outlaw this tax saving structure, just like inversions.
    It just ain't patriotic to avoid taxes legally. After that speech comes the next golf game and fundraising tour.

  • Reply to

    Flipping NSAM for NRF

    by illuminati.investments Jul 28, 2014 12:34 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 28, 2014 2:57 PM Flag

    Nope. Not playing so far today.

    As to Aug calls.....remember, it goes ex div 50 cents before expiration and I think we will also get a follow-on before ex div.

  • Reply to

    new 17.8m mezz loan

    by octopusink Jul 27, 2014 4:50 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 28, 2014 10:34 AM Flag

    Clip from article:

    "The amount includes a $58 million senior construction loan from Chicago-based BMO Harris Bank. NorthStar Realty Finance of New York provided $17.8 million in mezzanine financing.

    Other equity partners in addition to Giarratana’s SoBro Development Co. (an affiliate formed in 2008 when Giarratana bought the land) include Wanxiang America Real Estate Group and Magellan Development. The trio comprises WMG Realty Holding Co. LLC and has about $12 million in equity in the project, which will carry a $90.8 million price tag. The partnership is getting from Metro about $3 million in tax increment financing related to parking for the addition of 150 public parking spaces."

    Pretty thin deal with only 12 million equity on 90.8 million project. I'm sure NRF is getting a pound of flesh for taking this risk, albeit a small one.

  • Reply to

    new 17.8m mezz loan

    by octopusink Jul 27, 2014 4:50 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 28, 2014 8:55 AM Flag

    Not sure which loan you are referring to. Income 2 recently made a 17.5 million loan to an apartment developer in Atlanta.

    This too small for NRF to issue 8-K or press release.

  • Reply to

    July 15 Short Interest Data For NRF and NSAM

    by newguy7001 Jul 24, 2014 5:48 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 24, 2014 7:37 PM Flag

    Well, the 6/30 pre-split/spin of 25.2 million became 12.6 million short of each. The July 15 settlement date has a 7/10 trade date cutoff.

    So, between 7/1 and 7/10, nsam had a net cover of 7.1 million, huge indeed, and likely a substantial support to the price. The next report may show if the current weakness in nsam is due to a net short instead of a net cover.

    As to nrf, 12.6 to 14.4 is a 1.8 million increase, a 14.3% increase. NRF must have a sweet smell.....like the Venus fly trap has. Suck 'em in and eat 'em up.

  • Collected thru 7/23.....158.2 million vs 154.3 thru 7/21.....3.9 million in 2 days, an average of 1.950 per day.
    Wish they could do this pace for the rest of the year.

    Supplement was filed to report a subordinate loan to an apartment developer......14% interest with 13% paid currently. Hey, Tony, nice loan.

  • Short sales of nsam were 280K today out of reported volume of 433K....an astounding 64.6%.

    Total volume today, including non-reporting exchanges, was 656K......so 280 (at a minimum) / 656 = 42.7% of total volume today was sold short.

    This is incredible. Despite a massive short effort, nsam closed up 3 cents today. Put another way, imagine what the increase would have been but for the massive short effort.

    This kind of shorting cannot last too long. Today won't show in tomorrow's short interest report, the first with nsam as a stand-alone.

  • Reply to

    Watching paint dry

    by dar200 Jul 23, 2014 4:09 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 23, 2014 4:10 PM Flag

    Speak of the devil:

    NEW YORK, July 23, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- NorthStar Realty Finance Corp. (NYSE: NRF) today announced that it will host a conference call to discuss second quarter 2014 financial results on Thursday, August 7, 2014 at 9:00 a.m. Eastern.

  • Boring day in nrf/nsam, as yesterday. Less than 1% between hod and lod for nrf.......1.28% for nsam, very low for nsam. Can't make flip and dinner money without volatility. Very low volumes.....looks like most are settled in waiting for next news.

    Speaking of next news, if we don't get an announcement very soon of an 8/1 earnings release date, my thinking will change to 8/8. If so, no surprise as the 6/30 closing is important to get the nsam spin as precise as possible. Extra work = more time needed and number of hands and heads involved is finite.

  • Reply to

    prediction for NSAM

    by kenpalley2000 Jul 23, 2014 1:07 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 23, 2014 3:54 PM Flag

    Don't hold your breath, Wilson Silence = no deal. You will only get an "update" if a deal is made. Hamo walked.
    He is not the type to engage in endless negotiations. Fish or cut bait. Agree on dealbreakers first. No need to waste time on the finer points when the big ones have not been agreed upon. That possible deal is long in the past.

  • Reply to

    calling all drip-ers

    by saacoo3 Jul 23, 2014 2:51 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 23, 2014 3:45 PM Flag

    I checked my accounts at Fidelity and treatment of dividends is unchanged. I drip in the small IRAs and take cash in the big accounts.

    Both securities are new additions to your accounts.....nrf because it is a new cusip. Old nrf merged into nrfc sub-reit which then changed its name to the same as the old nrf. So the nrf you just got in exchange for old nrf is a new addition to your account, as is nsam.

    When you change the treatment of a dividend, you have an additional option at the bottom of the page to instruct Fidelity on all future new positions in the account. This sets a default. It appears your default on new positions is set to cash even though you were dripping old nrf.

  • Collected 154.3 million thru 7/21 vs 144.8 thru 7/8......so, 9.5 million in 13 days, an average of .731 per day.

    Only fair.....maybe entering the summer doldrums. People on vacation ain't sitting with registered reps peddling nontraded reits.

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    by caleagle2000 Jul 22, 2014 5:52 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 22, 2014 7:49 PM Flag

    Nov 6.

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    'HTB' Designation On NRF At Schwab Again Today

    by newguy7001 Jul 21, 2014 2:19 PM
    dar200 dar200 Jul 21, 2014 2:54 PM Flag

    Fidelity has over 9 million available with no htb designation. NSAM....over 13 million available.

  • MS just reported owning 9.341 million shares of NRF.....5.1%.

    At 3/31 it owned 12.6 million pre split shares which equates to 6.3 million post split.

    So, MS added 3 million nrf since 3/31.

    No similar report on NSAM as of a few minutes ago.

    Once 6/30 ownership is reported by 8/15 we can determine if big MS addition came after spin.

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