WE’VE decided that we will initiate a common response to your failure to state why you think that Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) are “legal tender”. The following is OUR comment to you, and your response in quotes:
“BTW, fiat money is not counterfeit, and it is constitutional, as proven many time before.”; and who proved it? YOU? That’s only your opinion. It doesn’t align with the US Constitution. See Article 1, Section 10. Post its contents here so everyone can observe how wrong you are. You will find your proper place in life fairly soon, and WE hope you find YOUR prison environs to your liking, as they are proper residence for all law breakers, and in particular this most important set of statements within the US Constitution.
Expect to see the above often, but no other comments to your posts, unless you answer the question of Constitutionality of FRNs as per Article I, Section 10 of the US Constitution. Be sure you also include how the FR Act was passed in secret while the opposition was gone for the Holidays. Obviously the Supreme Court was bought off on this, too.
As you are all tied up in a knot over the minor issue of OUR screen names; per your comment; “Why do you think you are more than one person?” WE seldom use the singular anymore; too much trouble. WE do have a common understanding on the difference between right and wrong, and what constitutes FRAUD, i. e., un-Constitutional counterfeit monopoly money issued by the Federal Reserve (printed by the United States Bureau of Engraving and Printing-as accomplices to the crime).
The following is our OTHER screen name, which you seem to have a problem with among your many other problems of dealing with the truth: GoldBug49er. WE changed it by pluralizing it to more accurately represent OURSELVES, and are honest about our screen names, unlike you.
All who read this should note that it is no coincidence at all that you post minutes apart, just like “peas in a pod”.
Note that “dhs39399” & “Mainst9” post on both the Yamana message board and Silver Wheaton message board, sometimes minutes apart. We wouldn’t characterize them as “disinformation agents”. Rather he/she/they are either pawns of the banking cartel or have been brain-washed in academia.
See our latest post at the Yamana message board on the Topic: “Reply to U.S. Economy Added 271,000 Jobs in October; Unemployment Rate at 5.0%”
Incidentally, within an earlier post we noted the people of Iceland had wisely ridded their country of their brand of financial crooks. Mainst9 responded that Iceland also has a “central bank”; which was an attempt to suggest that it was also private thereby suggesting that we were naive. Not so. Iceland’s bank is an arm of the Icelandic government. However their money is fiat as well. Even they cannot apparently perceive that the root of financial difficulties in governments is counterfeit (fiat) money. It seems banksters and politicians everywhere can’t resist the temptation to cheat when it comes to debauching their exchange mediums, as it removes spending discipline and encourages corruption.
Keith Weiner had an interesting solution to the Greek debt crisis with an article titled: “Keith Weiner: Open Letter to Alexis Tsipras SNB & CHF” in which he suggested that Greece should remove itself from the European Union and the Euro, reissuing the Drachma backed by Gold. Ultimately that would bring prosperity the envy of all other nations.
Greece has some history to fall back on when it issued the Bezant as part of the Eastern Roman Empire. The Bezant was a gold coin universally accepted by all nations that had trade relations with Greece at the time. They also had a vibrant economy with inhabitants who had a high standard of living.
Your previous comment:
“BTW, fiat money is not counterfeit, and it is constitutional, as proven many time before.” It doesn’t align with the US Constitution. See Article 1, Section 10.
Expect to see the above often, but no other comments to your posts, unless you answer the question of Constitutionality of FRNs as per Article I, Section 10 of the US Constitution, which follows. Be sure you also respond to how the FR Act was passed in secret in 1913 while the opposition was gone for the Holidays. Obviously the Supreme Court was bought off on this, too. Perhaps the only thing that time requires to be changed is the lifetime tenure of Supreme
US Constitution- Article I, Section 10
“No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; MAKE ANY THING BUT GOLD AND SILVER COIN A TENDER IN PAYMENT OF DEBTS; ...”
Admit your ignorance, “dhb39399”. This is still the law of the land, despite what the private corrupting influences of elitists and their allies have done since this was penned; in particular the super secret meeting of the world’s richest at Jekyll Island in the winter of 1910, solely for their benefit.
If your side with the above, YOU ARE the enemy. WE, all who are Americans, have the duty to protect the words within this document, against ENEMIES foreign and domestic.
