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  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jul 24, 2015 3:42 PM Flag

    Worst...consultant...ever...

    geoffreyporter • Apr 12, 2013 1:39 AM

    Guttag Re: Microvision's Partner
    For the following reasons, many posters on this board have guessed that Sony or Panasonic is the unnamed company that has partnered with Microvision.

    1. Sony is co-developing a direct green laser diode
    2. Panasonic exhibited a LBS prototype at CEATEC 2012
    3. Sony sells products with embedded pico projectors
    4. The timing of the announcement coincides with the beginning of the Japanese fiscal year
    5. Sony is listed as #87 on the Fortune Global 100
    6. Sony and Panasonic are Leading Global Electronics Brands
    7. Panasonic is listed as #66 on the Fortune Global 100

    However, you believe the company to be a defense contractor listed as number 50-100 on the Fortune Global 100.

    Could you tell us which company you believe this to be and why?

    kguttag • Apr 12, 2013 11:50 AM

    I don't have time for all your crazy posts so don't take it as agreement for not responding.

    Real quickly.

    1. Sony is a developer of transmissive and LCOS panels. The lasers as likely as not are for these.

    2. It is not clear what Panasonic was showing and if was really LBS. They definitely have show LCOS based laser projectors and build the laser optical engine in the Toshiba laser projector that went in a DVD drive bay.

    3. Sony used DLP's in those camera projectors. The thought is that they will move to using their own LCOS.

    4. There are infinite things that coincide with this timing. You are just picking what you want to believe. This statement is idiotic.

    5. And so are 99 other companies. It is more likely to be an R&D experiment by some other company.

    6. So what? You should not that Microvision did NOT say it was a "consumer electronics brand."

    7. It is as likely as not one of the other 98 companies

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Picopros FB Post

    by stocknut52 Jul 23, 2015 6:15 PM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jul 23, 2015 7:38 PM Flag

    Does anyone doubt this will not have 50 lumen and distortion correction circuit technology?*

    * corrects screen shapes such as rectangles that can be distorted into trapeziums*4 when projected from certain angles to their original shape

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com by geoffreyporter Jul 16, 2015 2:11 PM Flag

    This is what is printed on a label affixed to the UO Smart Beam Laser. Why is it there if it's completely safe for little kids eyes? Are all little kids going to be able to read this label?

  • Reply to

    Serious question for the board...

    by stockguy9 Jul 14, 2015 2:52 PM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jul 14, 2015 9:46 PM Flag

    "In a nutshell, Microvision was stringing you along so they could sell more stock to keep afloat. By 2011 everyone in the industry with a brain knew that direct green lasers were going to take longer to develop, their efficiency was too low and their cost way too high. Microvision had to know this too, but they couldn't/wouldn't admit it or they could not keep selling stock. "

    And when exactly did you admit it, Karl?

    Guttag's abstract for Projection Summit 2011 (which took place June 13-14)

    Karl Guttag
    CTO
    Syndiant, Inc.

    LCOS and Laser Enabling High Efficiency and Small Size Liquid Crystal on Silicon (LCOS)
    Liquid Crystal on Silicon (LCOS) has the ability to go to very high resolution on a display device that is small enough and low enough in power to embed in high volume products such as cell phones and digital cameras and camcorders. Direct red, green, and blue lasers are the ideal light source for fully leveraging LCOS's potential. Up till this year only direct red and blue lasers were in volume production but now there are a number of companies who have demonstrated direct green lasers with plans for production in late 2011 and 2012.

    We see direct lasers as a classic "disruptive technology" that changes all the rules for what a projector can do and were it can go. The combination of LCOS and Lasers will change the fundamental size, shape, cost, brightness, and power efficiency of projector systems. In addition, the optical properties of lasers result in focus-free operation. We intend to discuss how we see the end use products changing with the advent of laser illuminated LCOS as well as how LCOS displays themselves will change due to laser illumination.

  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jul 14, 2015 6:08 PM Flag

    I suppose LCoS lost its lead...

    Jul 22, 2009

    Q. Where do you see the Pico Projector market in 3 years? What role will Syndiant make?

    I don’t want to give too much away, but Syndiant is the leader in resolution and size for pico projector microdisplays and we plan on maintaining that leadership. With our small pixel technology enabling high resolution in a small package and low manufacturing cost we are exceptionally well positioned for this market.
    - Karl Guttag

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jul 14, 2015 5:56 PM Flag

    Jul 22, 2009

    Q. Where do you see the Pico Projector market in 3 years? What role will Syndiant make?

    I don’t want to give too much away, but Syndiant is the leader in resolution and size for pico projector microdisplays and we plan on maintaining that leadership. With our small pixel technology enabling high resolution in a small package and low manufacturing cost we are exceptionally well positioned for this market.

    It looks like the sweet spot for cell phones initially is going to be WVGA (854 by 480 pixels) and I expect that we will soon see 720P (1280 by 720 pixels) in cell phone projectors. - Karl Guttag

    Well, a few things have happened since 2009:

    1) Karl no longer work for Syndiant

    2) the LBS Celluon Picopro is more portable and affordable than the laser-illuminated UO Smart Beam Laser

    3) we've yet to see a laser-illuminated LCoS projector embedded in a smart phone.

