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The Hain Celestial Group, Inc. Message Board

dogma_blade 49 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 1, 2015 2:49 PM Member since: Feb 16, 2010
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  • Reply to

    no one even mentions Brasil

    by stopthecrazeness May 3, 2015 9:26 AM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade May 4, 2015 11:28 AM Flag

    the country has 26 states 2 of them, So Paolo and Rio account for half of the countries population.

    You did not address the 2 biggest questions from my post.

    Where did you come up With Latco being the biggest distributor in south America. ROFLMAO

    The second of course is did you see any mention of Celsius at all on the company web site?

    Let me guess a trillion cases a quarter by the time the Olympics hit?

  • Reply to

    fraud/scam?

    by shitamar Apr 29, 2015 9:05 AM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 29, 2015 11:09 AM Flag

    After the inspection they were willing to buy in at ,89 per share. Hmmmm

    Something to ponder

  • Reply to

    Celsius doesn't use independent auditors????

    by jacolyn5w Apr 13, 2015 2:56 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 27, 2015 11:35 PM Flag

    I don't own JSDA.

    You have posted on the JSDA board more in the last month more than I have in the last year.

    This all started when I asked about one of your lies

  • Reply to

    Celsius doesn't use independent auditors????

    by jacolyn5w Apr 13, 2015 2:56 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 27, 2015 5:28 PM Flag

    Why would I short if I thought the pump was still in play.

    Do most people on the board respond the childish I dare ya I dare ya posts?

  • Reply to

    Beverage Industry Price to Sales = 60.79x

    by dubaitrader75 Apr 25, 2015 4:23 AM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 27, 2015 2:28 PM Flag

    What the hell are you smoking ?

    In what universe are the beverage industry price to sales ratio 60.98 ?

    My contention has nothing to do with peg, velocity, growth percentage or whatever sales pitch you are supporting, my point is very simple. The beverage industry price to sales ratio is nowhere near 60.98.

    If you want to contend the sugar water is the fountain of youth, reverses hair loss or works better than viagra, i do not care.

    My point was simple your number about the average proice sales ratio is wrong by such a magnitude as to appear foolish.

  • Reply to

    Celsius doesn't use independent auditors????

    by jacolyn5w Apr 13, 2015 2:56 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 27, 2015 2:22 PM Flag

    What I am missing?

    My posts have not changed in the least.

    From my first post I have contended that this is a traditional pump and dump play.

    All I have done is lay out a pssible timeline and point out that if you want to try and take advantage of the hype make sure you are not the last one left holding the stock.

    You are truly a class a narcissistic d-bag without a clue.

  • Reply to

    Russell Simmons

    by john_johnsot Feb 22, 2015 7:05 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 27, 2015 2:19 PM Flag

    There is no contract in writing anywhere and a good chunk of the cash went to debt.

  • Reply to

    Celsius doesn't use independent auditors????

    by jacolyn5w Apr 13, 2015 2:56 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 27, 2015 1:32 PM Flag

    Carl Desantis from Rexal Sundown did not start the company.

    It was founded by Steve Haley, dropped right after going public, but had a run up in 2009 when they borrowed money and increased distribution nationwide.Sales rose, but the were unable to keep the accounts and sales dropped along with the stock.

    In 2012 Carl Desantis who had lent the company the money to ramp up used the debt to forced Steve Haley out and had him replaced at the top.

    The company appears to be ramping up the distribution again.If you look at the fourth quarter numbers, while they reported a profit and the cash number was pretty stable in comparison to last year, the telling number about expenses for the year was that the note payable to a related party (borrowed money) rose 3 million from the prior year.That means it cost a few bucks to get the sales moving up.

    The good news is that the revenue number for the first quarter should show strong growth on initial shipments and the capital infusion should help the company to pay slotting fees to open more accounts in the second quarter. In addition since the investment deal was done in the second quarter many unsophisticated investors will not know about the doubling of shares (making the company worth about 115 million at current price) until after the second quarter numbers are reported.

    That has made this a pretty good looking short term momentum pump . I am not sure how long it will run, but am pretty sure people are not going to want to be in the stock at the end of the year. Take advantage of the play but don't be the last one left standing when the music stops.

  • Reply to

    My physician recommended USAT at 11 cents

    by markzenr Apr 26, 2015 5:03 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 27, 2015 9:22 AM Flag

    Are you calling markzenr stupid for listening to press releases instead of looking at the numbers?

    That is not very nice!

    On the bright side after 2 years of reporting a profit it appears the next step is cash flow positive. It does not appear as if there will be a problem reaching that as the sales growth has held up pretty well and the installed base and network continue to become a larger percentage of total revenue.

  • Reply to

    My physician recommended USAT at 11 cents

    by markzenr Apr 26, 2015 5:03 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 27, 2015 9:16 AM Flag

    A little early to the party , but it did turn out to be true. the company turned out to be profitable for the last 2 years

  • Reply to

    My physician recommended USAT at 11 cents

    by markzenr Apr 26, 2015 5:03 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 26, 2015 8:31 PM Flag

    Out of curiosity, what made you think that USAT was "on the verge of profitability ? In 2010 as they lost 14.5 million in 2009 and 12.3 million in 2010.That seems pretty far from profitable considering the revenue the company was getting at the time. It did take a few more years before the company became profitable.

    2011-(7,122,644)
    2012-(5,875,690)
    2013-189,671

    Now that it has posted a profit for 2 years the company is getting closer to a more important threshold,becoming cash flow positive.

    As long as the revenue continues to grow at a healthy clip it does not seem to be that far off.

  • Reply to

    Beverage Industry Price to Sales = 60.79x

    by dubaitrader75 Apr 25, 2015 4:23 AM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 25, 2015 7:20 PM Flag

    Winna Winna chicken diner, all his followers win, everyone else loses.

