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Pacific Ethanol, Inc. (PEIX) Message Board

elahens 76 posts  |  Last Activity: Jan 30, 2015 11:57 AM Member since: Sep 27, 2006
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  • elahens elahens Jan 30, 2015 11:57 AM Flag

    Yes, this is a good number after the dip in October.
    VLO Net profit margin is 46cents after 37cents operating cost which includes 4cents depreciation.

    ;Assuming VLO gross 87c /gallon and 47c cost ( inlc 14c depreciation ) for PEIX, then they would net 40c per gallon .
    times 50m gallons = $20M; Minus $4m corporate = $16M.
    $16M over 25m shares = 64cents

  • elahens by elahens Jan 27, 2015 3:27 PM Flag

    To get a sense for the decision. Someone commented Pfizer 'coming back' to acquire teva. seems like a big deal for them

    Sentiment: Buy

  • Multiple by a 'round factor of 4' to see that there is a margin to export to Brazil.

    Brazilian ethanol prices out of plant doors.
    Weekly Average Price in cash* - FUEL ETHANOL
    Date Anhydrous US$/liter Hydrous US$/liter
    01/23/2015 0.5618 0.5223
    01/16/2015 0.5517 0.4862
    01/09/2015 0.5304 0.4775
    01/02/2015 0.5351 0.4771
    12/26/2014 0.5360 0.4770

    Sentiment: Buy

  • Reply to

    If GEVO was about EBIT breakeven in November

    by left2rightdoor Jan 12, 2015 10:25 PM
    elahens elahens Jan 22, 2015 1:59 PM Flag

    R&D is one step, Licensing is a second step, Building a new plant or extension to an existing plant is a 3rd step, Volume Contract is a fourth step.
    Dollar investments varies depending on what the step is.

    Old cash burn rate as stated in Jan 20th suggest that they used $8-8.75M out of the $14M (3Q). SO there is $6M in the kitty If there was No $ Income from any 4Q contract/special sales...

    Sentiment: Buy

  • o Production rate 979K barrels per day, up 1K from last week. Cumulative rate for 4week at 977Kbpd which 9.7% year-to-year
    o Refiner Demand 837K up 15Kbpd from last week. This leaves 142Kbpd or 934K Refiner demand. Now see below.
    o Total Inventory at 20.4m up 200K from 20.2M last week. Since Only 200K went into Inventory, EXPORT
    must have take 734,000 Barrels in one week ( 934K extra production minus 200K = 734K; Times 42= 30.8Million Gallons)

    Inventory Status Comments:
    Gasoline Refiner Total demand UP 6% ( economy is humming) while Ethanol Mix is 4.17%!!!

    East PAD added 400K ... 2014 was a meager storage level due to drought; 2015 still below 2013 level by 400K. So given the high level of gasoline refiner needs and Winter, East Pad OK.

    Midwest added 200K at 7.1M and is 600K above 2013 level. Midwest getting ready for more export?

    Gulf down down 200K at 3.8M sill up from 2013 level 3.2M

    West coast at 2.3M way below 2.9M level of 2013. West coast is still tight.


    Sentiment: Buy

  • Reply to

    If GEVO was about EBIT breakeven in November

    by left2rightdoor Jan 12, 2015 10:25 PM
    elahens elahens Jan 22, 2015 1:17 PM Flag

    I just read the Jan 20th Status UPDATE. So wanted to check back here on 4Q expectations.
    1. In prior statement, GEVO stated that they reached plant level EBIT in Nov, with 50K iso production.
    2. Now they stated that December ended with rate of 75,000-100,000.
    3. Have enough in the tank to keep shipping to existing customers but MAY SWITCH to 4 fermenters running ethanol.
    4. CREATED a path fromethanol to hydrocarbons. this could lead an ethanol producer to buy
    out GEVO ( get a plant and all the technology!!!)

    They cut R&D headcount (as Predicted) by $3m/quarter,
    but in the process also gave cash burn rate of $1.50 -$1.75M/month....
    Given 4Q numbers, this might take them to June.

    So a Licensing Contract is needed to shore up cash. Or a take-over offer from an ethanol producer.


