you quote old testament when it suits your purposes yet pray to idols, hold beads, eat wafers and drink thimbles of wine. I do understand there is one God. No flesh and blood son. The Torah never said one thing about virgin births, human sacrifice for sins by that supposedly man-god son, etc. #2 you have 3 choices: remain a pagan who seems himself as Christianized (and doomed) 2. turn to Judaism or 3. turn to Islam.
#1 surfer instead of attacking me, why not try to disprove my post? #2 your bible in fact gives 3 distinct stories of Paul meeting Jesus. #2 have you done historical review whether there was a Paul? Being in your bible doesn't make it true or false. Didn't someone say prove all things? #3 one of your problems is you are blinded to the fact the bible is not a history book nor are events in sequence nor is your bible necessarily literal #4 if you were "saved" while under the yoke of Catholism then why change to a different sect? #5 have you researched who supposedly wrote your new testament books? Are you afraid to search for the truth? #6 I have never said Islam is infallible nor 100% accurate. What I have said is there is 1 God, with no human sons, etc. I have said no one was born with original sin. Your NT adds scriptures and then tries to show it is superior to the 'old.' Your prophet said he did not come to abolish Torah or the laws. This tells us he means Torah is still in effect today, regardless of what a disaulgined non existent Paul purportedly wrote.
As I posted, Paul never met Jesus nor was he an apostle except in his own mind. The 12 apostles are listed in your bible. Paul is not on that list even when Judas committed suicide Paul was not chosen. Steven was. When Stephen was stone to death, lots were draw to determine his replacement and it was not Paul.#2 you been shilled.#3 there are not 3 gods in one. #4 Jesus was a prophet of sorts with good and false prophecies. No way did God come to earth an live as a man. You telling us jesus got diarrhea? stomach cramps. Got dirt in his eyes; had wet dreams at night; held down a job; paid taxes; broke bone; learned to swim; planted and picked crops? and so forth? Real humans have these plus many more things happen to them in life. Who paid for his meals while he went around telling stories? Was he a freeloader? why is your books silent on these mattes? Do you ever sit don and think these things thru? God has no respect for the fool or naïve person.
I did ask him about Paul and was told Paul never met anyone called Jesus. Paul gave 3 separate answers how he a. saw a light b. saw and light and heard a voice saying the light was jesus c. he heard a voice. Odd thing is each time he witnesses gave a different story. #2 you are basing that opinion on what your scriptures say. The reality is there never was a Paul or Shaul. There was an Apollonius of Taurus who studied under Gamaliel. #3 I suggest you do actual research and you find out there was no Paul and nearly all the NT books were written by various authors covertly. One must realize the Church in Rome never "canonized " any books until the Council of Trent, which means the general public had no knowledge which books were supposedly genuine or fake.#4 you are not a bible scholar but rather someone desperately trying to make your religion into something it isn't. For some reason you try to protect Rome and the Vatican; yet several centuries ago they would have tried you for heresy and burned you in the Inquisitions. #5 you do realize Luke was no apostle nor eye witness to Jesus? nor was Mark. Matthew and John yes, if they indeed did write the gospels bearing that name. Many books are available showing NT forged gospels that were altered thru the centuries. Yes someone like is interested in finding the truth of an oppressive religion called X just as you would Islam if living in Arabian countries.
he did have a child bride and to this day is fairly common even in the Indian sub-continent. #2 young rabbi is writing a book based on NT verses and parables which will be interesting. He is taking all the places, starting in Matthews where it says 'it is written' and plainly showing in fact it is no where written. Just made up jibberish that literal bible readers accept on faith as being somewhere in their bible. And never checking it out #3 well am I doing my part to help him? old rabbi called me and said to put my 2c into what the book will contain. also there is another M and a Buddhist and possibly a hindu sitting in while young rabbi reads verse by verse to us, completely thru your NT. Of course I do not believe Jesus is who you X's claim, which gives it an even more neutral flavor as I have not been indoctrinated to believe X religion is true since my childhood. I can see its errors plainly just like you see errors in Koran. #4 you X's generally say it was an apple #5 man has been here 10's of thousands of years yet bible says only 6000. No way did man record original God words to first humans. No one had paper and pencil.