    His mommy and parole officer will both vouch for him.

  • Reply to

    Beverage Industry Price to Sales = 60.79x

    by dubaitrader75 Apr 25, 2015 4:23 AM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 25, 2015 5:31 PM Flag

    Sorry,

    I was on another board where baldingc was claiming that Celsius had been profitable for the past 8 years.When I called him out on it he attacked me and told me to watch the fantastic Russel Simmons interview. So I watched the video, looked up terms of the deal and posted them.

    I find it funny that I was the only person on the board that wrote about the actual terms of the agreement and you are calling the posts negative.

    Some times facts can get in the way of a good story.All that i posted was that people should enjoy any momentum from the big push that is likely to come and not be the last one holding the bag if the company cannot keep the shelf space it is likely to buy. After all that is just what happened the last time the company stuffed the channel.

  • Reply to

    Beverage Industry Price to Sales = 60.79x

    by dubaitrader75 Apr 25, 2015 4:23 AM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 25, 2015 3:12 PM Flag

    Great sales pitch, but it has nothing to do with the first post and my response.

    The person who started this thread claimed "Beverage Industry Price to Sales = 60.79x"

    that was the starting point for his price expansion argument on the stock.

    Do you agree with the argument that the "Beverage Industry Price to Sales = 60.79x" or not.?

    If you believe that then there is nothing that can be done to help.If you see how off that is there should not have any issue with my post.

    I am rather surprised people got upset when I pointed out how many new shares were issued in the deal and at what price, after all knowing that information will help people figure out the best value for the stock.The only people who would be upset are rah rah momentum traders who are looking forward to the run up as the press releases fly about the new placements fly as the company pays slotting fees to get on the shelf of new retailers.

  • Reply to

    Beverage Industry Price to Sales = 60.79x

    by dubaitrader75 Apr 25, 2015 4:23 AM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 25, 2015 10:10 AM Flag

    What are you smoking price to sales and pe are 2 completely different things
    Monster ps=9.68 one of the highest in the industry
    Coke ps=3.87
    Pep ps=2.13
    Fizz ps=1.65
    Celh ps when including the new stock issued in deal= 6

    If a price sales of 60 were the norm Jone soda with sales of 13.6 million would be worth 816 million instead of the 13.7 million it is worth.

    If Pepsi had a valuation 60 time sales forget about Apple being the first company to reach the trillion dollar valuation, Pepsi would already be worth 4 trillion. LOL

  • Reply to

    sigh, i guess it can go down a tiny bit more

    by netprophecy2 Apr 23, 2015 3:00 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 25, 2015 9:49 AM Flag

    I bought at under 2 and got out over 7 and my new position has and average price of 4.51 and I have missed 2 good chances to exit the stock as a trade, but none of that really should matter to anyone else on an anonymous board.

    My take is relatively simple, the last 4 times the stock has dropped a rather large amount it was caused by 2 issues, twice it was issues at the factory and twice it was shortfalls in store brand sales.

    Since the store brand sales have been shrinking as a percentage of sales and were the largest in the fourth quarter all the company needs to do is sustain the branded growth at 15% or higher and have a few bucks drop to the bottom line'

    I am not worried about the soda products and as long as the Kombucha , which grew at 30% last quarter settles into the 15 to 20% growth rate the stock should do fine.

  • Reply to

    Russel Simmons deal

    by dogma_blade Apr 24, 2015 1:11 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 24, 2015 1:59 PM Flag

    Yes he did fool.
    They received 17,921,348 shares, at 2.47 the holding is valued at 44,265729.
    Yahoo had the value of the company before the shares are added at 45.5 5 million.

    Add the 2 together and the stock in the company is valued between 89 and 90 million,with the new investor group holding in the high 40% range of the stock.

    This of course does not take into account outstanding options or convertibles.

  • Reply to

    Russel Simmons deal

    by dogma_blade Apr 24, 2015 1:11 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 24, 2015 1:33 PM Flag

    Free? Free? HaHaHa he just got almost 50% of the company at a 60% discount. He is the majority holder.

    In addition there is no mention in the contract of a work contract between him in the company.

    If you mean he is going to tweet to his followers, well golly gee give him another 10 million shares.

    As I said before enjoy the momentum , if there is any, while they pay slotting fees and stuff the retail channels,

    Just don't lose out on musical chairs if the slots don't stick.

    I do not care whether you take me seriously or not as I have no stake in the stock, but you seem to be upset that I have disclosed the price of the stock in the deal. It is up to people reading the post to decide if they think it is a good deal or not based on the price.

  • dogma_blade by dogma_blade Apr 24, 2015 1:11 PM Flag

    enjoy the momentum run and then take a look at the deal.

    Russel and co received 17,921,398 shares at the price of .89 each, a 60% discount to the current price.

    Take the momentum as they stuff the channel with product, but don't catch a knife on the way down if the slots don't stick.

  • Reply to

    jsda v celh, a case study in investing

    by baldingcontrarian Apr 11, 2015 9:46 PM
    dogma_blade dogma_blade Apr 24, 2015 11:54 AM Flag

    Was it a mistake or a lie?

    You seem to be bothered by being called out for a blatant lie?

    Yes I would love the deal Russel Simmons just got!

    There is a reason that it was not outlined in the press release.

    They received 17,921,348 shares at the price of .89 each, along one party to the deal getting 5 million worth of preferred with dividends convertible to common stock at .89.

    On day 1 Russel Simmons shares are worth over 44 million at the market price of 2.50.

    What a genius he is up about 29 million almost 200% on day 1.

    The company really served it's common shareholders well in the deal, or did they serve them up?

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