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goldbug49ers 221 posts  |  Last Activity: 2 hours 44 minutes ago Member since: Jul 9, 2010
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    by goldmanpillageandsack 7 hours ago
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers 2 hours 44 minutes ago Flag

    There is not really much to say about this state of affairs, except that it was suspected.

    Central banks wield power that is not in the hands of anyone else. The comment by Mayer Amschel Rothschild still stands as well today as when he make the comment: "Give me control of a nation's money
    and I care not who makes the laws."

    Today this control using fiat money is nearly universal. World banks are electronically interconnected and NONE of them have any love for precious metals (PMs) in the hands of anyone else besides themselves, despite all this talk about “currency wars”. The more intelligent among you who read this will know what it implies for everyone outside the circle of the elitists, and why PMs have fallen so drastically and will probably continue to do so until there is literally no farther than it can fall. Whoever correctly determines the bottom for the PM sector will become truly wealthy. It is stupid to listen to those who always say, “ I bought a boatload of AUY stock because I expect it soon will be worth much more.” Really? And when is “soon”.

  • goldbug49ers goldbug49ers 3 hours ago Flag

    The trouble is you haven’t provided YOUR reason, making it a rather useless comment that could be taken in different ways.

    Let’s say AUY goes to $1/share. Then let’s say the gold market turns around and gold goes from $1,100/oz to $2,000/oz. At that point let’s say AUY is now priced at $25/share. Could that be the lesson you are talking about?

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    The Hows and Whys of Gold Price Manipulation

    by flyboy145 Jul 24, 2015 8:23 AM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers 18 hours ago Flag

    That’s a really lame response. We understand what you are saying, but why not say it so others will understand. At least then you’ll have to reveal you’re too afraid to point the finger at the real culprit.

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    The Hows and Whys of Gold Price Manipulation

    by flyboy145 Jul 24, 2015 8:23 AM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 25, 2015 11:38 PM Flag

    So you think David Rockefeller is an intellectual idiot. The trouble is he, and those he associates with, are the source of the information. Go do your own DD and get it straight from the “conspiracists”.

    “ Rockefeller's 2002 autobiography "Memoirs" he wrote: "For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I STAND GUILTY (emphasis added), and I am proud of it."

    You apparently think what goes on at the secret Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, CFR, Illuminati, TriLateral Commission and other similar secret meetings of the super rich and well connected are simply innocent social events. You, as an Al Gore supporter, probably even buy into the global warming thesis. Dream on brother. These gatherings are not to improve your standard of living, but are brain storming sessions to do exactly the opposite.

    All of this enormous wealth in the hands of a few was stolen through the establishment of fiat money by the same. That’s what the Jekyll Island meeting in 1910 was all about. It’s as simple as the quote attributed to Mayer Amschel Rothschild: “Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!”

    We know, that if you have a response, as usual it will be non-specific and backed up by nothing. It is suggested that you know what you are writing about before you decide to post here. Truth is always welcomed. That which purports to be truth but is not, is not.

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    The Hows and Whys of Gold Price Manipulation

    by flyboy145 Jul 24, 2015 8:23 AM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 25, 2015 5:08 AM Flag

    Any who think the scenario presented by Roberts and Kranzler was not planned is naïve. It is the one-world government scenario pointed out by none other than David Rockefeller in his book. This sums up all those who come together to plan the destruction of humanity. In order to bring it about they need to grab all the real wealth, including the mining companies that bring it into existence from Mother Earth. Remember that part of their strategy is to produce massive financial failures, whose losses are socialized; meaning the responsibility to correct those losses is in the hands of everyone else.

    There is no information about where the elitists behind the hollowed out central banks have placed their assets, but it is probably safe to guess that, like the Chinese gold hoard, it resides with the elitists. Some would call the move of the elitists brilliant. Perhaps those who read this could be likewise “brilliant” were they able to print all required to exchange it for real assets. Pundits, outside the main stream media are pointing to the fact that, as a group, the super rich have as their objective the elimination of vast numbers of populations everywhere. What better way than to garner control of exchange mediums removing the ability of the dispossessed to survive.

