I can't stress enough by the way, we hear about the "hunt for yield" like it is an undercurrent, but if you talk to anyone who is actually a conduit for real investment it is everything right now. It is why otherwise weak soverigns have been propped up. Real estate markets are seeing a move into non-core assets. Good dividend paying consumer staple stocks are off the chart. The way our pension acconting works forces these entitie to go after yield or recognize massive, massive shortfalls. Like I said, this still seems to be in early stages, which means it can be ridden for a good while yet, but it is subject to factors other than fundamentals that are impossible to predict.
Okay, I know, add me to the long list of naysayers. I wouldn't be that surprised to see the market keep chugging along, and see plenty of reasonable valuations on individual names and sectors, but it was too much for me today. I am sticking with some aapl and some spy puts, and that is it for the time being. I am open to opportunities if they come along, but could also see me at 100% cash or close to it if I get some lucky bounces. I feel pretty naked about the whole thing, but the fact is, not being a money manager sure takes the pressure off... you don't have to have money at work at all times, and I feel like a break is well deserved. At least I am not throwing in the towel at 800 on the s&p a few years back or something...
Some of the things contributing to this other than overall antigravity of the market... The swing in treasuries in recent weeks, 10 year going from 2.0 or so to 1.6 or so and back, almost independent from anything else. Yen broke out to new lows with no end in sight, and really don't see where the end game is for that. Yen and other central bank factors are also contributing to aparent euro stability, bottom fishing in Greek bonds, etc. Hope the euro zone is actually on the verge of turning the corner, but so far the data says otherwise. China is also a tough call. Status quo could continue, but I am more comfortable when I am going against the grain, and most important the usual hedges are just not working. Bonds are in no mans land, defensive sectors are crazy expensive, inflation hedges are broken...
Credit is startng to flow freely again, could be the start of a few qarters of crazy credit expansion, especially for corporates, or we could be in for a jolt much sooner than that.. In sum, seems like a fine time to make some money, but I am tired and taking a break. GLTA
You would actually be credited with the $125 in wat you describe. And keep in mind you would need to keep substantial capital for margin requirements. And if you want to make sure you dont get forced out at a loss you would want to keep double or triple the margin requirement... so yeah it is basically like owning the common...
Too funny, another MB poster who predicts doom for weeks straight and then after the fact claims to be long going in to a 25% pop...right.
And by the way, your option strategy is about as "cheap" as actually being long the stock. It may take less capital up front than buying the stock, but you are still on the hook for all losses.
Have to say I am curious what happened to this bunch. Their ring leaders Antar and longshorttrader have gotten pretty quiet. And nothing from the many other SA contributors who disclosed their shorts and claimed fraud, or at least shady accounting. I'm assuming they all covered or they would still be writing...
Obviously there is no such thing as a sure thing, but this trading action looked awfully familiar, albeit more exagerated after such a massive gap up. The last couple of gaps up looked awfully similar. The usual characters came out and said too far too fast when we were in the 30s and again in the 50s. Both times we saw a cascade of buying and covering. The daily action was so consistent, dip on the open, then firms up, and pops into the afternoon peaking aroung 2:30 - 3:30. Every single day... Monday will be all important. it is the third day after the ER, margin calls are coming in. Should add a couple more dollars of upside, and that in itself is adding more calls into the mix... I hope for the longs another massive squeeze, but I wish you better luck in calling the top than I had. I like MWs post earlier about writing a call and buying an out o the money put to try to split the difference on calling a top... Good luck all
You stick with it over the weekend or cover rurkey? I have watched you trade this succesffully maybe dozens of times, but I think you jumped the gun on this one. Although if history is any guide you will hve the chance to cover monday AM, but AM onl
Haven't had time to go through in detail, but initial reaction is wow. So that is the caveat, but for longs that are in it, I say enjoy the squeeze. Not that the short thesis wasn't dead last Q, but there are still 30 mil + that hung in there and rockstars like einhorn will be called on to answer for their calls. He was sounding very humble at the conference tonight (well after he would have seen the gmcr action by the way). After the last Q about all he had to say was that earnings "quality was poor", well, what will it be this time? If he doesn't come out and defend, which I don't think he will, the squeeze will be even harder. Best thing for him would be to chalk it up to low coffee prices, a little luck, and a new ceo, and cover, but we'll see.
Poor guy at Stifel upped his guidance (basicallyy up to management's raised guidance) and maintained his sell... I have never seen a sell rating with so many positives... He has to get over his lack of beleif in the model and accept that if he is raising estimates at this point the least he could do is go to a hold until the price reflects those estimates (which they may tomorrow, but way too late for him).
Will post a few more observations and opinions, but nobody should take my word for anything. I have been trading GMCR for a long time, but incorretly sold out at 55... not sorry or anything, was happy with a very brutal but very profitable trade to the depths, but yeah, not surprised to see 70s in the making either.
You will just have to see where it opens, the AH price is not a good indicator. Things seem in your favor t do well on this lottery ticket, but when the volatility is sucked out tomorrow you are really only left with the intrinsic value... good luck
Heh, you got another paycheck to bet on puts? I thought we got rid of you once in for all...
Saw a "coming soon" in the grocery store for knock off Peet k-cups. Anybody know who is making these for Peet? I can't imagine they are actually trying to manufacture on their own... Peet is probably kicking themselves for not staying in the bidding for ddrx back in the day...
