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fudfighter4 2595 posts  |  Last Activity: Apr 20, 2014 5:52 AM Member since: Apr 13, 2012
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    The INSM heads-up posted here was all lies

    by fudfighter4 Mar 30, 2014 3:44 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 20, 2014 5:52 AM Flag

    That's not how it works.

    Drug-resistant TB is defined as TB which is resistant to the two main TB antibiotics (isoniazid and rifampicin). Provided the strain of TB is not also resistant to amikacin, Arikace will kill it as it would a strain of (normal) TB which isn't resistant to any antibiotics.

    However normal TB is routinely treated with a six-month course of antibiotics which is far cheaper than Arikace is likely to be.

    But those antibiotics have nasty side-effects - and it's thought that patients skipping doses provided the opportunity for drug-resistant strains to evolve in the first place.

    95% of TB infection is thought to occur in low and middle-income countries. But if your extrapolation is accurate around 600,000 people in high-income countries currently require treatment for TB.

    Two questions -

    Is there any potential for a more patient-friendly therapy for that target population of 600,000 - which would encourage better compliance and possibly even bring the currently-recommended six-month antibiotic regimen down by a month or two?

    Could that QIDP designation signify the FDA's intention to approve Arikace for the treatment of all amikacin-susceptible pulmonary infections - instead of for the treatment of serious / drug-resistant pulmonary infections only - leaving it to the physicians to decide how to make the best use of the therapy?

  • Reply to

    The INSM heads-up posted here was all lies

    by fudfighter4 Mar 30, 2014 3:44 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 19, 2014 8:37 AM Flag

    Oddly enough - I found that in the same place you found the clue suggesting that the Interagency Task Force on Antimicrobial Resistance could secretly have far bigger plans for the drug than just Cystic Fibrosis and NTM :-)

    The numbers you cite are based upon official reports for 2012. The reported numbers are likely based upon cases diagnosed each year, i.e. excluding people already infected.

    On March 24 last year an article on the CDC web site included this -

    [ Multidrug-resistant TB (MDR TB) is spreading in many regions, especially Asia and Eastern Europe. Currently there are an estimated 630,000 MDR TB cases worldwide, but only 1 in 5 has been accurately diagnosed. ]

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    CF sales in Europe = MDR-TB sales Worldwide

    by fud.fighter2 Apr 10, 2014 9:03 AM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 17, 2014 11:54 AM Flag

    [ Contrary to the relatively robust regulatory system that exists in the United States, China has significant gaps and weaknesses in its regulatory oversight of the off-label use of drugs.

    In China, the practice of medicine is relatively less regulated. Physicians are not prohibited by law from prescribing off-label drugs. ]

    Fwiw - I know for a fact that the FDA has no power to prohibit off-label use in the US.

    The promotion / advertisement of off-label use is prohibited in the US - as is importation of drugs for off-label use (though overlooked as long as the quantity imported is sufficiently small to be consistent with personal use).

  • Reply to

    Easter is coming

    by fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 1:30 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 17, 2014 11:07 AM Flag

    I particularly liked this bit from that "biotech bubble" article -

    Notice that it's almost always after a rapid rise in stock price that a biotech will open up a public offering of stock. Why? The increased value of the shares will help offset the dilutive effects of the offering ...

    Given the lack of response to your plea - perhaps you need to face up to the fact that Insmed seems to attract investors with a "turn the other cheek" philosophy.

  • Reply to

    Easter is coming

    by fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 1:30 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 3:50 PM Flag

    If there's anybody here who doesn't simply assume that we Longs are powerless to help ourselves, feel free to e-mail my good buddy fud.fighter2 at his Yahoo address so that we can kick one or two ideas around.

    It would be on a confidential one-to-one basis - I've corresponded with a number of INSM Longs in the past on that basis.

    It's pointless discussing such matters on a public board very likely monitored by those who have been profiting from the manipulation all these years.

    For those same reasons you'd have to be willing to trust me with a non-Yahoo address (I would reciprocate) so that I know to whom I'm talking.

    If a Long who is interested already knows my main address please e-mail me there.

  • Reply to

    Easter is coming

    by fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 1:30 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 3:28 PM Flag

    Sounds good. But I don't see what we could do to make that happen any time soon.

  • Reply to

    OK back to the Insmed manipulation

    by justarook04 Apr 16, 2014 3:09 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 3:12 PM Flag

    That is exactly what I was driving at :-)

    I'd be interested in knowing how many Longs do NOT assume there's nothing we can do.

  • Reply to

    Easter is coming

    by fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 1:30 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 3:05 PM Flag

    "Needless to say, these nefarious people will eventually pay for their deeds."

    While that is indeed a comforting though, I see nothing wrong with exploring ways of shortening the interest-free period.