    Sentiment: Buy

  • Reply to

    Highlands LOI

    by minnesotahuntersucksweiners Jan 15, 2015 8:37 PM
    elahens elahens Jan 16, 2015 9:33 AM Flag

    This is a monthly running rate; metering a process flow that they are optimizing.
    News like a 'super bug' ( generate more sugar, faster) ,
    or a second vat (my word) to brew the stuff...

    The question becomes how close are they to100K/monthvs 50K per month. Remember, their goal is 200k-300K/month in 2015.

  • Two Notes on Inventory:
    1. The Bump in Inventory is mostly explainedby the Regional coastal PADs being cautious
    about possible Transport snafus. Load up the tanks while the trains are running.
    East took on an extra 500K, Gulf an extra 300K, West an Extra 200K.
    Tanl Levels are still below 2013 ( when corn was plenty) but above 2014 levels(when corn harvest was from a drought summer).
    Midwest PADwas flat week-to-week but enough to meet EXPORT demand for January.

    2. Will Export come thru?
    Yes, once a refiner swich mixture, they will not shut down the refinery to reconfigure.
    They will pay less.

    But also on the Export horizon:

    Brazil had usually placed a cap on gasoline and ethanol is a fixed percentage of the gasoline price.

    Over the last month, with all the currency variations, the priceof ethanol in Brazil has been in the $US .53c range perliter or $2.10'ish per Gallon!

    Brazilneedsto keep inflation down. So importing fuel at a cheaper cost is part of the equation.
    Gasoline import is certainly cheaper, but depending on far out is Petrobas order book and hedge book is at, gasoline prices stayed up in the last 30-60 days.

    Brazil uses Flex Fuel vehicles, so they can easily go up the ethanol mixture, just by adjusting prices. US cheap ethanol can fiil-er up!
    In December, Brazil ethanol disappearance was 2.2b liters. At that rate ( about 12+%).
    I copy :"Of the ethanol volumes sold in December 2014, 2.09 billion liters went toward supplying Brazil’s domestic market, and 158.26 million liters were destined for export."

    Brazil can take the liquid while China loads up on DDG

    Sentiment: Buy

  • Reply to

    If GEVO was about EBIT breakeven in November

    by left2rightdoor Jan 12, 2015 10:25 PM
    elahens elahens Jan 13, 2015 11:35 AM Flag

    Key 4Q milestones:
    1 EBIT at plant level. ( Nov)
    2 Key Production rate for future quarters (50-100K/month)
    3 Volume shipment to NEW customers ( see PR)
    4 Opportunistic hydrocarbon fuel sales ( Airforce, Marines)

    What is not talked about but the real opeating profit for SBS (in upcoming quarters):
    o what cut in R&D costs was done in 4Q and possibly 1Q15
    o when does licensing income flows into the coffers

    One word about November statement made in last PR, DDG ( byproducts, IDG) wasat its lowest in November. Recovered by some +60-70% in December after China resumed buying. This DDG is counter-balanced with ethanol prices adjusting down in January.

    Sentiment: Buy

  • elahens elahens Jan 6, 2015 3:39 PM Flag

    The estimated price was based on the NUMBER of shares X avg sahre price at time of signing of the deal. Not on a fix amount. It can up and and down in value..

  • Reply to

    Watch out! China is back buying DDG

    by elahens Dec 17, 2014 10:08 PM
    elahens elahens Jan 6, 2015 2:07 PM Flag

    Thanks for the 'dumb down' on the Dec 17 post.

    It is now news, DDG prices up as much as $79 since 1st week od December.
    The cows,hogs and pultries have to eat!

    Check DTN.01/06/2015
    "China Buyers Seeking U.S. DDG"

    Sentiment: Buy

  • elahens elahens Jan 6, 2015 1:41 PM Flag

    Had the same concern. But since no information was released, how to assess run rate/payback at Aventine.
    In the merger PR , PEIX said that their debt level was $135M.
    Last Sec Q document in 2012, gives a $279M devet level...
    So they must have extracted not just revenue, but profits from their installed capacity...

    Second, they stated that they had a;ready converted some boilers from coal to natgas...
    So this is behind them.

    A third tidbit: back in the days they were buiding the twi 110M plants, they were identical.
    Valoero picked up on plant last year and were able to fire it up... no 'extra' cost was menetioned... So the second plant kept by Aventine must be OK as well( picked-up by PEIX).
    The two plants, just by themseleves were $450Mish. So PEIX pick-up 100% of Aventine for 17.7M shares ( today below $10/shr) is a good deal.

