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envy_vo 73 posts  |  Last Activity: Oct 9, 2014 1:33 AM Member since: Jul 13, 2012
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  • Reply to

    Question for the board...

    by factman777 Oct 8, 2014 7:49 PM
    envy_vo envy_vo Oct 9, 2014 1:33 AM Flag

    10/08 0.54 1035500 OTO

    http://quotes.freerealtime.com/dl/frt/M?IM=quotes&type=Time%26Sales&SA=quotes&symbol=NVIV&qm_page=29844

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • The statistical probability of getting a first patient is difficult to determine, but there are obvious factors to take into account..

    At 3750 new patients a year, that comes to 12.5 per million. Our three centers are not in the most populated areas of the country, and two of them overlap.

    The State of Arizona, which has a population of about 6.6 million or approximately 82 injuries per year or 7 per month is the source for two NVIV related centers.

    To get an idea of how many patients that would provide NVIV, one would have to determine how many spinal cord injury hospitals are located in Arizona. Certainly, there are more than the two associated with the clinical study. For example, if there were 7 SCI capable hospitals in the state, that would only provide two patients per month to NVIV hospitals.

    Unfortunately, those two patients may not be patients of the Principal Investigator or another physician associated with the study. So, it could be those two patients are split between 10-20 neurosurgeons, which would drop the number below one per month. It could be one every two, three, or four months..

    It is easy to see how quickly the statistics become smaller and smaller, as just the obvious variables are considered.

    Of course, this does not take into account those people who are older than the intention-to-treat population. That is, how many injuries happen to people older than 55? That would also reduce the number of potential patients.

    Three more centers, at least one of which is in a heavily populated area, could make all the difference.

    Nobody owns enough NVIV, that is, I think it is a strong buy.

    GLTA

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • envy_vo envy_vo Sep 12, 2014 11:13 AM Flag

    Neurosurgeons have already opted in, hence the IRB approval of the Principal Investigator's request to do the surgery..

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • I think the Aegis presentation should be starting a little over an hour from now. Hopefully, we will get another pop.

    Nobody owns enough NVIV.

    GLTA

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    It doesn't cost more money to own more stock

    by envy_vo Sep 8, 2014 10:02 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 10, 2014 5:46 PM Flag

    And just what information did you get from the board?

    No luck for you!

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    It doesn't cost more money to own more stock

    by envy_vo Sep 8, 2014 10:02 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 10, 2014 5:36 PM Flag

    The problem with your strategy is that the stock just went up and left you at the station.

    That's what I mean when I say,

    No luck for you!

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Just to be perfectly clear, many investors here have already stated they trade shares and hold a core position.

    Everyone knows Frank is selling shares. Nobody has been arguing the price is not going down as a result of his selling.

    If you owned 1,000 shares, for example, you could sell 100 shares, wait for the price to drop (if it does, because of Frank's selling) and then buy back more shares for the same money. Hence nobody owns enough NVIV. Of course, you do not need to sell out your entire position and then wake up someday to find the price took off without you. Yes, it is trading and many investors are averse to trading, but that aversion is baked into the percent of shares you trade vs percent of core holding. This is how to average down - not by buying more shares with more money.

    OTOH, I also add more money to the pot each month to buy more shares. Although most people (including most brokers) would think of this as "averaging down," in reality, one is making a new investment that is independent of the original investment (except for the amount of exposure to a single investment). If you are only trying to lower your cost basis and do not believe in the "new" investment, you are simply throwing good money after bad.

    1. If you understand and believe in the science, you have to admit that NVIV has been a terrific opportunity to own more shares at no cost.

    2. If you understand and believe in the science, you have to admit that NVIV has been a terrific opportunity to buy in at lower and lower prices, i.e., to make better and better investments with "new" money.

    3. If you do not believe the company will perform, then you should sell, and find an investment you believe is superior to this.

    It is just that simple.

    My sentiment is, of course, that Nobody owns enough NVIV.

    GLTA

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Management looks smart to me…….

    by aretxen Sep 4, 2014 8:06 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 4, 2014 12:16 PM Flag

    jayunit,

    The "enormous shareholder value" has been increasing on a daily basis doe those who can add shares. It remains the same for those who cannot, but it is still there. That is, nothing about the science has changed.

    The hydrogel partnership, obviously, was deemed too expensive to do at the current time. Consequently, resources were diverted to the platform. You have no rationale for making any claim that such a move was bad for the company or shareholders.

