Ackman did present real facts but sometimes it takes a while for the street to see and or understand the relevance of them. But I dont think HLF was buying back shares due to restrictions during the quiet period and lack of money. they have pretty much shot their wad on the big buybacks. I do think the stock will retrace however, as the move today was over done to the upside. Lots of short covering and short term trading going on with momo monekys imo.
Too funny. Whew! I guess if you REALLY had any shares in HLF then you would not need to be so angry. Ok, so maybe you have managed to buy 10 shares and that is REALLY important to you. You take yourself much too seriously.
I have always made fun of your "make believe" gains and losses. I find it amusing regarding your constant need to impress when nobody really cares. You and your numerous alias's are too easy. LOL
It is not a profit or loss at all since all your shares are only in your imagination. LOL Pathetic attempt to impress a board that could NOT care less about you and your air trades. Go back to filling stock.
were to give HLF the greenlight, their biggest problem at that point would be unbelievable competition from newly formed MLM nutritional scams. Giving official legitimacy to these abhorrent structures would release a torrent of newly minted competitors. After all how hard is it to set up? All you need is commodity products from readily available third party providers, a few paid athlethes and paid for phd/doctors on your advisory board, a copy of the pyramid pay plan and BOOM you are in business. New distributors would be jumping on board to get in the ground floor of the new scams as everyone knows early is better than late when pyramiding!! And with HLF it is definetly LATE in this multi year pyramid SCAM.
All of their profits come from product sales along with shipping and handling charges and selling training aids, after scamming new enrollees. Is that clear enough? Product sales and scam go hand in hand.
don't forget to fully follow the model the recruits would not only have to pay but also would have to recruit family and friends to join also. LOL
Ackman would love the opportunity to prove his case in court. Isn't it obvious the company relies on complacency and greed to continue in operation? Complacent regulators. Greedy distributors. HLF management hopes this simply goes away so they can continue to rob the ignorant masses ad infinitum. It is a clever ruse that has been working for over 30 years for them and longer for others. Disgusting model that is absolutely without any redeeming value whatsoever. And that is being kind. LOL
BTW, Gordito do you use these same dirty tricky tactics of "training" people in your numerous clubs. Basically conning them into buying shakes for 180 days, requiring them to bring others into your clubs? All under the guise of training? Pathetic
Ackman is able to see the significance of all these hidden and hard to decipher activities. He knows what they amount to, but the street is looking for an obvious smoking gun. And he does himself no favors by painting such a graphic picture prior to his presentations that builds up expectations. The CFO is probably correct in the more bark than bite, especially for those unable to grasp the nuances of his presentations. Hopefully, the FTC will be able to do so.
product sales under the guise of training you should say. Nothing is as it appears with this fraud. Training is really just a euphemism for conning people into buying lots of products and getting their friends and family to do the same. Then get them to become distributors themselves, open up more con clubs to keep perpetuating the scheme.
if it were simple it would not have lasted over 30 years. It is a riddle surrounded by mystery and wrapped in fog, but make no doubt. Under all that fog is a MASSIVE MONEY TRANSFER SCHEME THAT IS VERY SOPHISTICATED but with enough veneer of legitimacy to allow them to continue to operate. Ackman is just the man to spend the time digging out the truth. Hopefully he is giving the FTC enough ammo to shut down the more onerous procedures like the one ackman just pointed out about the so called "training" ie selling of product under false pretenses, going on at clubs.
and yet the CEO, namely, MIKEY J hides like a trembling child. His CFO says he is "running the business behind the scenes" LOL . He is simply lawyering up and running. COWARD. Stockholders should be outraged at this lack of leadership on this.
every day that Ackman presents the price rebounds from previous days selloff. His points are excellent however, that once again we get back to the main theme. WITHOUT the FALSE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY this pyramid collapses. Give them credit though , they keep coming up with new methods to promote the false business op and get suckers to buy and drink their shakes pursuing it. LOL
Johnson could challenge Ackman to a debate anytime he wants outside the quiet period. But he wont. He knows he would get his #$%$ kicked but good. Hard to defend a fraud. He hides behind his script and lawyers up. when he tries to speak from the stump he inserts foot squarely in mouth. Johnson wont even take more than softball questions from the CC. Nice talking with you FLUTIE. LOL
eat healthy, get more exercise and sign up as distributor and buy HLF over priced products and use them to tell a good story that is totally bogus, and get on board the money transfer scheme. Get friends and family into the money transfer scheme and on the bogus products. Give them free product or sell at loss to promote the business opportunity. Lose weight because of healthy life style choices. Lose money because you invested in money transfer scheme that was predestined. Gain all weight back after you realize you were taken and get depressed plus you wasted many good relationships. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.