    Remember that central banks are not non-living entities. They are run by an extremely evil bunch of people behind the scenes with virtually no information as to who is really pulling the strings. For example, if you visit the website of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) all that is displayed are photos of participants and country flags; NO NAMES, but there are obviously many in the photos that are of European extraction. Some time ago it was stated that David Rothschild is/was on the board. Such a lack of detail is too bad. If they could be pointed out regularly, BY NAME, a reversal of fortunes for the rest of humanity would result. The courts would know who to go after.

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    Beware of this fun!

    by goldbug49ers Feb 26, 2015 10:48 PM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 24, 2015 10:48 PM Flag

    Additionally we went through the top 10 companies in this funds portfolio. Some of them are really questionable. They have no trailing or forward P/E ratios. It looks like Holmes is using investor money to prop up failing enterprises. This fund must be on his "kill list".

  • goldbug49ers by goldbug49ers Jul 24, 2015 2:08 PM Flag

    ...PM sector up. However, wait till the “other shoe drops” and the market REALLY crashes, like in China currently. Indices still have a way to go before hitting support. It’s wait & see whether the Fed will again throw funny money at the downturn to rescue everyone attached to the financial sector.

  • goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 23, 2015 5:42 PM Flag

    Congratulations, Viewit:

    Too many here appear to be wringing their hands in despair as the whole sector continues down. We’re not sure of the reason. Shouldn’t people be happy, if they intend to buy, to be looking for a really good price point to do so? Maybe they, or at least some of them, are shorts trying to make others think we are near a bottom and therefore it’s time to buy.

    We do have some disagreement with your comment about “big money”. If it is really in that category it looks for 100’s % in gains.

    We think that the continuing plunge in the Chinese stock exchange, and now the major indices here appear to be heading down, and that we should be gleefully looking for really good prices to buy. If it was anything else, like the latest greatest iPhone, they would be looking for the best deal where to get it at the cheapest price.

    It’s understandable that many have a lot of money tied in at higher prices and maybe expended all their dry powder so they can’t take advantage of lower prices. But even these could make up their losses by buying near the bottom. Some of the companies in this sector could eventually achieve 1000%+ gains when the bottom is in. That would sure make up for a lot of what many are considering losses, realized and unrealized.

    For all of the faint hearted, here’s something to remember. There has NEVER been a fiat currency in history that hasn’t eventually gone to ZERO. Remember also, that markets can go against you longer than you can remain solvent (paraphrasing a comment attributed to Keynes). This means that it is absolutely essential to wait for the REAL bottom before buying.

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    Our topic was just deleted...

    by goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 5:48 PM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 6:08 PM Flag

    We would, were we allowed to.

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    Our topic was just deleted...

    by goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 5:48 PM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 6:07 PM Flag

    ...for some the truth is too dangerous to see the light of day.

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    Our topic was just deleted...

    by goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 5:48 PM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 6:02 PM Flag

    ... and yet again.

  • goldbug49ers by goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 5:48 PM Flag

    ...and there were no violations of TOS (i. e., it was censored).

  • goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 2:51 PM Flag

    You are missing a fundamental reason why gold is plunging. Why no one was talking about this previously shows either stupidity and incompetence by the gold sector gurus, or an indication that they are in bed with the banksters, along with precious metals mining managements, like Macaroni, to make sure the Joe Six Pack crowd doesn’t come on board at the right time to the gold bug band wagon.

    There have been stories about the irrational exuberance of Chinese stock market participants, but none pointing to the probable outcome: See the previous post.

  • goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 2:23 PM Flag

  • goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 22, 2015 4:20 AM Flag

    Although news of a crashing Chinese stock market and the financial situation in Greece would appear to make gold a winner, counter intuitively it has moved in the opposite direction, down. Certainly there have been margin calls erupting in China and the need to fulfill those obligations. In the past that has always been the reason gurus have given for gold tumbling. That doesn’t appear in any reports we’ve seen, except for the following titled: “Why Millions of People Might Have to Sell Their Gold and Silver” by Casey Research on July 8th (day after a significant downturn).