    As for the CEO, you have no idea of how good or bad Mr. Perrin is. This is, therefore, a non complaint about something you nothing about and I cannot address it. because you offered nothing substantive to address. (I do not mean to be offensive, but that is reality.)

    As for all of the scientists being hydrogel related, when the company decided to focus on the platform, they let almost one third of the employees go. Those employees were the ones associated with hydrogel development.

    Once again, I am not intending to be offensive; however, you do not seem to have any real complaints that can be addressed.

    Nobody owns enough NVIV,

    GLTU

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Management looks smart to me…….

    by aretxen Sep 4, 2014 8:06 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 4, 2014 9:59 AM Flag

    aretxen,

    What specific action(s) on the part of management upset you?

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Management looks smart to me.

    by envy_vo Sep 2, 2014 11:10 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 4, 2014 2:48 AM Flag

    I see my appeal to common decency, courtesy, and manners has fallen on deaf ears.

    Obviously, your obsession with me is unhealthy for you and, quite frankly, very creepy for me. How sad your life must be to feel so compelled to attack those who disagree with you.

    You cannot even follow your own rule that you were so "proud" of telling us about on the same day- really?

    Actually, your cyber-stalking is beginning to make me feel uncomfortable.

    Once again, if you have nothing of value to contribute to a thread I have started that concerns the company/stock, please start your own thread and spew your irrelevant, petty drivel there.

    You do know how to start your own thread?

    kcandme, irrelevant and petty with not even enough self-discipline to follow your own rules is no way to go through life.

    No luck for you!

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    To make this perfectly clear:

    by envy_vo Sep 2, 2014 12:43 PM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 4, 2014 12:51 AM Flag

    frog,

    All good points. Nevertheless, I think every negative can be explained away. I, too, was a little miffed by the Hydrogel decision, but believe management did what was best for the company and for shareholders - OTOH, I am an incurable optimist. As for losing money, everyone here is probably underwater. There may be a trader who is marginally in the green, but I doubt it. So, your misery certainly has company.

    Hopefully, we will see some action in the coming weeks as a result of the presentations, although, I am not sure what exactly to expect. At least the word is going to be getting out.

    What I do see as a silver lining, is the fact that those who believe the science is sound, the market is huge, the ducks are all in a row, and the trials are about to begin are in a position to buy stock that is clearly discounted by the need for one major shareholder to liquidate his shares.

    When the smoke clears, I believe everyone here will be kicking themselves for not buying more at these levels, which is why I say,

    Nobody owns enough NVIV.

    GLTU

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Management looks smart to me.

    by envy_vo Sep 2, 2014 11:10 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 4, 2014 12:07 AM Flag

    kcandme,

    So you might understand:

    1. On a message board like this, conversations are threaded to allow people to click on a topic of interest based on the title of the first post.

    2. When other readers of the message board click on a thread to read about that particular topic, they typically should expect all of the posts in that thread to contribute to the discussion initiated by the OP.

    It is not unreasonable to expect all posters to a message board to afford everyone this courtesy. Yes, it is a courtesy, kcandme - not a rule.

    Similarly, when you are in a social setting and find a group of people having a conversation about a topic they all seem to find of interest (else they would walk away), you could butt into the conversation (jump the thread) and offer some foolish ad hominem comment, or you could simply do everyone the courtesy of minding your own business. I believe a courtesy such as this is nothing more than good manners. Obviously, your parents failed to teach you some manners.

    So, when I express my discontent about your "jumping a thread" (butting into a conversation with nothing to contribute), it is because your boorish behavior is discourteous to me and anyone else interested in what I am posting. I am most certainly not trying to make a rule, where none can be enforced. What I am doing is appealing to a sense of common decency, which you obviously lack.

    In this thread, for example, I opened the conversation with a post about management appearing to be smart to me. If my rationale was well-conceived and clearly communicated, I would think such a post would give some comfort to those SCI patients you claim to care about and fellow investors in this stock. Nevertheless, you seem to be content to butt into the conversation and distract us all from the original message. Why? What purpose does your small-minded, selfish behavior serve? Better yet, who does it serve?

    Only you!

    Nobody owns enough NVIV.

    No luck for you!

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Management looks smart to me.

    by envy_vo Sep 2, 2014 11:10 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 3, 2014 6:45 PM Flag

    rjr,

    I typically post about the stock, or investment strategies.

    Clearly, most posters here believe I am the most ardent cheerleader for this stock, because I post about the company.

