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harehau 293 posts  |  Last Activity: 2 hours 46 minutes ago Member since: Oct 10, 2006
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    m and a

    by harehau Jul 13, 2015 1:25 PM
    harehau harehau Jul 13, 2015 2:57 PM Flag

    chump, it's always hard to drive a stake in the sand and stand by it but $13 for Bonanza feels like a great value. But then again, e and p values are driven by the commodity price and reserve potential, the latter is a lot easier. It seems obvious to me that volumes have to start falling off but the market doesn't seem to buy it. The consolidation in the midstream sector has started, Marathon buying Markwest today, Williams by ETE. Seems we should have some deals in e and p. Unless the majors think they have all of the shale inventory they need.

  • Reply to

    A thought

    by nymarv10956 Jul 13, 2015 12:58 PM
    harehau harehau Jul 13, 2015 2:46 PM Flag

    Not sure MWE is up for sale, someone could top the bid, might happen. But MWE got a good deal, they are continuing to run the company, and a larger company. Problem with offer is that it was based on the currency of a smaller co with a bigger growth rate. But then you have a significant drop down inventory, $1.8 billion ebitda. MPC is up big today and MPLX is down big. Bottom line MWE is up 13% or thereabouts dividend is cut in half but growth is doubled. A $60 value growing 25% for the next five years, gets you $180 unit value plus 3% yield per year, close to $200 value/$60, 230% return. Assume $60 unit value,13% growth and 7%, unit value of $110 in five years, plus 7% yield annually, 120% total return. Numbers are rough but this is a good deal long term. If a company with mediocre growth had made an offer, it would have taken a bigger premium.

  • Reply to

    A thought

    by nymarv10956 Jul 13, 2015 12:58 PM
    harehau harehau Jul 13, 2015 1:40 PM Flag

    This seems a great combination, might lose 4% in yield but growth doubles from low teens to mid 20% range. Current total return 13% growth plus 7%, 20% total return and now 25% growth plus 3% yield, 28% total. MPC has as they claim $1.8 billion of ebitda to drop down. Could have been worse, a c corp buyout, and as one comentator said, could still happen at some time in futhre but now you have a $30 billion EV company that could be $50 billion in a couple of years after growth and drop downs, not many could buy it. The risk would be MPC, a la, KMI. But seems bottom line, probably helps prevent that from occurring, the size deterrent. And years of 20% plus growth. And MWE execs are still running the business and they seem to be well regarded. Plus synergies based on geographies.

  • harehau by harehau Jul 13, 2015 1:25 PM Flag

    Just a guess but feels that more m and a should be in the market for e and ps with good assets. May not be BCEI but would probably help values.

  • Reply to

    mlp consolidation

    by harehau Jul 13, 2015 7:50 AM
    harehau harehau Jul 13, 2015 1:14 PM Flag

    Birdog, I would be very surprised if the ETE deal doesn't go through. Phillips could do it, bigger co, not much debt, synergies. Their yield is in the twos, could probably beat the ETE offer, WPZ would remain, tax free exchange. I would take a $84 Phillips offer, which would probably settle out in high $70s. And Phillips has publicly stated that they want to grow the midstream and lessen the impact of refining. Have always stayed away from refining but it could be a good business for the next few years. They have a good chemicals op, Chevron partner. Seems they could bump the ETE offer a few dollars. Don't know how it would play with DCP which is half owned by SE. It needs to be solely owned. Could merge it with WPZ. Might be a way for WMB execs to keep their jobs, they would be an improvement to DCP, imo. More I think about it, would be a good deal, but think ETE might be the better long term combo. Now with the Marathon deal, puts pressure on Phillips to do something. MWE execs got a deal to keep their jobs. I'd take one for one PSX today. $84.

  • Reply to

    Been patiently waiting

    by dingkusbaringus Jul 13, 2015 11:09 AM
    harehau harehau Jul 13, 2015 1:03 PM Flag

    Very similar, crummy assets and high debt. And Ward and Cohen are similar, blowing smoke.