    The article quotes the following by Louis James, editor of International Speculator who blames China:

    "The world’s biggest gold buyers are suffering a major liquidity crunch. Many won’t have the cash to buy anything, not even gold. Worse, hundreds of Chinese stocks are halted and huge numbers of investors are facing margin calls. That means that many who own gold will be selling because it’s the one thing they can get a bid on.

    When a large number of buyers are forced to become sellers… well, counter intuitive days like today can make sense.

    If I’m right about this, precious metals will slide until the liquidity crunch in China passes. We saw the same thing in 2008. But when this reversal happens, the rebound should be even sharper. Unlike most Americans or Europeans, Chinese people do see gold as an important form of wealth protection."

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    It would be really cool...

    by moses_on_wall_street Jul 21, 2015 2:43 PM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 21, 2015 7:00 PM Flag

    At this point, because of its share price, we are considering the possibility that SLW could become a non-expiring option if the price declines further. Option buyers, more often than not, experience the options they own expiring worthless, which is not the case for shareholders.

    SLW is only one of many in the precious metals (PM) sector experiencing terrible performance. It is not possible that PM mining companies will not, in general, experience a turnaround, although some may fail, since that would be counter to all that is known historically about fiat money. The positive side of SLW is that it operates as a royalty/streaming company, and is not involved directly in mining. The timing of a turn-a-round is unknown to anyone, except perhaps central banks and the elitists who actually direct their operations. On that point it is probably more likely that a surprise event, even unknown to elitists, will overwhelm their ability to react to save the day.

    We are looking at a Canadian mining company that now sells for around $ 0.30/share, when originally it was $62/share. It is experiencing debt repayment problems and may go bankrupt, but if there is a PM turn-a-round it could exceed 150 times current price. We did the research and don’t wish to reveal the name of the company.

    Honing in on things like tax issues is just a minor detail in the overall scheme of where PM share prices will eventually turn around and resume their bull run. This takes extreme patience to not allow whip-sawing to destroy capital before that turn-a-round resumes.

    It is interesting to note that SLW call writers are no longer engaging in LEAPS options, which could indicate they expect a turn-a-round soon and the risk of writing calls no longer makes them attractive. This is not subject to call writing for misinformation purposes due to the risk and cost factor.

  • ... are many Chinese being forced to disgorge their gold holdings, which are heading towards being the largest anywhere? Here in the United States, whenever the financial markets are in a downturn it is stated that the plunge in precious metals also accompanies it because many investors have to sell theirs to meet debt requirements (i. e., margin calls). Strangely, so far, the same story doesn’t seem to be circulating about Chinese markets because of the 40% downturn in their financial markets. However today there was a large decrease in the POG out of Hong Kong, so that seems to be what is happening, despite the fact that analysts are not saying so. Perhaps our Internet search was not thorough enough.

  • goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 20, 2015 7:06 PM Flag

    If you believe the pundit editorialists, it’s all supply and demand driven. HA!

    They trot out their charts as proof, stating their past predictions that have been accurate, but never that the past is no guarantee of what they portend in the future. Also at the top of their denials of what drives markets is the issue of manipulation.

    We have a better way of looking at this that has nothing to do with charts, fundamentals, mathematical theories or manipulation (per se). Merely consider the totality of wealth that is in control of a very few. From that and statements attributed to elitists of a desire to downsize human populations to 10% of current levels and it is relatively easy to see where things are headed and how it will be achieved.

    Consider the footage of then Princess Elizabeth, aged seven, her sister Margaret and the future Queen Mother performing the #$%$ "Sieg heil" (salute as filmed by the Queen’s father, the future King George VI. (Yahoo normally censors this because of the word “#$%$”. You draw your own conclusions as to why.)

