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Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. Message Board

dar200 121 posts  |  Last Activity: 14 hours ago Member since: Nov 16, 1998
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    One week to proxy deadline

    by dar200 Apr 22, 2016 11:29 AM
    dar200 dar200 Apr 23, 2016 1:45 PM Flag

    I'm not suggesting changing management, especially Hamo. Hamo should be the only employee director and NOT the chairman. No reason for Tylis to be a director. Kick the rubber stamp directors out. We need truly independent directors and NO director of any company should be a director of any other company in the group, except Hamo who should not be chairman.

    We need to get the inside employees compensated like employees, not royalty looting the treasuries. Yup, if they don't like the pay they can quit. The lawyers will remind them of their noncompete contracts.

  • Reply to

    Yield over 5%

    by dar200 Apr 21, 2016 3:32 PM
    dar200 dar200 Apr 22, 2016 1:06 PM Flag

    An easy, next-day 2% flip.

  • Reply to

    One week to proxy deadline

    by dar200 Apr 22, 2016 11:29 AM
    dar200 dar200 Apr 22, 2016 12:50 PM Flag

    Meeting won't be until the end of May. I doubt any kind of a deal will be on the original proxy statement but I suppose there is time to send out special notice of a deal for a vote at the annual meeting. I too am opposed to a recombination as that would have nsam cad trading at nrf multiples. Besides, a price which will satisfy nsam shareholders will be too expensive in nrf stock at the current price. Conversly, a recombo via stock for stock which satisfies nrf shareholders will be unacceptable by nsam shareholders.

  • NRF and NSAM, in their 10-Ks, said management compensation would be disclosed on or before the deadline for filing proxy statements which is 120 days following year end. This year, the 120th day is April 29, a Friday.
    As long as the proxy is filed at or before 5:30 pm edt, it is considered filed that day by the SEC. Any filing after 5:30 pm is considered filed the next sec business day.

    My guess is they both file on 4/29 at about 5:15 pm edt, about 15 minutes before the deadline and after most have left the office to start the weekend. I can't wait to vote.

  • Last hour looks like nre is throwing us a finger (just like management).

  • Down over 6% in 2 days on all of a 13 basis point increase in 10-yr treasury yield.

    Any cost under 68.80 yields more than 5% on an 86 cent per Q dividend. It's even better than that since more than 2/3 of the May dividend has already accreted.

    To me, a buying opportunity, so I did. Will flip for a fast 2% or hold for decent dividend.

  • Reply to

    kind of hard to believe share price

    by ruswise Apr 21, 2016 10:03 AM
    dar200 dar200 Apr 21, 2016 10:22 AM Flag

    Yeah, nrf is only down 21% (price only) ytd from down 45%. Management is lining up for more bonuses for increasing shareholder value.

  • dar200 dar200 Apr 13, 2016 4:23 PM Flag

    Well, an accredited investor should know that the 29 nav was replaced with a 25 nav on 2/26/16. If you paid UBS for that "exclusive" report within the past 5 weeks, I suggest you ask for your money back. Maybe you should repeat Accreditation 101. It teaches how to keep up to date.

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    by cwebjohn Apr 6, 2016 9:33 AM
    dar200 dar200 Apr 6, 2016 11:38 AM Flag

    I suspect opening pop sp00ked some shorts into covering which intensified the early spike. When the covering shorts finished, new shorting and profit-takers took over.

    The reason one word is spelled with zeros instead of the correct lower case letters is the censors at Yahoo won't allow the word even though the context contains no racial connotation whatsoever. It is a classic example of the evils of censorship. Shame on Yahoo.

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    by going_broke_fast Apr 1, 2016 10:09 PM
    dar200 dar200 Apr 2, 2016 12:45 PM Flag

    Fidelity got it right the first time. Took until the middle of March, but they got it right.

  • Reply to

    Was ex div yesterday?

    by kenpalley2000 Mar 30, 2016 11:29 AM
    dar200 dar200 Mar 30, 2016 11:58 AM Flag


  • Reply to

    Huge demand for new shares

    by dar200 Mar 24, 2016 9:21 AM
    dar200 dar200 Mar 29, 2016 4:26 PM Flag

    Option was exercised in full.

    Original proforma acquisition balance sheet assumed raising 250 million in this offering and borrowing 67 million on the line of credit to close the deal. This offering will net about 385 million to sui after underwriter discount and offering expenses. So, they have an extra 135 million which eliminates 67 million of loc borrowing and they have 68 million left over which they can use to futher reduce debt.