Yeah good point, it is possible the orders and ordering trends could appear soft even though the channels have been better managed from the company's perspective. Those two perspectives could mismatch pretty significantly. Although you would really think the excess inventory would have resulted in weak orders... but yeah, it is really hard to game it, especially in any given quarter. I have gone in circles plenty of times over the past few years trying to think these things through.
Lots of activity from nervous bears tonight. Meanwhile the market has caught on that market share is not the issue anymore. Growth is growth regardless of share. Aapl was never going to be in the business of selling low end, low margin $200 tablets. It's like the new tech bubble, these other companies are going to somehow make money by not making money on the hardware, sure... What the market has caught on to is that aapl is now effectively yielding ~8%. I'll take that in exchange for seeing where this ecosyste takes us in three years...
Don't think anybody mentioned here that short interest dipped 2 mil shares as of 4/15. Have to say I don't mind seeing some dispirited shorts throw in the towel. Don't get me wrong, still 30 mil lefto go, but a positive development to see shorts turn into the buy on dips crowd. So much or them being the "smart" money...
Good post dd, and have to agree on pretty much all points. One thing I don't understand is that Seth has said here and in other forums that the comps from last year are really tough based on his channel data / methods, but I don't see how that is possible. This quarter last year there were a lot of issues as you point out, and unfortunately they were management's making. Not even a fundamental end user / sales problem, just poor forecasting and seemingly losing grasp of the business led to major discounting, product in marshalls and other jobbers, invenstory write-off, etc. I guess to Seth's point they may have moved a lot of product, but it was beccause they had too much and t came at a major cost to all of us. Still burns me a little to think about how badly the conference call went. Management sounded like they had just found out that afternoon that the quarter didn't go wellit was as bad as they come... But, they clearly pulled it together and got the message. Things got much tighter in each of the two calls that followed, and Blanford went out on a high note. Reporting was better with the inventory detail, forecasting seems more reliable, and the proof is in the recent performance and the abundant anecdotal evidence that the channels are being managed well. Kelley is rationalizing production now... We may be seeing some additional knock-offs, but as has been discussed extensively they are clearly inferior and have not eroded pricing margins nearly at all.
I didn't read into the sbux numbers much, but yeah that is a surprisingly big number. So surprising the market clearly didn't know how to digest it, probably had the same reaction I do of needing to go look at that ER again... Bigger picture it is funny to think sbux is a $45B co that earned $1.4B last year, and what a little over 2B in EBITDA last year? I don't know the forward expectation, but enough to justify a 45B valuation, really? I would much rather have the dominant single serve platform than a bunch of coffee shops. I have huge respect for Shultz coming back and reviving the brand and the co. but the valuation is insane. I'm not advocating getting short here, but if the coffee price trend reverses in the next few seasons the trade will be brutal.
Yes, interesting to know you did jump back in a bit. I go around in circles on it. Do expect a solid quarter, and as always there are plenty of caalysts to look for on the call or otherwise. I will have to assess the trading headed into the ER though, if it doesn't run may get a bit long, but we'lll see. Even with the positives I fully expect it is just not the same nobrainer for me it was the last few times around. Currently abut 20% in cash, so have some flexibility, but not a ton...
Good analogy on aapl, I don't expect them to ever get the respect (multiple) they deserve, but for a long term holding that is pretty irrelevant, they can return the actual cash flow in divis and buybacks. I expect they will still be in fine shape after returning 200B to investors over the next 5-6 years. And at this multiple the buy back makes sense, but wouldn't have minded seeing a big one time special divi, a 100B reduction in the market cap via a divi would bump the yield well over 4%.
I don't think we are there yet, big talk of international launches that is. The next phase of this is rationalizing production, product lines, and sales channels get the best pricing and the lowest cost we can. Together with modest top lin growth can keep adding solidly to EPS... If people start banking on vague "international growth" it would be a potential negative for me, like what people have said about mnst for the past couple of years. I do think there are some attractive markets, maybe Brazil, and a few others. Don't see us getting a good enough foothold in espresso drinking europe. China could definitely see some westernized or chic consumers taking interest, but it is obviously not for the masses there... We'll see though, obviously some incremental opportunities, but bank on doubling EPS from domestic initiatives first.
Yeah, nothing huge today, but no caution flags is a win for gmcr, and has been for the past how ever many months. I still say more efficient opertions, rationalizing the product portfoio, and targeted marketing are the incremental gains we will see in the next 6 to 12 months. I do beleive this q will put up a solid number and outlook, but how the market will react is a mystery for me at the moment.
Hey Squeeze, you go long again? I am still flat from a couple dollars or so ago. Tried and failed at getting clever about calling a top. If the IV gets up there going in to the ER I may write some puts or look at some calendar spreads, but I don't think the controversy is really there this time.
In the meantime am in aapl in a big way, traded the last couple of pops, and doubled down when 400 broke... We'll see what happens, but at this price and with this buyback why own the market when you can just own aapl? Couple of small cap names with nice valuations and big buybacks too... just offcially caught a double in lgf, valuation may be getting up there, but I love their franchises and management. Got killed on the gld and auy though... Been a busy spring! Hope you were bigger than ever on fio headed into that ER!