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hudget 89 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 22, 2015 11:31 AM Member since: Oct 27, 2000
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    Manipulation or Belief?

    by hudget Jun 3, 2015 3:03 PM
    hudget hudget Jun 3, 2015 3:09 PM Flag

    LOL that was a bloomberg reports words not mine.

  • The Times says, "Whoever placed the trades most likely reaped millions of dollars in paper gains," but it's a bit odd to manipulate markets to create paper gains. If you're knowingly lying about a company to drive its stock down, when you're done, the rational thing to do is to close your short position and take profits. If you just buy puts and hold onto them for a year, it doesn't look like manipulation; it looks like belief.

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    Now we KNOW what HLF really stands for

    by hudget Jun 3, 2015 1:10 PM
    hudget hudget Jun 3, 2015 2:49 PM Flag

    very good

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    matt levine, the voice of reason

    by sl1capital Jun 3, 2015 9:26 AM
    hudget hudget Jun 3, 2015 2:26 PM Flag

    Why add Fructose at all? Why do they not call it a fructose sugar drink instead of a protein drink. After all it has 9 grams of each in your #1 seller, half and half.

  • it is the symbol of its main product HALF AND HALF aka F1. Half cheap GMO soy protein and half refined fructose sugar. Very clever.

  • hudget hudget Jun 3, 2015 1:04 PM Flag

    Who cares what TEX shorted at, or when, of even IF? Him being short or long does not change the truth about this abomination or its deceptive practices using cheap generic sugar filled products to help them peddle their pyramid marketing plan around the world.

  • Reply to

    matt levine, the voice of reason

    by sl1capital Jun 3, 2015 9:26 AM
    hudget hudget Jun 3, 2015 12:56 PM Flag

    Come on Gordito tell us once again about the nutritional ADVANTAGES of all that ADDED FRUCTOSE to HLF products. Basically your #1 seller is Half cheap GMO soy protein and Half fructose sugar with a cheap vitamin pill thrown in to make it sound healthy. Some nutritional mix . F1 should be renamed to half and half. LOL

  • Fructose is contained in many fruits. Fruit is Good. Therefore adding a bunch of free fructose refined from corn is GOOD and equivalent to eating FRUIT. And anyone who does not like products that ADD fructose are AGAINST eating FRUIT. So much for the EXPERT nutritional advice from one of HLF's leading distributors.

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    google images for herbalife shake labels

    by texexec63 May 29, 2015 2:25 PM
    hudget hudget May 29, 2015 4:21 PM Flag

    Rebut the FACT that Fructose is getting increasing attention as a leading cause of many of the nutritional problems associated with modern society. Simply google fructose metabolism and you will see MANY problems with excessive fructose consumption. Also, why does HLF ADD fructose to its products? Also, I never said Fruit was bad. So you are making stuff up again. And to imply that because fruit contains fructose therefore fructose is NOT bad when added to other products is a total lack of logic. Fruit contains numerous macro and micro nutrients. What companies like HLF do is add fructose to their products so people will consume them BECAUSE fructose is much sweeter than even glucose. And Fructose is metabolized totally differently than glucose. But you don't care. Because these FACTS do NOT help you peddle your false business opportunity and THAT is ALL you really care about.

  • Reply to

    google images for herbalife shake labels

    by texexec63 May 29, 2015 2:25 PM
    hudget hudget May 29, 2015 3:05 PM Flag

    F1 has 9 grams of ADDED FRUCTOSE. Fructose is getting a VERY BAD RAP and justifiably. Excessive Fructose consumption is currently being promoted as a leading cause of leptin resistance, insulin resistance and ultimately Diabetes. Not to mention being a major contributing factor regarding the obesity epidemic. Sure fruit has fructose in it but it also comes with the requisite enzymes and fiber provided by nature. And people since the dawn of time have NOT consumed massive quantities of FREE FRUCTOSE year round. You need to get up to speed on your research if you are going to come across as anything but a peddler of false business opportunities. LOL some nutritional counseling you perform. Too funny and just one more reason to avoid snake oil salesmen posing as wise counselors.

  • hudget hudget May 29, 2015 2:13 PM Flag

    How does all that FRUCTOSE SUGAR help with the nutritional needs of people? LOL AND I rebutted your allegations regarding the cost of f1. Comparing your costs mostly to a bunch of other high priced MLM garbage products proves nothing. I also posted detailed analysis of the costs and product features of F1 so no need to repeat.