    Obviously, the market likes this acquisition.

  • Reply to

    New presentation materials

    by dar200 Mar 11, 2016 2:45 PM
    dar200 dar200 Mar 28, 2016 4:18 PM Flag

    I paid 26.897 per share for the 6/4 /10 lot. Fidelity reduces basis by the roc portion of the dividends. They take aggregate roc dividend dollars for the entire year and allocate that to the shares owned at 12/31. They do not allocate any roc dollars to shares sold during the year (thus increasing recognized gain). When the yield was much higher I flipped sui to "capture" shortly before the ex date and sell shortly after. Thus this lot got allocated roc dollars on shares I sold, but I'm too lazy to find out how much. So I'll use cost and aggregate dividends.

    On this lot I have collected 15 dividends at 63 cents = 9.45 and 9 dividends at 65 cents = 5.85 totaling 15.30 in dividends plus 70.04 closing price on the date I posted = future value of 85.34 in 5.75 years from a present value of 26.987 = an average annual compounded return on investment of 22.239%.

    BTW, the 6/4/10 lot is not my lowest tax basis lot. It is simply my oldest remaining lot.

    I agree that the price appreciation is much more due to multiple growth than on income/ffo/affo/cad per share growth. I do recall the market reacting very positively to announced steps sui took to decrease leverage. That's when the yield came way down.

    Now it's time for Shiffman to put meaningful increases in per share affo on the table and increase the dividend by meaningful percentages much more frequently than in the past 15 years. I think the scale of the added investments in the past few years, including the pending big one should produce those increases.

  • Reply to

    Secondary offering

    by chickemmen2002 Mar 27, 2016 4:48 AM
    dar200 dar200 Mar 28, 2016 1:30 PM Flag

    It is not a secondary offering. It is a follow-on offering. Look 'em up so you can learn the difference.

    While it is correct that dividends from reits on which no income tax was paid at the entity level does not qualify for special tax rates, any such dividend is taxable only to the extent of current or accumulated earnings and profits (a modified form of taxable income) taxable income (hence the aggregate dividend) is reduced by depreciation, a non-cash expense. Hence, growing reits like sui frequently have cash income exceeding taxable income which enables them to pay return of capital dividends which are not currently taxable but reduce stock basis. Thus, these are tax deferred dividends. Plus roc dividends produce long term capital gains on stock held more than one year before it is sold. In addition, reduced basis stock gets a step up in basis at death. Then income tax deferred dividends become income tax free dividends.

    When you learn more about tax law you might favor dividends from equity reits.

  • dar200 dar200 Mar 25, 2016 3:49 PM Flag

    Thanks. NASDAQ website does not show 3/15 number yet.

    A couple have noted very high daily short sale ratios on this and the IV boards. Looks like a whole bunch were not same-day covering daytraders or dealers.

    If and when NRF restarts stock buybacks in ernest instead of lip service, there are a lot more to get shaken into covering.

  • dar200 dar200 Mar 25, 2016 1:40 PM Flag

    Please give us the numbers backing your "up 97%" statement.

  • Reply to

    nre rumor

    by octopusink Mar 24, 2016 12:29 PM
    dar200 dar200 Mar 24, 2016 2:17 PM Flag

    Their appraisal said the fmv of the non-core properties was 627 million at 12/31 so I doubt they are selling those for 1 billion........a 59% increase from 12/31. I also doubt all of those would be sold in one deal as they are too diverse geographically.

    Nevertheless, I have no doubt they are trying to convert non-core properties into stock buybacks. Don't know if NRE is at the plate today but am confident they will be there no later than Monday.

  • Reply to

    Sellers had artificial help

    by dar200 Mar 23, 2016 6:32 PM
    dar200 dar200 Mar 24, 2016 11:56 AM Flag

    I answered very early this morning, but of course Yahoo deleted the post because it referred to another website. See IV board where they do not censor posts.

  • Big upsize in offering. Option will be exercised due to demand. Price up in premarket.

    I called Fidelity to ask them to get me some offering shares. Sorry, sold out. You have to buy in open market.

  • Short ratios on reported volume:

    NRF 53.2%

    NSAM 57%

    Hard to go green with that kind of a short push.

    NRE did it all by itself....only 16.1% short.

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