Yes. We know who Lila Rajiva is. She is a dissembler that posts on the DeepCapture website. We have long wondered about this website run by the founder of Overstock, who for some reason can't seem to fathom the effect of fiat money on average people as one only interested in his own prosperity. You will never see Patrick M. Byrne discuss the corruption of fiat counterfeit monopoly money on the downward direction of this country, as he, like Lila Rajiva, prefers to cozy up to the elitists for what might come his way as a result. Rather it is better, he thinks, to pick around the edges of the problem that creates the corruption he decries.
Rajiva claims to be from a poor family in India, but we wonder if she feels kissing up to the elitists will enhance her prosperity.
First we state where we align, and that is with libertarian (small L) philosophy. The Libertarian Party has been largely ineffective, which is in no small part due to the bashing by the media. Why anyone would seek to destroy the small government, Constitutionally driven actions of this group we believe has Fascist overtones we cannot support, despite the commentary by Lila Rajiva supported by you.
We observed Lila Rajiva’s comment on the statement of a poster on the DeepCapture website. The post from that screen name noted that Patrick M. Byrne never comments about Byrne’s failure to charge the Fed with creating conditions which will ultimately be far more damaging than the group of banksters & gangsters exposed in Byrne’s and Mark Mitchell’s investigations. We believe that fiat money encourages these types to rise in numbers, many of whom have become part of Wall Street’s largest firms, Michael Milken for one in the distant past. Rajiva’s comment to that poster was that the objective of the website was solely to expose the details of those who have been involved in Wall Street corruption. In our opinion the reason for this is that Overstock is dependent on the largess, cheap fiat (fake) money, provided by the Fed. in the form of loans. This is the ultimate corruption that spawns all others.
For Rajiva, when asked to comment on this glaring omission, and to respond that this is not the objective of the DeepCapture website is NOT “killing the messenger”, because we are not dealing with a “messenger” interested in ridding the country of its major problem, fiat counterfeit Fed issued monopoly money. This deserves at least some acknowledgement as part of the websites “objectives”.
Cowardice, by the way, is more accurately defined by those who refuse to target the Fed for its ongoing destruction of the country’s gold/silver based monetary system for over 100 years, and failure to acknowledge its unconstitutionality in terms of the US Constitution, Article I, Section.
That's Article I, Section 10 (truncated despite Yahoo's acceptance as displayed.
First of all, if “sitting law members” are unable to read/interpret that does not invalidate what the US Constitution states. Remember that at this time in history money had lost its value both as issued by the states, and the complete loss in value of the Continental Currency, A FEDERALLY ISSUED CURRENCY.
You’re depending on your interpretation that those who read what is written will be at a reading level making them unable to understand your fallacies. If the Supreme Court went along with the issuance of fiat money, beginning during the Civil War, and granting a PRIVATE central bank the currencies issuance in 1913, that was in fact Unconstitutional and, at the time, provided “legality” by a bought and paid for SCOTUS.
Again, copied and pasted directly from the government website, Article I, Section 10 states:
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; ...”
It states, “No State shall ... coin money”. THAT OF COURSE LEAVES IT AS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. It also states that “No State shall...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; ...” That leaves no room for crooks like you to seek legality for the issuance of fiat money.
So assuming that you are constitutionally driven, per your statements, you apparently pay your taxes, for example, with gold and/or silver, as well as your other bills. LOL
We note you uncharacteristically posted more than usual to support a fallacy; otherwise your bankster handlers would be quite unhappy with you. If you think that using words like “Looney Toones” is adequate rebuttal to destroy an airtight argument you are indeed identifying your allegiance, display a poor sense of logic (deliberately) and have been accurately described as a crook by us (rather than the meaningless term of “Looney Tunes”).
The lead suggested (but unfortunately unstated) is that central bankers here, and hopefully in other nations, will seek to jail, or worse, those in the banking and financial industry that support systems of fiat money.. Only CROOKS, Joe Bonanno Mainst9, think fiat money is honest.
This is not a question of providing ways to manipulate economies for the benefit of the few. It is a question of providing a meritocracy based on honest money, which is the last thing elitists and their pawns (dhb) want.
In fact John D. Rockefeller said, "Competition is a sin." - That was one of the bases for the founding of the Federal Reserve System and the UN-constitutional passing of the Federal Reserve Act. Fiat money is the enabler of such a system of inequity when placed in the hands of private central banks.
