Hot demand, i am in the same boat. There are several rugers that i want that are impossible to get.
I dont know this for sure but i sense that the gun makers are expnding output for higher margin items, not wheelguns.
S&W bought back oodles of shares, OUCH
S&W make oodles of money and used some to do a buyback, OUCH
S&W spent a ton of cash on capital improvements, OUCH
S&W buys an accessories company, boosting its EPS, OUCH
S&W sure to win the government contract, OUCH
S&W shorts will get margin calls the day the army contract is awarded. OUCH!
S&W shorts covering slowly in the past 30 days.... OUCH
S&W still considering acquisitions... OUCH
S&W still undervalued OUCH
Whats to argue with? Here is how i see it. Swhc will generate gross margin, but not as high as a regular retail transaction. Swhc gets all the other benefits, and they will be able to get better overhead utilization, and that means they can make everything else at an enhanced margin. Beretta has been a fading flower on the gun racks over the past few years, and swhc has done far better. If they get a military contract, the game changes entirely in swhcs favor. They will take another bite out ofmthe total market share for pistols, and drive glock into the periphery.
I like your thinking here. So, i thought of ATK, and how ATK dumped its sporting line. The two just dont mix.
But think big, like you are willing to do. GD doenst know how to run a gun company, and swhc doesnt know how to effectively obtain and service govt contracts. Swhc might also have a problem in designing some of the training materials, programs, etc... I think the new m9 is also going to have a simulator?
....thinking bigger...a joint venture on COLT.?.? That might be an ideal match, they could pull in all the FN work and supply GD M&Ps along with GD Colts....GD!
His appearance today was very transparent .....uhhhh yeah hlf is going to crash in 2015....uhhhhhh if not 2015 then for sure in 2016...sounded like a lost cause grasping for straws.. Amazing how the news guyz actually give him a seat to spout all this garbage.
Just got out of county jail. The food was really bad, but its all rules, rules, rules.
The winner of the M9 chicken dinner will not be decided for a long time.
As to your fears: SWHC WOULD HAVE WON THE LAST M9 showdown, but its ducks were not in a row. But for a number of admin issues, SWHC would have been in every military holster TODAY. So it was wise for Debney to team up with GD to provide the military with GD M&Ps.
Beretta is a blunderbuss compared to the M&P. We want our soldiers to train well and I bet you that more soldiers will qualify faster with a smith and wesson than anything beretta can come up with.
Such a bold move,....
I dont think the market has factored in the army win at all into pps. The market thinks like you, and wnt give credit until its announced, then an over reaction. Look at how the market sat on swhc at 7$
Swhc has an empty one. Just sayin. Ruger has an empty one. There are three empty gun plants in ct. I can build 100,000 ft concrete bldg in two months.
Officials are not allowed to discuss the selection process while requirements are being written. But Thomas did say the next pistol would be a commercial, off-the-shelf product.
Narrowing the field is not especially hard. The soldier requirements division must first consider existing programs of record. If another government agency has a pistol program that meets or exceeds the Army's requirements, that is the one you will get.
There are some strong contenders in that category, and they are not limited to the .45 caliber and 9mm varieties. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in 2010 made a big switch to the .40 caliber, and many military leaders would like to do the same.
Smith and Wesson's .40 cal M&P nudged the Glock 22 and 27 in the ATF competition. Scores were so close that both received a part of the $80 million contract — and prime standing as the Army enters its search.
"It's kind of hard to beat the Smith and Wesson M&P right now," said one industry insider from a competing company, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "It is a polymer gun with high-capacity steel magazines. It has a positive safety and ambidextrous controls ... they simply came out of the gate with the right gun."
Other companies with existing government contracts and weapons that meet Army requirements include:
• Beretta. The company in 2010 launched the 92A1 9mm and 96A1 .40 S&W pistols. They include increased capacity magazines, removable front sights, an accessory rail, captive recoil spring assembly, frame recoil buffer and sand-resistant magazines. The Army would need no transitional training if it chose the 9mm, and parts compatibility is 90 percent.
Beretta's next-generation Px4 family of pistols has polymer frames, modular grips and a rotary barrel system similar to a bolt-action rifle. The Px4 Storm Special Duty .45 ACP, which had been submitted for the now-defunct Joint Combat Pistol program, includes a long barrel for suppressor mounting.
• Sig Sauer. Many Navy SEALs carry the company's P226, and the Coast Guard has adopted the P229. The industry insider called the Sig a "workhorse," but said the P229 is an unlikely selection because it is double-action only and has no positive safety.
The .40 caliber P250 probably has little to no chance. The pistol had 58 stoppages, 13 of which were gun-induced, during the ATF competition. Smith & Wesson had 16 shooter-induced stoppages and Glock had seven, and neither had gun-induced stoppages.
• Heckler & Koch. The HK P2000 is lauded by the Border Patrol. They love its modular grips, dual slide release levers and mounting rails that easily accommodate a variety of lights, lasers and accessories.
• Glock. A longtime favorite among many special operators, the latest variants include modular grips and shorter trigger distances. The recoil spring also has been replaced with a dual recoil spring assembly to reduce recoil and increase life cycle.
But the venerable Glock does have its detractors, the industry insider said — primarily because the pistol lacks an external safety. In addition, there is no metal-on-metal contact in the magazine catch-recess area, causing magazines to wear out faster and sometimes drop out of the gun.
• Colt and Springfield. Both companies are competing to replace the Marine Corps' M45 Close Quarter Battle Pistol. If the winner becomes a program of record before the Army opens its selection process, then it would be in the running. But Colt's variant is a single-action, cocked and locked pistol, which is not popular with many folks in Big Army.
You should look at the circumstances of swhc last submission for the m9.....they would already be the supllier, but for____________________. Debney made sure it would not happen again by teaming with ______________. Now, give the army their GD M&Ps
Well, would the tax loss selling have taken place earlier? I could see if there was a selloff in certain issues for tax loss selling....i think the shorts are actually tax loss buying. Ha! Someone is accumulating i think you would agree, volume is way up...
Now eh, the army contract goes to swhc and its game over for the shorts. Swhc could double to $20 on the excitement. It might not hold, but i want to be looking at the tape when they announce who got the contract.
To be honest with you, not that i am not always honest, beretta is not going o come up with a polymer wonder any time soon. Ruger isn't going to get it unless they come up with a complete remake, glock ? Is the nearest, but they are also higher priced, and their company is organizationally challenged.
General dynamics didnt team up with debney because they thought he was a good loser. I would like swhc to develop a pistol cartridge carbine for the military/police market...they could use the GD gateway for that as well. So, what do you think of a pistol carbine in 9mm or .4o calibre, build with an m&p action? Dang sweet setup as it is compact and light, unobtrusive, so a cop could be fairly well armed without looking like he is out hunting #$%$.