  • Reply to

    Been patiently waiting

    by dingkusbaringus Jul 13, 2015 11:09 AM
    harehau harehau Jul 13, 2015 12:04 PM Flag

    That was a midstream deal. No one would want ARPs assets. A $2 value after they cut the dist, might be a good bet, but you still have Eddie and Lee. Used to think Cooperman was fairly astute but not when it comes to e and p. His SD bet was a disaster, and averaging down on this, he might have it as a private bet after they cut the dist.

  • Reply to

    mlp consolidation

    by harehau Jul 13, 2015 7:50 AM
    harehau harehau Jul 13, 2015 11:42 AM Flag

    The Marathon merger looks like a good deal for MWE, MPLX owners aren't too crazy about it, down signifcantly. MWE growth goes from low teens to mid 20%. Lots of drop down opps, $1.8b of ebitda that Marathon can drop down. At 10x, that's $18 billion of addl value, going to be a big co. Wonder if this puts pressure on Phillips to buy Williams. Phillips could offer one for one stock, $80 value and probably would look like a good combination. Would think this makes Williams more valuable. Also, OKE, TRGP, SEMG, PAGP should be in deals in next few months. The window should be open with low commodity prices into next year.

  • harehau by harehau Jul 13, 2015 11:13 AM Flag

    I would bet ARP is down to a $2 value before commodity prices rebound. Best move now would be to cut dist to zip and operate for survival. At least it's better than an ATLS bet. Cohen and Cooperman deserve each other.

  • Reply to

    mlp consolidation

    by harehau Jul 13, 2015 7:50 AM
    harehau harehau Jul 13, 2015 10:43 AM Flag

    Agree, the China situation is a real issue. Imo, Greece is a media event. Both sides have to reach agreement. If demand holds up, Boone sees 2 mmbs/d growth next year, $60 oil isn't enough to supply the globe. What happens this quarter, who knows, but most see it coming. If I was a major oil co, I would be buying as many of the top tier shale cos as possible. Somewhat surprised more hasn't happened. DNR could be a target at $5, probably private equity. I optimistic, but then again, I am almost always in that camp. If the rest of the world can keep it together, China first, then the shale revolution should continue for years.

  • Marathon merging MWE into their LP. A 30% premium. Probably a good deal. More to come. Wonde if Phillips is looking at WMB, that would be a good possibility although ETE still looks like the best combination. Just a matter of time before OKE, TRGP, SEMG, PAGP.... The Marathon deal moves the refiners further into the midstream area.

  • Reply to

    e and p values

    by harehau Jul 10, 2015 2:38 PM
    harehau harehau Jul 11, 2015 12:29 AM Flag

    Bison, I think WPZ is trading like the ETE deal will happen, if WMB rolls up, you have a $55 WPZ value assuming WMB falls back to $50. I don't think the roll up happens but probably won't lose anything if it doesn't. Your mention of crisis moves, seems since 09, most want to prepare for another crisis. I kind of think it could be another decade or more away. Guessing that just focusing on companies that can grow consistently for years and coupled with a low interest rate would produce fairly good returns. As for interest rates, I sense that Yellen would like to see long term rates begin to rise on their own and she would follow suit.

  • Reply to

    OT - PDCE

    by chumpbuttsmeller Jul 9, 2015 9:56 AM
    harehau harehau Jul 10, 2015 3:46 PM Flag

    cbd, I have decided that almost anything Permian is probably a good buy, not going back to any high debt cos though. PXD, FANG, CXO, XEC, OXY, APA, DVN, MTDR.... CLR seems it should be a good bet on Bakken and OK. EOG for everything. The decline in BCEI doesn't make sense to me, time will tell. If it stays near here for long and if I have funds, would buy more. The equilibrium price may be less than it was but $60 won't cut it, imo. Again, time will tell. Wonder if PDCE will make a run at BCEI, probably should, could pay a big premium and still have a good asset.