Again the reminder to those doing their best TO IGNORE the issue, of how the Federal Reserve Act was passed just before the Christmas Holiday in 1913 when only those in attendance were the supporters of that Act, and knew their competition would not be in Washington, DC to vote. Those who read this Topic please note how the supporter of fiat money will fail to notice this crucial fact. We know of no other way to characterize this than as a political coup. It was the same M. O. of secrecy from the Peoples “representatives” as what took place at Jekyll Island in 1910 at the planning stage of what later took place in 1913.
So “dhb39399” asked how we know what happened at Jekyll Island? We throw that question right back to “dhb” and ask, how do you know that’s NOT what took place? We in fact can answer the question to us but await “dhb’s” answer, which will have to be untrue since we have the facts after which we will provide historical quotes from one of those who was in attendance.
Stay tuned for "dhb's" non-answer.
Note that “dhb” lacks” parsimony (is wordy-in this context) and thereby should be deemed impaired himself rather than suggest anyone else is.
Know that your response was expected, as we stated: “Stay tuned for "dhb's" non-answer.”
You can’t answer because our return would be with the quotes concerning comments by an eyewitness to events at Jekyll Island in 1910. You can’t have your credibility challenged so your non-answers are the result.
We are more than certain that reasonable people will evaluate “dhb39399” for the fraudulent piece of work he/she/they represent.
Wikipedia confirms our previous statements about the Legal Tender Act, Its origins were during the Civil War. It also has a further topic called Legal Tender Cases. There has never been a statement of the validity of this Act. Article I, Section 10 has never been abrogated. Instead “Acts” have been passed, which are NOT Constitutional Amendments. It is certain that if a Constitutional Amendment was attempted to strike out Article I, Section 10 of the US Constitution it would fail, overwhelmingly; hus the end run, the Legal Tender Act. There was a back and forth battle over the validity of this Act in Hepburn vs Griswold, first declaring fiat to be unconstitutional, finally acceding to bankster pressure to invalidate Hepburn vs Griswold.
The country is 18 triillion$ in debt with a 20 trillion$ number in the works. It is obvious that politicians will continue spending with future increases ad infinitum. This is stealing which the elitist classes feel confident they are able to escape, while everyone else suffers from "inflation". “Inflation” did in fact rise during the Civil War, but recovered afterwards.
Fiat money in the US was born in war, the Revolution, Civil War, followed by WWI with many wars subsequently until the current Middle East conflicts. War will eventually completely destroy the value of the US$, benefiting only military contractors, politicians, the financial district, government workers and bankster pawns like “dhb39399”.
The strident and desperate comments of those on this message board continually in support of fiat money shows either extreme ignorance of the consequences or a penchant for monetary plunder, caring not a wit about the coming worldwide financial meltdown that will result.
Interestingly the author of this Topic failed to point to the real reason fiat money was created; WAR. That has been the case every time throughout history. Every time FIAT HAS ULTIMATELY FAILED as an exchange medium.
"...You know the advantages of using fiat money is taught at every university throughout the world ..."
Exactly. And that is the problem. The problem you are having is that not all students are "stupid".
Had you lived back in the day, you would have been quite unhappy with POTUS Andrew Jackson, preferring instead to be a supporter of Nicholas Biddle. Fortunately for the people of the day, Jackson won that round, renewal of the central bank’s charter was denied and prosperity followed, until the advent of the Civil War. It seems you have forgotten the lessons of history and all, worldwide this time, will suffer the consequences that hold to your views and of the views of others like you.
WE, by the way, believe the Civil War was a mistake largely driven by Lincoln’s failure to oppose the Fugitive Slave Act. If you chose to engage in your derogatory name calling, it would necessarily sully the name of Judge Andrew Napolitano and of renowned others of similar views. Of course you are so full of yourself that likely is of no consequence.
The elitists involved, since the founding of the Federal Reserve System, have NO allegiance to ANY political persuasion. Their objective is domination through monetary means without getting involved with ethics, religions, or politics; solely relying on how to steal the financial assets of others.