    Comments Karl?

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Karl got Fat-----------Here is your solution Karl

    by jinqua Jul 10, 2015 10:07 AM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jul 12, 2015 11:52 AM Flag

    Note what Mark Novak said about how LCoS contrast was too low and what adding lasers would do to the volume and price. Is this why the SK Telecom UO Smart Beam Laser is a tall cube that costs $75 more than the Celluon Picopro?

    From Guttag's blog:

    Pico Insider
    December 20, 2011 at 11:38 pm
    Karl,

    We worked together at TI many years ago. TIGA,340xx products. Good times.

    I am now working on a pico laser projector (not MVIS) and must tell you that cell phone vendors are looking for 5mm in height, 3 – 4cc in volume, 20 Lumens in brightness, and 720p in resolution. These can be achieved by laser-MEMS projectors, but not by LCOS or DLP. Not now. Not ever. Physics.

    LCOS has much to low contrast. To boost it effectively, this technology would have to revert to lasers and the cost/volume/speckle would go way up. DLP cannot exceed SVGA in resolution and achieve the power/size/volume goals required by cell phone and other handheld devices. More physics. Etendue.

    What is holding back laser-MEMS projectors is cost and green laser availability. We anticipate that to ramp up in 2013. Expect the electronic BOM cost to drop to $40 in 2013 and below $30 in 2014 and lower after that. Laser-MEMS technology will be dominant in embedded platforms.

    DLP and LCOS will be relegated to standalone and media projectors. Not a bad market, but certainly not the large volume that investors in these technologies expect.

    Mark

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    $450?!

    by geoffreyporter Jun 25, 2015 9:32 PM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 26, 2015 10:06 AM Flag

    "It is no wonder that kguttag has maintained that embedding a pico-projector in a cell phone is not likely to happen. What he didn't say is that it is far more difficult for LCoS or DLP based pico-projectors than for LBS ones."

    Excellent point. A former colleague made Guttag aware of the limits of and future for LCoS almost four years ago.

    From Guttag's blog:

    Pico Insider
    December 20, 2011 at 11:38 pm
    Karl,

    We worked together at TI many years ago. TIGA,340xx products. Good times.

    I am now working on a pico laser projector (not MVIS) and must tell you that cell phone vendors are looking for 5mm in height, 3 – 4cc in volume, 20 Lumens in brightness, and 720p in resolution. These can be achieved by laser-MEMS projectors, but not by LCOS or DLP. Not now. Not ever. Physics.

    LCOS has much to low contrast. To boost it effectively, this technology would have to revert to lasers and the cost/volume/speckle would go way up. DLP cannot exceed SVGA in resolution and achieve the power/size/volume goals required by cell phone and other handheld devices. More physics. Etendue.

    What is holding back laser-MEMS projectors is cost and green laser availability. We anticipate that to ramp up in 2013. Expect the electronic BOM cost to drop to $40 in 2013 and below $30 in 2014 and lower after that. Laser-MEMS technology will be dominant in embedded platforms.

    DLP and LCOS will be relegated to standalone and media projectors. Not a bad market, but certainly not the large volume that investors in these technologies expect.

    Mark

  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com by geoffreyporter Jun 25, 2015 9:32 PM Flag

    The Smart Beam Laser is now available on Amazon for $450. Why so expensive, Karl?

  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 21, 2015 7:49 PM Flag

    Karl,

    I've posed the following question to you several times yet you've never responded. This Lenovo prototype shows what is possible with Laser Beam Scanning (LBS) Why have we yet to see a laser illuminated LCoS projector embedded in a cell phone? Is heat an issue at a 20 lumen output?

  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 21, 2015 6:09 PM Flag

    Ah, yes. The world's first laser projector smartphone uses Laser Beam Scanning, NOT laser illuminated LCoS like an unemployed blogger really, REALLY hoped it would.

    Digislide, Spectralus and Syndiant Combine To Create Superior Miniature Projection System For Mobile Phones

    U
    This creative trinity is developing a laser based miniature projection system using Digislide's precision optics and video processing unit, Syndiant's LCOS display panel and Spectralus's green laser. The Digismart Miniature Projection Technologies,, to be demonstrated to manufacturers, industry partners, consumers and the media at CES (Las Vegas) in January, 2012 will be suitable for embedding in mobile phones and other small hand held devices.


    Syndiant is a fabless semiconductor company founded in 2004. Its founder, Mr Karl Guttag has over 30 years of work in the digital imaging industry, and is a named inventor on over 135 US patents.

  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com by geoffreyporter Jun 19, 2015 6:23 PM Flag

    1. How does a Laser Beam Scanning projector produce the color black?
    2. Did you test the resolution of your Celluon Laser Beam Scanning projector with a black and white test pattern created by yourself?
    3. Have you tested the resolution of the Celluon projector with a color test pattern?

  • Reply to

    Compound Photonics

    by globalman2go Jun 10, 2015 4:22 PM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 10, 2015 11:32 PM Flag

    We've also not seen a fanless laser-illuminated LCoS prototype or product. Why is this?

