they sell "sugar" drinks instead of "protein" drinks because some of their cheap product has as many grams of sugar as protein. LOL unbelievable they call themselves a nutrition company. Purveyors of false business opportunities selling sugary protein mixes as their guise, is in reality what they are.
Wrong again fruitcake, It MEANS a lot. It is very statistically accurate and SHOWS without a doubt what common sense also points to. Namely that distirbutors are NOT signing up for a discount that costs many times what they can buy cheap protein powder for elsewhere. It shows that over 80% are lured in with income opportunity and when you tie that information to their own required distributor financial disclosures it shows this is a FRAUD. That is how they sell so much OVER PRICED cheap protein powder and everyone is catching on. That is the reason the share price has fallen from 83 in spite of massive support from Icahn and Stiritz and ill fated convert by management trying to squeeze ackman unsuccessfully.
You have been warned. Your current losses, make believe losses anyway, are the result of investing in a pyramid scheme that preys on the ignorant and gullible. It is one of the most successful schemes of this nature in the history of the world. Its time is coming to an end. Bank on it.
is it because they have thousands and thousands of Retail customers? NO absolutely NOT
Is it because they have built a recruiting MACHINE below them that brings in thousands of new recruits each year? Absolutely, they churn and burn thousands in their organization and MAKE money off each order the recruits place pursing the false business opportunity. Simple until the FTC puts a stop to it.
Oh I forgot to mention the 1% that make money at HLF do so ONLY ON THE BACKS of thousands of failed distributors that are conned into the scheme. For everyone at the top THOUSANDS must fail and lose money below them as part of their down line. Nice system for the 1% at the TOP and for Johnson and his fellow execs. BAD deal for everyone else. Also bad for stockholers which is good because longs experiencing the losses have been given full warning what this company does and IS.
that showed 83% of distributors sign up for MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY not discounted personal purchases? Is it because that makes them LOOK BAD when 99% FAIL at making money? And the FTC does NOT like lying and telling new recruits they can sell at retail when it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE? The game is getting close to being over for this FRAUD. Be a great day for this country and the world when it is SHUTTERED.
indicated 83% of distributors sign up for the business opportunity. Then they LIE and try to claim that over 70% simply want the "discount" LOL some discount still 7 times higher than competition. It simply made no sense and now that their internal documents have been exposed HLF say " we used 46 sample size and got the results we expected" So if you EXPECTED over 80% sign up for the business op then why tell the world that over 70% sign up for the so called over priced DISCOUNT? They are NOT even good at LYING.
I agree, the kid did really good work. Very thorough and well researched. The reason the longs (especially those that hang around this thread) don't get it is it had math in it and then logic was applied. They prefer personal insults and riding on the big boys coattails. Anything that requires more research than that is way over their head.
Bad business results. Pyramid scheme awareness. Big holders need to get out. FTC and other regulators possible adverse rulings. Huge debt and shredded balance sheet. Put your THINKING CAPS on people!
Icahn massive buying. Stiritz massive buying. HLF massive repurchase. Ackman partial covering. Other hedgies piling on long side. Then what happened? Down down down down down. Why. Icahn still holding. Stiritz still holding. HLF still holding. Ackman has not entered in more major shorts. Hmmm, mr. market DOES NOT like this equity in spite of all those major buyers and holders and threats of MOASS and LBO's. Put your THINKING CAPS on people.
since the fall of 2010 is underwater. the only exceptions are those few who bought during the very small 4 or 5 day trading window of late December 2012. This is in spite of massive buying by major players like Icahn, Striritz who apparently are still holding; not to mention the massive buying by HLF itself at much higher prices. One would think with all that buying the price would be up but it is clinging to the lows indicating a severely broken company. mr market continues to teach very harsh lessons.
Yes, think about how many shares the brain trust at the top could have bought back at today's prices. Their balance sheet would have been much better but it was NOT ABOUT buying back undervalued shares. It WAS all about trying to squeeze Ackman. And that failed miserably. Icahn MUST have been a party to that thinking. If Icahn was thinking clearly he would have included himself in the buyback and had a nice exit strategy for most of his shares, but instead he is stuck with five board members and diminishing prospects every day.
who buy the bulk of the over priced commodities because of the deceptive business opportunity, then what will HLF have left to fall back upon? Cheap commodity products that are no where near competitive with traditional value proposition centered on product quality, customer service, relationships and price? Terrible MLM reputation? Unattractive Recruiting centers with green screens over all the windows? Exit of top distributors no longer able to profit off the backs and losses of the lower rung pyramid guys? maybe China will even to start to enforce their own anti pyramid laws? Ackman turned on the flashlight and it looks like the cockroaches are running for cover.
and yet HLF shareholders have already lost over 21% of their value. And NO dividend to fall back on. Balance sheet was blown out on the fiasco of a stock buy back last year. Debt is huge. Recruiting getting harder and harder. FX problems everywhere. The cat is out of the bag regarding cheap product and high prices. How much pain can shareholders take before they break? I was thinking earlier this month it was Stiritz selling but apparently he is still holding. Longs have that selling to look forward to also I suppose. And if Icahn unloads well can you say "single digit midget?" as there would be NO FLOOR in that event.
all the time. See, first he thinks about doing something.......... then he trades accordingly. That is certainly inside trading because he thought about what he was going to do before he did it knowing full well what he was going to do the whole time. Now he needs to stop thinking and just "act without thought" like HLF longs do............... and then he will no longer be trading on inside info and be legal once again.
Ackman is bad and terrible person and dishonest and crooked and lies all the time. If you say anything bad about HLF or you ever said anything negative you are a LIAR and HYPOCRITE. Squeeze will come, just wait! Icahn will buy more shares. Stiritz will buy more shares. Buyout being planned for $250 per share shortly. HLF management will Sue ackman. SEC is investigating all the manipulation in this stock. Put action is suspect. FTC will come out with very favorable ruling and HLF shorts are toast. Go HLF