However their alliance with Communism and the Bolshevik Revolution is well documented in the case of David Rockefeller, Jacob Schiff, the Rothschild’s, J. P. Morgan, Allen Walker of the Guarantee Trust Company, Daniel Willard, president of the Baltimore & Ohio Railway, John D. Rockefeller and many others too numerous to mention within Yahoo’s character limitations; but you can see where this is going. Persons looked up to, by virtue of slanted news at variance with American interests, has kept high profile elitists who engage in sedition shielded from criminal prosecution. With previous AJs like Eric Holder of the Obama Administration the likelihood of future prosecutions is nil.
WE continually must oppose the sympathies to the likes of the above whose methods rely on corrupt techniques including out of context quotes, and failure to respond to requests for specific views on matters that would be an embarrassment if they were to, and encouraged possibly because they are housed in government sponsored old-age homes.
WE realize that these are mostly lonely trolls, consumed with ignorance that have no other activity in life than to agitate for responses to fill their day with meaningless commentary. Still, they are damaging to objectives that would bring about constructive change.
WE believe it’s a mistake to try and “pigeon hole” elitists into any particular category. They will morph like a virus into some other form if it meets their objectives of monetary plunder.
Perhaps it’s easier to think of them as socialists, Communists, Whigs, Fabians, etc., but their modus operandi will make that inaccurate. Certainly the age of computers with worldwide linkage in the banking sector is different than when Alexander Hamilton, the Rothschild agent, formulated the US banking system in ways making it amenable to what has existed since 1913, back to the Civil War and previously to Andrew Jackson’s Administration. It’s far easier to commit massive fraud now that lines the pockets of current banksters. Think of it this way. In mere nanoseconds bankster fiat money exchanges can take place driving the price of precious metals in any direction they please. That certainly was not possible in 1787 when the US Constitution was written, nor the Coinage Act of 1792. Hamilton was extremely intelligent, in a bad way. There was plenty of written history available to him in order to craft monetary policies that would benefit the Rothschild’s and other elitists. Hamilton was the one who submitted the report to the House of Representatives that established the Mint whose operations were described in the Coinage Act of 1792.
Note in preparation for this response we looked for those who authored the Coinage Act and came across what is being taught by the “Constitution Center”. LOL ;-( Nowhere within is content of coinage connected to the US Constitution, and silver only occurs as a word in one place while gold is non-existent. No wonder such massive ignorance exists on this subject alone. It aligns with OUR university economics experience. But as mentioned before, fortunately not all students are “stupid”. This explains the thinking of “dhb39399” and “Mainst9” as brainwashed bankster sycophants now residing in a government sponsored old folks home.
Who taught you English grammar. What a mess you made attempting to express your views; for example, "ford perfects" (???)
Take you bedpan and go back to your room in the old folk’s home. The nurse is on her way to treat your dementia with something much safer than Thalidomide.
“... Maybe you should read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. I've been there and have spoken with the author at length. ...”
Griffin is a real treasure of information. His book on the subject of the Fed is very well documented with quotes and a bibliography. Some question the accuracy of what is within, but don’t have anything credible as a response to refute it, meaning that they’ve been brainwashed in academia beyond their capacity to think for themselves. We found it laughable that Martin Armstrong (who is a convicted felon-so called economic analyst) has critiqued Griffin’s study of the Federal Reserve and had nothing good to say about Griffin. But Armstrong’s writings were used as an example in a response to us of why Griffin’s work is inaccurate.
A family member and his wife, who are journalists, were consultants to Griffin in writing the book. However his wife considered his ideas to be a bit out there. I can’t remember her exact words at this moment, but WE find most women (the exception being here) find it difficult to accept the premise that fiat money issued by governments is a complete fraud (counterfeit). It’s that fatherly government syndrome, apparently.
Are “Mainst9”, “ls298h” and “dhb39399” women (a woman) posting out of a government fiat funded retirement home? If so that’s a real “disinfo” source.
By the way the link to the book is available free on Archive Dat Org. which reveals that Griffin has real concern for the level of ignorance among the population and is willing to forgo some income from his book in the interest of dispelling a lack of understanding of how the Fed operates. We just wish he had produced a Spanish language version because immigrants south of the border have had such a long history of fiat funny money that they have no understanding of what real money is. It’s interesting that Spanish money circulated and was accepted during the Colonial era because it was honest money.