  • Reply to

    Compound Photonics

    by globalman2go Jun 10, 2015 4:22 PM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 10, 2015 5:05 PM Flag

    What we've not seen from this company or Syndiant is a laser-illuminated LCoS projector embedded in a prototype tablet or smartphone. Why is this?

  • Reply to

    Karl's Former Colleague Called It

    by geoffreyporter Jun 8, 2015 3:35 AM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 8, 2015 12:42 PM Flag

    The package height of Syndiant's 720p LCOS Light Modulation Panel is 7.75 mm. Google it. Still too tall to make the desired 5 mm height for cell phones.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    Karl's Former Colleague Called It

    by geoffreyporter Jun 8, 2015 3:35 AM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 8, 2015 11:00 AM Flag

    Almost four years after the prediction, 720p laser-illuminated LCoS has not been able to come close to a height of 5mm.

    Syndiant Selected by Cremotech and SK Telecom for its Laser HD Pico Projector
    Syndiant and Cremotech introduce a Laser optical engine for high definition pico projector.

    DALLAS – (January 5, 2015) – Syndiant, a leader in high resolution LCOS micro displays, has teamed up with Cremotech, a leader in laser based optical engine development, to announce an innovative engine for pico projector applications. The engine size is 50.5 mm by 48.1 mm by 19.85 mm including red, green and blue lasers, optics, and Syndiant’s SYL2271 720p HD micro display.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com by geoffreyporter Jun 8, 2015 3:35 AM Flag

    He may have been wrong about the availability of green laser diodes but he was right about the desired height of an embedded engine.

    From Guttag's blog:

    Pico Insider
    December 20, 2011 at 11:38 pm
    Karl,

    We worked together at TI many years ago. TIGA,340xx products. Good times.

    I am now working on a pico laser projector (not MVIS) and must tell you that cell phone vendors are looking for 5mm in height, 3 – 4cc in volume, 20 Lumens in brightness, and 720p in resolution. These can be achieved by laser-MEMS projectors, but not by LCOS or DLP. Not now. Not ever. Physics.

    LCOS has much to low contrast. To boost it effectively, this technology would have to revert to lasers and the cost/volume/speckle would go way up. DLP cannot exceed SVGA in resolution and achieve the power/size/volume goals required by cell phone and other handheld devices. More physics. Etendue.

    What is holding back laser-MEMS projectors is cost and green laser availability. We anticipate that to ramp up in 2013. Expect the electronic BOM cost to drop to $40 in 2013 and below $30 in 2014 and lower after that. Laser-MEMS technology will be dominant in embedded platforms.

    DLP and LCOS will be relegated to standalone and media projectors. Not a bad market, but certainly not the large volume that investors in these technologies expect.

    Mark

    From the recent Laser World article:

    The Lenovo smartphone uses a micro projector that is less than 5 mm thick, while still incorporating red, green, and blue lasers, lens, and micro mirrors.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Reply to

    STM/MVIS connection (updated)

    by view_from_afar Jun 6, 2015 3:14 PM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 6, 2015 6:33 PM Flag

    Wait, do you mean to tell me that the world's first laser projector smartphone could be co-produced by Lenovo, STMicro and MicroVision?!

    Dang! Karl was so close!

    Digislide, Spectralus and Syndiant Combine To Create Superior Miniature Projection System For Mobile Phones

    This creative trinity is developing a laser based miniature projection system using Digislide's precision optics and video processing unit, Syndiant's LCOS display panel and Spectralus's green laser. The Digismart Miniature Projection Technologies,, to be demonstrated to manufacturers, industry partners, consumers and the media at CES (Las Vegas) in January, 2012 will be suitable for embedding in mobile phones and other small hand held devices.

    Syndiant is a fabless semiconductor company founded in 2004. Its founder, Mr Karl Guttag has over 30 years of work in the digital imaging industry, and is a named inventor on over 135 US patents.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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    Lenovo Smart Cast video

    by drunkn_rage Jun 5, 2015 2:23 PM
    geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 5, 2015 4:22 PM Flag

    Ah, yes. The world's first laser projector smartphone uses Laser Beam Scanning, NOT laser illuminated LCoS like an unemployed blogger really, really hoped it would.

    Digislide, Spectralus and Syndiant Combine To Create Superior Miniature Projection System For Mobile Phones

    U
    This creative trinity is developing a laser based miniature projection system using Digislide's precision optics and video processing unit, Syndiant's LCOS display panel and Spectralus's green laser. The Digismart Miniature Projection Technologies,, to be demonstrated to manufacturers, industry partners, consumers and the media at CES (Las Vegas) in January, 2012 will be suitable for embedding in mobile phones and other small hand held devices.


    Syndiant is a fabless semiconductor company founded in 2004. Its founder, Mr Karl Guttag has over 30 years of work in the digital imaging industry, and is a named inventor on over 135 US patents.

  • geoffreyporter@rocketmail.com geoffreyporter Jun 4, 2015 2:48 PM Flag

    "...keep aligned 5 lasers over temperature,..."? What in the WORLD does this even mean?

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