    This thread is a great example:

    1. I post a message titled "management looks smart to me." It is thoughtful commentary about the company.
    2. I am immediately attacked by rmccabe7 - note nothing in my message is attacked, just an ad hominem exercise in foolishness.
    3. Should rmccabe7 be upset with the envy_vo alias? Well, I did point out to the board that rmccabe7 was saying nobody should sell with a strong buy long-term sentiment while selling shares. So, who is the jackasss?
    4. After my response to the useless and dishonest post of rmccabe, you jump the thread and attack me - nothing intelligent about my post, nothing that will help anyone think better about the company, just a bunch of sixth grade foolishness.
    5. Then, of course, that is followed by a cowardly ad hominem attack by kcandme - a chance, if you will, to pile on with like-minded folk - the purpose of which is to attack the most ardent cheerleader here for some selfish, vindictive sense of justification. No matter that ad hominem attacks hurt both the spirits of those with sci following the board and possibly even the share price itself.
    6. Then there is nobody12529's comment "nice post Mr. McCarthy," which adds absolutely nothing to the thread (message board.)

    Amazingly, Rocky's post "Headmistressy...perfect," which was a reply to you was mistaken by kcandme to be a reply to me. Just too much!

    Even more amazing, you suggest I post something "useful without taking offense," but fail to take your own advice - how much stupidity, insincerity, intellectual dishonesty, and hypocrisy must I endure, before calling a spade a spade?

    Clearly, my initial post was about InVivo. You, rmccabe, and kcandme, simply posted childish, ad hominem attacks that add nothing to the board.

    Nobody owns enough NVIV.

    No luck for you!

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    To make this perfectly clear:

    by envy_vo Sep 2, 2014 12:43 PM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 2, 2014 4:49 PM Flag

    Rocky,

    What I buy is nobody's business; however, I will say I try to buy at the end/beginning of each month. Accordingly, I have been adding shares on a regular basis. I bought shares today, at the beginning of August, and even during August, because the price was just so cheap.

    More importantly, even if the share price goes up, I will still be buying shares next month, as long as the fundamentals remain the same (and the price is not too high). As you know, I only own one major position at a time in the stock market - NVIV is my only major position at this time, because I can find nothing else that looks as profitable as this company, at this price.

    That is to say, I do not try to catch falling knives. I just buy steadily based on my current views. I like the science here, and I believe I know why the price is going down - hence, I see great value. Regardless, except for last month, I try to keep buying at a steady rate month after month.

    Your strategy of waiting until we hit $.50 is fine, if it actually gets to $.50. Unfortunately, the falling knife strategy is often times confounded by reality. For example, do you know that Frank will continue to sell? He is losing quite a bit of money. Do you know that a patient will not be enrolled before we hit $.50? Do you know what the effect of having three more sites ready for enrollment will be on share price, and when they will actually come on line?

    I suppose, if I were you, I would be buying some now, some when it goes to $.50 and even more if it goes below $.50. That way, if it never sees $.50, at least you will have bought something,

    As for averaging down, I do not believe in that as a strategy. I buy if I think the stock is worth buying today, not because I bought it at a higher price yesterday.

    Hope that answers your question, btw, did I mention I believe Nobody owns enough NVIV? I do, but please do not let that keep you from selling.

    GLTU

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • For the purposes of going long or short, one should buy a stock based on value. That is, over some timeframe one must determine how much the stock price will go up/down and compare that to other perceived opportunities for investment.

    I believe within one year, we will be trading around $12 share. That's a twenty bagger from here.

    Rationale:

    1. One needs to be able to evaluate the fundamental basis for buying a company. That is, what does the company have to offer?

    InVivo has a huge international market for a problem that has no solution. The model has worked in primates, so a human application should not only work but be even more effective. The cost of the scaffold should be high as well as margins. Of course, execution is always an issue, but if the fundamentals are there, execution should follow - even if it takes more time than seems necessary.

    2. One needs to be able to evaluate the stock price in relation to the fundamentals. That is, it could be a great company, but all of the opportunity could already be "baked into" the share price. In a rational market, that would tend to be the norm.

    InVivo has a stock price that is being driven down by a single, major investor, who obviously needs money (facing law suits, running another start-up, and who knows what else). Last month that investor sold more than 1.5 million shares of this thinly traded stock. That single investor drove the price down to current levels. Of course, this is a retail stock, so retail investors got scared and began to sell, also.

    Importantly, it is not just that one can determine the stock is oversold by comparing fundamental opportunity to share price, but, in addition, one can clearly identify why the stock is being oversold and that it has nothing to do with fundamental opportunity, execution, or even competition.