my Zion followers! Intern rabbi has slowly started to write a book on N.T. verses and parables that were intentional in their deception. #2 he reads beginning at Matthews out loud to me and asks me my opinion. He knows I am basically N.T. ignorant so I make a good listener as I have few preconceived views. He does have X degree in some sort of X studies as well as full rabbi schooling. He told us he would include several other non Christians in his reading for outside thinking. My guess is this will take awhile
doesn't your bible say Jesus had no human father? so was he an alien hybrid? Women do not get pregnant by wishing it so. It takes a male that is fertile. (Tots) made a valid point.#2 your bible says God gave the first two commands as : be fertile AND subdue the earth. Jesus failed on point one as he sired no known children. So if he was god, then he broke his own command
my point was this: there was no Garden of Eden. It is a parable showing several spiritual realities. You believe people walked around with no clothes on, wearing no shoes, talking to a snake and eating an apple causing good and evil to enter into this planet? Take your blinders off. Ask real rabbis the true concept of Eden.#2 your bible says flesh an blood cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven and your bible says Jesus rose from his grave, ate food and drank liquids. Didn't Jesus have Thomas put his hand into his chest wound to show he was real (flesh and blood?). So did your bible mislead you? How could this Jesus ascend into Heaven if he were in fact flesh/bone? Did he deceive those people, aka lie to them?#3 did not Jesus say that just as Jonas was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so must the son of man be in the earth? #4 Jesus is not real to anyone surferjoe. You are pandering to spirits and might be demon possessed. Those tongues you say you praise Gd with, what makes you think demons do not speak thru you but have deceived you into thinking you speak words of praise?#5 my eyes would open? #6 I do not worship Mohammed nor do I pray to him or thru him. Mohammed was a prophet like Jesus and as such both made mistakes. No man died for my sins.
I guess we will have to disagree. no rabbi I ever spoke with supports your view. Besides other issues are also involved here. The Sanhedrin never meet on the time your bible claims, if Jesus was so well known why did Judas have to point him to the Roman guards? No Jewish would have been there. Things do not line up. My take is your N.T was written by gentiles long after this Jesus lived and died. There is no record of any such thing as freeing a criminal and giving a pardon such as Barabbas and Jesus. Rome showed no mercy on rebels and both were.
who says you are correct? The man was supposedly in that tomb less then 48 hours. By your logic he was in the tomb 3 days but NOT three nights. So lets get back to Jonas and the X tradition that Jesus would be in the ground the same length of time as Jonas
well then, was Jonas in the big fish for the same period of time? and is English math different from say, Persian math or perhaps Egyptian? #2 days in Jew time are evening to evening. For example 6 p.m. Friday until 6 p.m. Saturday is one single day; not two days and 1 night.
I posted response 3 times to surfer and was declined. 4th try---gained by living a good life and doing right. There is no original sin mentioned in J books. Tree of Life n Garden is a parable and no taking snake.Torah is the tree of life because with it one gains knowledge of good and bad, and without a guide for spiritual things man has no boundary to judge himself. As I age I realize both the X and K books have been corrupted; but Koran less. I will be judged by what did in this life. I also expect to reincarnate. Muslim mystics teach the possibility. I accept work of Moses as true except for Ishmael and Isaac #2 You make life much harder then needs be. You live a life based in fear and the horror of unrepeated sin. Not me. I live life and treat people as best as possible. Some are just plain obnoxious a holes. Many have chemical imbalances. #3 Jesus was a mere man; a prophet of sorts. Neither he nor Mohammed ascended into Paradise and their bones slowly decay. #4 I suggest you live the 10 commands and all will be well with your soul #5 murder is murder; let the crazy imams, Zionist and fundamental preachers go into a field and war with each other.
well your post needs a response. A man did come after Moses and the Hebrews did heed him. His name was Joshua and yes the people did do everything he told them. You need to read a true Jewish bible in English and compare it to your Douay bible or KJ. A messianic J bible is nothing more then a glorified X bible. #2 it is you who needs to repent and pray. Scripture is clear that God does not accept human sacrifice for sin nor can anything die for your sins. These concepts are in Deutoromety.
hard to argue with a multiple Ph.D. holder altho on occasion I take issue with him. Does he also advice his holiness The Dalai Llama? or is it a sort of mutual give and take concerning spiritual matters?
rarocker the US created ISIS #2 we are not God's gift to police the world and put every country under our boot #3 loss of the middle class has been ongoing and will never change as the real powers that be in the US desire it so #4 police stereotyping of blacks and high conviction rate is a form of racism #5 would you prefer US citizens starve or have subsidized food available for low income folks? #6 I agree he screwed up in Libya. #7 US military needs downsizing #8 public debt has been growing since the Hollywood actor and is still snowballing downhill. Both parties like their own pork projects. #9 otherwise I agree with your post my 9c
why do I get the feeling you are dby, deforzion, savenet and others? #2 Jesus cannot forgive sins. Only God can; you yourself might think he is the intercessor but he no way qualifies as God. # even Jesus said the father is greater then he and Jesus also prayed to his father. This tells me he never considered himself God otherwise why pray to himself.?