  • Reply to

    Easter is coming

    by fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 1:30 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 2:32 PM Flag

    OK. I would never try to initiate a discussion on religion, because I'm absolutely certain that nothing I could contribute would be helpful to a believer.

    But I am curious as to the manner in which belief translates to everyday situations. If I remember correctly you recently put up a post about Easter, which promptly disappeared. If I'm correct, this would call for the "turn the other cheek" response.

    Do you also feel it's right to turn the other cheek when the usual suspects seize the opportunity of negligible demand for the shares at a time when the biotech sector is experiencing a major sell-off to walk the share price down by 40% in less than two weeks from a price which was already substantially undervalued?

  • fudfighter4 by fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 1:30 PM Flag

    Having been bought up by a devoutly religious mother I remember two apparently-contradictory bits of advice -

    1. Turn the other cheek.

    2. God helps those who help themselves.

    After years of therapy I guess I ended a believer of No.2.

    Anybody else here with a similar outlook?

  • fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 16, 2014 12:49 PM Flag

    Thanks Edge - reminder of the earlier clue regarding anticipated timeline:

    "Beerse, Belgium, (March 06, 2014) - Janssen-Cilag International NV (Janssen) announced today that the European Commission (EC) has granted conditional approval to SIRTURO® (bedaquiline) in the European Union, for use as part of an appropriate combination regimen for pulmonary multi-drug resistant tuberculosis (MDR-TB) in adult patients, when an effective treatment regimen cannot otherwise be composed for reasons of resistance or tolerability.

    The decision from the EC follows a positive opinion from the Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use (CHMP) of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) recommending the approval of bedaquiline on December 20, 2013."

    I guess I need to point out that a positive opinion on Orphan designation is not a positive opinion on whether or not whether or not the EMA should approve Arikace on the basis of Insmed's anticipated filing for approval in H2.

    Would imagine the filing will go to the CHMP - which will in due course make its recommendation - followed hopefully by EMA approval three months later.

    If anybody here fancies sharing the load, the timeline could be firmed up with a a recent example or two of the time from the filing for approval to the time the CHMP announces its decision.

  • Or does something else dictate it apart from dividing $100 million in cash by 40 million shares?

  • Reply to

    The market does really tidy work :-)

    by fudfighter4 Apr 15, 2014 9:13 AM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 15, 2014 9:33 AM Flag

    Who can say? The guys managing multi-million dollar funds didn't get where they are without being good at seeing how to make the optimum profit from a situation.

    It has suited them to bide their time. And with no significant buying pressure it's easy for the manipulators to walk the price down.

    But my gut feeling is that it's only a matter of time before a big buyer is the first to blink. When that happens I'm not expecting anybody to be selling significant numbers of shares for less than $20 - unless they are expecting to buy them back via a low-priced offering.

  • Anybody sufficiently gullible to be suckered by the "INSM is simply following the market" explanation might learn something from the last four closing prices -


  • Reply to

    CF sales in Europe = MDR-TB sales Worldwide

    by fud.fighter2 Apr 10, 2014 9:03 AM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 15, 2014 8:46 AM Flag

    The World Health Organisation has set a target of virtually wiping TB from the face of the planet by 2050.

    How long will it take to eradicate the infection from the two billion people Worldwide estimated to be latent carriers?

    It's not reasonable to expect people who don't suffer any symptoms of the disease to be compliant with an antibiotic regimen which makes them ill.

    Anybody owning a patient-friendly technology for delivering an antibiotic to the lungs seems likely to be in pole position for a monster revenue stream at some stage.

    You'd have to think the WHO strategy would be to start with countries with a reasonable standard of health care and work their way down.

    Might also be worth looking out for companies targeting the diagnosis of latent TB.

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    by kennethtdc Apr 15, 2014 7:42 AM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 15, 2014 8:22 AM Flag

    Fwiw I think not. Sadly the DHW isn't the only creep around who gets his jollies from "taunting".

  • Reply to

    The INSM heads-up posted here was all lies

    by fudfighter4 Mar 30, 2014 3:44 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 13, 2014 6:40 PM Flag

    I wouldn't advise anybody to buy for the MDR-TB angle unless it's with a view to the medium/long term. The adoption curve is just guesswork.

    From memory 95% of TB infection occurs in low and middle income countries - so in the near term the realistic target market seems unlikely to be anywhere near a hundred thousand.

    Looking longer term - the WHO has set itself a target of virtually eliminating TB from the planet by 2050, which means that anybody owning a patient-friendly technology for delivering a therapy to the lungs would seem to be well-positioned for an eventual market of two billion people.