  • harehau by harehau Jul 10, 2015 2:38 PM Flag

    Bought some BCEI, $13s seems an irrational value if you believe in $80 oil. But you could say the same with a bunch cos today. DNR in $5s is a great buy. Buying Boone's argument that the world will need 5mm b/d of new supply to keep up with demand. 650 US oil rigs can do it. Problem with irrational values, they sometimes can get more irrational.

  • Reply to

    OT - PDCE

    by chumpbuttsmeller Jul 9, 2015 9:56 AM
    harehau harehau Jul 10, 2015 2:32 PM Flag

    You're right, looking back at it, doesn't look very concise.

    Bottom line, $13 is a ridiculously low value if you believe in $80+ oil.

  • Reply to

    OT - PDCE

    by chumpbuttsmeller Jul 9, 2015 9:56 AM
    harehau harehau Jul 10, 2015 1:55 PM Flag

    chump, cbd... have been trying to wait this quarter's swoon that all are expecting, but decided to buy some BCEI today. In the $13s, seems somewhat irrational. Back out Ark and you can buy acreage at $14k per acre for one of top tier shale plays in the world and 25k b/d prod. Listened to Boone yesterday, while he is not infallible, he stands by his $70s call by end of year, and said if he misses it, will probably be on the low side. Seems the whole universe is almost assuming the US shales can supply the globe at $60. He presented the nos, 50mm b/d outside of US and OPEC, 6% decline, 3mm b/d needs to be replaced. 645 rigs can't do it. Iran barrels if they come back will be next year. He sees 2mm bs/d of demand next year. That's 5 mm b/d that have to be added next year. Most analysts have a $30ish target for BCEI. Not sure what is causing this disproportionate move. If I didn't have so much tied up in Williams and don't want to sell any until the deal with ETE is finalized, I think I'd be buying more. I'm not sure we see much movement until the prod vols start coming down, this week it was down 8k, not much but going in the right direction. Looked at nos on new discoveries around the globe, there is not much being found outside the shales and the majors have an abysmal record in terms of finding cost,s adding volumes. I almost hope I have more funds in the next couple of months if we retest the $40s. Still think it will be short term and that $60 won't come close to supplying the globe. Still think patience will be rewarded.

  • Reply to

    wmb

    by harehau Jul 3, 2015 11:48 AM
    harehau harehau Jul 9, 2015 9:55 AM Flag

    Warren buys a million units of ETE. This combination looks like a great deal. Not sure I wouldn't hang onto ETE for longer term. Already own it and ETP. Could see 15% plus growth for next few years. Market is acting like the US shales will supply the globe. Even if lower prices are reality, increasing volumes are good for midstream cos. PAGP should be in the middle of the growth as well. Hope WMB sees light, ETE comes back with 1 for 1 and the deal is done. $100 value in a couple of years. A China implosion would probably derail the globe but don't think US int rates or Europe will do it.

  • Reply to

    market

    by harehau Jul 8, 2015 2:41 PM
    harehau harehau Jul 9, 2015 9:33 AM Flag

    Jerry, have to look at rate of change, PAA increased 1.5% from last quarter, PAGP 2.3%. Generally PAGP will have % increases double the PAA increases. PAGP is a pure GP that gets a disproportionate amount of cash.

  • harehau by harehau Jul 8, 2015 2:41 PM Flag

    Never stops amazing me, how fickle the market focus. Forgotten is Greece, China and the Fed minutes released. The story is the NYSE which only trades 15 to 20% of listed stocks volume. At least the Fed might hold off this year. 10 yr 2.2%, could be going lower. If the NYSE never opened again, the rest of the trading venues could handle it.

  • harehau harehau Jul 8, 2015 11:09 AM Flag

    Book value is irrelevant if you overpaid for acquisitions the past few years.

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