    Fourth: Corn in the mid-west is cheapppppp. WIth train cost getting lower ( with less oil movement reuiring less cars), I could see windows where it might be cheaper for PEIX to slowdown the West coast Plants and keep the mid-west plants going...
    Just buying more corn locally and selling the ethanol outwest.

    Sentiment: Buy

  • elahens elahens Jan 2, 2015 2:47 PM Flag

    On a stock for stock swap, the equation of 11(PEIX) for 14(AVRW) is explained by the value of NOL. One has to assume that AVW also has 17.75m shares +warrants issued.

    In any case $190M ( shares) + $135M in debt =$325M or $1/gallon.

    Peix needs to pull in 10c per gallon net per year to earn 10% on the deal.

    Sentiment: Buy

  • 91 pages plus Exibits.

    Gross purchase price 60c per gallon (190M over 315M gal).

    Sentiment: Buy

  • By addressing the issue of MIR62, China has resumed buying DDG. By-product prices up considerably..+60-70% so far. still below last year record-breaking level BUT considerably better when one cosiders cost of corn also is down from 6's to 4's ( say by one third).
    Corn is the cost basisused for both iisobutanol and ethanol.
    Beakeven for isobutanol got better.

    Sentiment: Buy

  • elahens elahens Dec 31, 2014 12:44 PM Flag

    EIA date is EIA Dec 31! ( not 23rd)

    Sentiment: Buy

  • Inventory bumps 500K(rounded) barrels to 18.1M, while
    Production down 20kbpd to 972Kbpd, and
    Refiner demand down 26kbpd at 856kbpd
    Leaving the extra prooduction 116Kbpd to go to Inventory.

    Lokking at PAD Inventory delta,
    East PAD took +400K (rounded)
    Midwest +100K ( rounded)
    Gulf +200K ( rounded)
    ( obviously 4+1+2 = 7;;; there are some serious rounding of the numbers with year accounting
    pushing Production out from plants to distributors!)
    West PAD FLAT at the very low 2.1m barrels.

    To answer the Question : Are tanks loading up for export?
    Inkling is NO. East Coast Distributors got ready for Holiday Demand to fill-er-up!

    2014 is History, Hih Production rate to meet High Export with More to come, and
    LOCAL U.S. consumption HIGHER than originally forecasted. Run rate for 2015 will be increased when 2014 is all added up!

    Sentiment: Buy

  • o Production shy by 8Kbpd, close to a 1MILLION barrels per day... at 992kbpd up 2Kbpd from last week record production.
    o Refiner demand at 880kbpd up 13kbpd from last week, up 42kbpd fromlast year.
    Jobs and shopping creating demand.
    o Inventory DOWN from 17.7mb to 17.6mb
    o Export strong and steady at high level.

    Of total Invenotry,
    East and West ( big driving areas) Pads unchanged from last week.
    Gulf and Midwest swapped a 300K position ( Gulf down 300K, Midwest Up 300k).
    Midwest must be ready to take one or two shifts downtime for Holidays.

    Plants running like a switch watch at 992K barrels per day!
    Meanwhile, CHina is mopping all the DDG that they can.

    Sentiment: Buy

  • Reply to

    Datapoints on ethanol -local and Brazil

    by elahens Dec 23, 2014 3:53 PM
    elahens elahens Dec 23, 2014 7:06 PM Flag

    Supporting infoshowing the record production ( but yet inventory went DOWN since this increase in production has been exported!)

    "According to the EIA, production for the week ending Dec. 5 averaged 988,000 barrels per day. That production level broke the previous weekly record of an average 982,000 barrels per day set during the week ending Nov. 21. The prior record was set earlier this year at an average of 972,000 barrels per day for the week ending June 13. With production averaging 990,000 barrels per day for the week ending Dec. 12, a new weekly record has been set."

    Sentiment: Buy

  • Locally
    - by now, one has to realize that Dec will have record production, to meet record export and seasonal refiner demand!
    - China is again buying DDG, firming up prices
    - biodiesel going into heating oil demand

    - Testing 25% mixture
    - Selling at $.518 per liter ($2.08 per gal)
    - Using ethanol to flex demand for oil imports.

    Sentiment: Buy

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