    I cannot find a better stock-investment opportunity. If you can, please tell us.

    Nobody owns enough NVIV, but do not let my sentiments keep you from selling.

    GLTA

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Management looks smart to me.

    by envy_vo Sep 2, 2014 11:10 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Sep 2, 2014 11:57 AM Flag

    rmccabe7,

    Maybe you do not like my sentiment for this stock; however, you have absolutely no reasons that would explain why I am wrong. That makes your posts useless.

    At least when I say to the board that I think the stock is a strong buy, I am not secretly selling behind peoples' backs, That makes your posts dishonest.

    rmccabe7, useless and dishonest is no way to go through life.

    Nobody owns enough NVIV, but please do not let my sentiment keep you from selling,

    No luck for you!

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • I was upset with the offering at $1.15, but figured the company must have some reason to get a deal done. Apparently, they realized Frank's selling could make any deal a problem, wanted enough money to outlast Frank's influence, and maybe even wanted to kill two birds with one stone. That is, sell the offering high enough to have money for the future, but low enough to precipitate a positive feedback selling loop for Frank.

    If Frank has financial commitments that must be met, then he must sell enough shares to meet his deadlines. As the price plummets, Frank must sell more shares to meet his monthly nut, which causes the share price to drop and Frank to sell even more shares (positive feedback loop).

    The company's scaffold-only focus could be another way of slowing Frank's new company's progress.

    All of this must make it difficult to find investors for his new company.

    He sold more than 1.5 Million shares in August. The fact that the price held up as strong as it did is remarkable.

    On the other hand, we do not know what Frank's needs are. It is possible that he accelerated his selling to keep from losing all of his shares at cheaper and cheaper prices. It could also be that he needs to get his money out because of concerns for the lawsuits. There are always lots of reasons to sell. What does not make much sense is why he does not find a buyer for his shares.

    We all know to buy low and sell high, but the trick is to find a stock with a low share price that does not reflect the value of the company. That is what NVIV is, a company with great opportunity and a share price that reflects the financial needs of a single, major investor.

    It is not easy to find an opportunity like this, which is why I believe Nobody owns enough NVIV - but please do not let my sentiment keep you from selling.

    GLTA

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Positive spin, anyone?

    by imnorockefeller Aug 14, 2014 10:25 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Aug 14, 2014 10:53 AM Flag

    Rocky,

    Have the reasons for your initial investment changed? If so, please tell us which of those reasons has changed.

    GLTU

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    One of the best money grabs I have seen .

    by bluehawaii100 Aug 14, 2014 10:27 AM
    envy_vo envy_vo Aug 14, 2014 10:47 AM Flag

    Blue,

    You do not seem to understand the dynamic:

    Frank is losing his shirt. He is selling shares daily and making less and less every day.

    The company, on the other hand, has cash to see them into 2016.

    I am thinking new management is ROTFLTAO at how much money Frank is losing. He should have found a private placement for his shares, when he had the chance.

    No luck for you!

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Some people here seem to be unable to disassociate the price of the stock from the company and its potential.
    If you do not know why the price is going down and do not understand the prospects for the company, then I would think you would have already sold all of your shares. Unless, of course, you know nothing about investing and are just gambling. Gamblers are fine until they start whining.

    If you believe the company is in better shape than ever (I do), that the first-in-human clinical study will be successful (I do), and understand why the price is currently going down, then all you see (day after day) is an increasing opportunity to make terrific returns on your investment.

    The old adage "Buy low and sell high," seems simple enough, but there obviously must be more to it than that - and there is. That is why everyone cannot do it - it is just too hard to find a stock that is undervalued. Even if someone is lucky enough to find an undervalued stock, they have to be able to see why it is undervalued, or they will quickly lose confidence, become stressed, and sell low. Yes, they buy high and sell low. Everyone here who is worried about this stock and decides to sell is going to be someone who bought high and sold low. That is not how one makes money in the market.

    I have been adding shares all along. Typically, I buy at the end or beginning of the month, but today I just could not resist adding more shares. Do I hope the stock keeps going down? Yes, because every cent lower is a better opportunity. How hard would it be for this stock to hit $7 and that's a ten-bagger.

    I understand that, at some level, we are all gamblers; but when the dice run cold, please don't blame the other players. It is, after all, your money - manage it.

    Nobody owns enough NVIV, but please do not let my sentiment keep you from selling your shares or cause you to buy more.

    GLTA

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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