  • hudget hudget May 29, 2015 2:07 PM Flag

    flutie says " I welcome anyone with an opposing view and only reply in kind when they attack me. " LOL Certainly you jest! I was the first to call you a pathological liar and your latest post is simply more proof of that. Too funny.

  • hudget hudget May 28, 2015 6:05 PM Flag

    " How about them 20+ shakes that are more expensive than F1?" Hard to find 20 shakes MORE expensive than F1. And the F1 Quality is exceptionally LOW also. It tastes OK, ONLY because it is loaded with SUGAR especially FRUCTOSE. EXCEPTIONALLY over priced commodity soy GMO protein loaded with sugar. Some health drink. Of course they have to KEEP the profit margins up to pay the UPLINE about 70% of every dollar received, right GORDO. LOL

  • hudget hudget May 27, 2015 4:09 PM Flag

    Interesting that although the settlement was for up to 15 million for business opportunity claims only about 7.4 million was claimed by those who said they lost money on the business opportunity with HLF. the largest was for around $95,000. It does remain somewhat perplexing that most of the people who do not make it in HLF and similar MLM's do NOT file complaints. I chalk this up to people involved in the scheme are BOTH victim and perpetrator after joining the scheme and talking family and friends into it. And most do not lose large amounts of money maybe a thousand or two each on average. But since HLF recruits about 2 million each year if each person spends a thousand or two on average pursuing the false opportunity that amounts to 2 billion-4 billion each year. HLF revenues I think are something like 4.8 billion so the new suckers PURSING AN UNOBTAINABLE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY are fueling a lot of the revenues in product purchases, S&H, and membership fees.

  • hudget by hudget May 27, 2015 3:18 PM Flag

    The FTC and other regulators have not called this marketing scheme OUTRIGHT ILLEGAL does not make it RIGHT. It is still a predatory marketing scheme that preys upon the poor, ignorant and desperate and also the greedy, gullible and slick talkers of this world. Of course, the longs, insiders and top distributors could not care less who loses from this scheme as long as the share price moves up, or their compensation stays high. Sick.

  • in a potent manner. But it is losing its mojo regardless. Harder and harder to recruit new suckers into the bottom of the pyramid as evidenced by most recent distributor recruiting numbers. Most companies have a product and use their marketing system to sell the product. This and similar MLM's have a marketing scheme and they use the PRODUCT to help sell and legitimize the marketing scheme. BUT make NO MISTAKE what is being sold here is the MARKETING SCHEME. Commodity generic protein powder Product is SOLD primarily because duped distributors PURCHASE a lot of it pursuing the fraudulent business opportunity.

  • hudget hudget May 20, 2015 9:51 AM Flag

    You are probably right. There are at least 20 meal replacement shakes higher priced than F1. Which means there are about 5000 less expensive. Not to mention higher quality with no added sugar and no GMO. So, we can take price and quality off the table for reasons to buy F1. Which leaves us with the real reason people BUY this stuff. PURSUING AN UNOBTAINABLE and FRAUDULENT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.

  • the PYRAMID MUST grow. The ONLY way to grow the PYRAMID is to grow the base of the pyramid. Currently the base amounts to 2 million new recruits a year around the world. Can HLF expand that base to 3 million new recruits per year? 4 million? 5 million? Apparently NOT as the base of the pyramid (new recruits) is DOWN big time yoy. That is without FTC action. Once the FTC acts then more bad news will be on its way for the base of this pyramid.

  • can and do make money retailing these products? YES
    Can they PROVE or back up these CLAIMS NO
    Do these claims lure in NEW DISTRIBUTORS YES
    Is this in effect LYING? Looks that way to me.
    SHUT DOWN this unsubstantiated and misleading practice FTC. That would be a good first start.

  • why the recruiting results are so bad lately? They refuse to look into this FACT and try to rationalize it in any way. They apparently SIMPLY ignore the FACT that recruits are getting harder and harder to attract aka CON. HLF CLAIMS these NEW RECRUITS are simply discount buyers (over 70%)of the product. But why would the ability to attract discount Buyers be falling off the cliff in NORTH AMERICA? Please try to put a good spin or explanation of this!! My explanation is The CON is losing its MOJO which obvisouly is the BEGINNING of the END. Once the base of the pyramid CRUMBLES the rest will follow quickly. MAKE no mistake the base of this PYRAMID requires 2 million + NEW recruits annually and they are FALLING SHORT. And when the FTC steps in and announces required CHANGES then the decline will accelerate dramatically.

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