    It would be useful to know when the WHO plans to make a start on that :-)

  • Reply to

    What the smart money doesn't want us to know

    by fudfighter4 Apr 9, 2014 12:02 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 10, 2014 11:26 AM Flag

    From Insmed's 10-K -

    [ In 2009 and 2012, we entered into a cooperative research and development agreement (CRADA) with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) to design and conduct our phase 2 study of ARIKAYCE in patients with NTM. NIAID has also agreed to provide biostatistical advisory input in connection with the phase 2 NTM study. If we decide not to continue with the commercialization of ARIKAYCE in NTM, NIAID will have the right to complete the clinical trial. Further NIAID may elect to pursue its rights to obtain license rights to certain inventions made under the CRADA. ]

    [ NTM patients average 7.6 antibiotic courses per year (SDI Healthcare Database, July 2009). ]

    If Insmed had trouble in finding 100 patients with an NTM infection chronically resistant to the standard antibiotic regimen - it seems a reasonable conclusion that the vast majority of the 50,000 US patients diagnosed with an NTM pulmonary infection each year are adequately served by the "antibiotic courses" mentioned in Insmed's 10-K.

    And one suspects the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases has far more important demands upon its resources than the 100 or so US NTM patients for whom a combination of old age and a serious underlying pulmonary condition results in an NTM infection which doesn't respond to the standard antibiotic regimen.

    The Generating Antibiotic Incentives Now legislation was signed into law in July 2012 - in response to the potentially catastrophic threat to public health posed by infectious strains of bacteria which have evolved resistance to first-line antibiotics.

    The NIAID has those drug-resistant infectious bugs as its top priority. NTM isn't even infectious.

    Why is the NIAID so interested in Arikace?

    What did the NIAID expect the FDA to do if the study had delivered the results everybody was expecting - evidence that Arikace reduced the bacterial load of an NTM patient?

  • Reply to

    CF sales in Europe = MDR-TB sales Worldwide

    by fud.fighter2 Apr 10, 2014 9:03 AM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 10, 2014 10:06 AM Flag

    Assuming Insmed charges only $15,000 for a 12-week course of Arikace for MDR-TB - a share price of $20 today would be warranted by the anticipated use of Arikace two years from now by just 20,000 of the estimated 500,000 infected with MDR-TB each year.

    That $20 share price would assume zero use of Arikace for either CF or NTM - and would be based upon a price/sales valuation multiple of 4, the value of that revenue stream to a big pharma.

    A more reasonable price/sales valuation multiple for a company at Insmed's stage of development would be at least 8 - meaning that a current share price of $20 would be warranted by the anticipated use of Arikace two years from now by just 10,000 with MDR-TB -

    $15,000 x 10,000 x 8 x 0.8 x 0.8 / 40,000,000 shares = $19.20

    You'll believe it when the professional investors finally show their hands - and the analysts following Insmed finally mention MDR-TB - and the share price is over $100.

    But for now almost everybody who reads this will find the current share price far more believable - and fail to make the most of a once in a lifetime opportunity.

  • Reply to

    What the smart money doesn't want us to know

    by fudfighter4 Apr 9, 2014 12:02 PM
    fudfighter4 fudfighter4 Apr 10, 2014 8:41 AM Flag

    1. The FDA's Most Wanted list -

    [ (g) Qualified Infectious Disease Product- The term 'qualified infectious disease product' means an antibacterial or antifungal drug for human use intended to treat serious or life-threatening infections, including those caused by--

    ..... (1) an antibacterial or antifungal resistant pathogen, including novel or emerging infectious pathogens; or

    ..... (2) qualifying pathogens listed by the Secretary under subsection (f). ]

    [ (f) Qualifying Pathogen-

    ..... (1) DEFINITION- In this section, the term 'qualifying pathogen' means a pathogen ... that has the potential to pose a serious threat to public health, such as--

    .......... (A) resistant gram positive pathogens, including methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, vancomycin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, and vancomycin-resistant enterococcus;

    .......... (B) multi-drug resistant gram negative bacteria, including Acinetobacter, Klebsiella, Pseudomonas, and E. coli species;

    .......... (C) multi-drug resistant tuberculosis; and

    .......... (D) Clostridium difficile. ]

    2. The NTM results -

    [ The Company also intends to apply for Breakthrough Therapy Designation for ARIKAYCE in the United States based upon the culture conversion results. ARIKAYCE has already received Orphan Drug, Qualified Infectious Disease Product (QIDP) and Fast Track designations from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) ]

    3. Lewis last year -

    [ ... in the anti-infective space generally, what we're seeing is a real engagement on the part of regulatory authorities where there is efficacy and safety to find a pathway forward to get these drugs onto the market - whether it's through breakthrough therapy, QIDP designation or indeed, just evaluation of final data outcomes, has been seen with other products as well. There's just a real need for anti-infectives generally and any arrow in the quiver is going to be welcomed by the regulatory authorities, we believe, both here and in Europe. ]

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