    Also consider the recent comment posted on InfoWars on Prince Philip’s views of humanity: “The Duke of Edinburgh, who once expressed his wish to come back as a virulent disease and decimate humanity, has again revealed his contempt for the lower classes in Britain.” This took place in an east London community center where he berated those in attendance for “sponging” off the public treasuries. While government “sponging” definitely has negative implications for society as a whole it shouldn’t need to be said that he and the Royals are at the top of the ladder as the biggest sponges on planet Earth along with a short list of the other usual suspects.

    Finally, assessing your comments, “flyboy”, there is one thing you overlooked; Failures To Deliver or FTDs. Please visit the Deep Capture website to see that what is legal and what actually happens are entirely different.

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    Price of silver

    by widjj Jul 15, 2015 4:39 PM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 20, 2015 2:40 AM Flag

    We just read the current editorial by Mark Lundeen, in which he quoted from G. Edward Griffin’s book, “The Creature from Jekyll Island”. Lundeen’s editorial is titled, “Devastating Trends in “Economic Growth”.

    What all need to remember about the price of precious metals is that central banks and politicians depend on fiat money to maintain their power. They wall do literally anything to retain power, just like a drug dealer will engage in unspeakable acts of violence to guarantee the traffic in drugs. In fact that is a good analogy, in that the largest banks, like HSBC are also involved in the drug trade as money launderers.

    Ask yourself, how can you possibly hope to succeed in buying into what you perceive to be a bottom when central banks have unlimited power, not only to manipulate the currency markets, but also the stock markets. Note that volume is drying up. Market makers have manipulated to the point where they will literally be “playing with themselves” since much of the public has left. This is contrary to what happened prior to 1929 because of Fed interference which takes the averages ever higher on contracting volume. That is also why the crash will be much worse when it happens, because the rise is artificial and not market driven.

    The only thing to reverse this is events beyond the abilities of central banks to manipulate markets in the direction they wish; then the bottom will fall out. Remaining investors who thought it would be forever onward and upward are going to get burned. The crash will happen so quickly that not even the PPT will grant the opportunity for small investors who remain in the market to sell their shares because there will be a shortage of buyers. Greed always keeps those who have watched their portfolios grow in value wait until the plunge, wishing they had sold some time ago when they still had enormous profits.

    If you buy now you will be as great a fool as those who were mislead just prior to the crash of ’29.

  • Reply to

    Where is Goldmanpillageandsack?

    by thoughtfulman Jul 16, 2015 8:27 AM
    goldbug49ers goldbug49ers Jul 18, 2015 4:34 AM Flag

    Yes we did create TheShadowKnows for the purpose of demonstrating that we know “What Evils lurks in the hearts of men” who take the US Constitution and distort it for their own selfish ends.

    You’re very particular on what you chose to respond to and what you chose to ignore, unlike us that answered your request for an opinion on Ayn Rand, which we answered as being off topic.

    On the other hand we asked the on topic opinion from you on Nancy Pelosi and SCOTUS Justice Roberts, both of which you chose to ignore. Obviously answering these questions would have been impossible because it exposes you for what you are.

    You say we didn’t answer with our interpretation of the US Constitution by saying, “Congress has the right to make any law that is 'necessary and proper' for the execution of its enumerated powers” That wording does not occur.

    The Constitution says, “To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the FOREGOING POWERS, (which is the operative statement ignored by you) and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”

    We are only allowed a character count of 1,984 characters, which you know and depend on so you (and Yahoo) can limit any detailed response, a relatively new limitation. Perhaps you should read the length of decisions by SCOTUS, some measuring in the 10’s of thousands. We answered those parts of your post that were more directed to the topic for the reason stated of character limitations.

    Conveniently you ignored the part of “carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers”. Nothing within the US Constitution justifies a private central bank answering only to the objectives of its non-government elitist owners, and not the People. The word “bank” does not even occur, but the word “Treaasury” does, which is a legitimate and public financial arm of the US Government.

    Get out of here you damned elitist puppet dissembler.

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