is what this propaganda machine is all about. What use to be "distributors" are now "members" What use to be a huge income opportunity is now just discount buying for what amounts to still double the price of anyone else. So why do all these discount buyers flock to rah rah sessions to learn how to get rich in the pyramid if they are just discount buyers? Every lie they tell creates more problems for them. Keep paying top dollar to get phd's to endorse and promote the over priced undifferentiated commodity products. This remains a money transfer scheme selling over priced commodity product TO its distributors no matter what they call them.
on average. do recruiting distributors tell new prospective distributors how many customers they will need to find and keep to make even $7.25 per hour after covering even a minimal overhead? Probably NOT. They are too busy telling them how they will get rich by recruiting others who also will have no idea what it takes to make it as a true direct salesperson. I have done the math and it would take an excellent sales person full time to make minimum wage with this pyramid scheme. It does not work. it can not work. It is a recruiting scam pure and simple. If you cant recruit you are dead meat. Oh, but now they are no longer "distributors" just "members" paying to sign up and signing a long distributors agreement to get a discount they can easily get without signing up! that makes no sense either.
profit margins trying to really sell this stuff as a "direct seller". How many cans of F1 does one have to sell to make it as a salesperson making even minimum wage? What is the average overhead for a distributor? What is the real ROE for even a minimal purchase of a "membership/distributorship"? Why did HLF change the name of its "direct sellers" to Members only after Ackman pointed out their deception? Why would a new customer who only wants the 25% discount (80% of the members now according to the liars at HQ) distributor/member sign up pay the $59 fee, sign lengthy agreement to get a discount of 25% when it is READILY available from almost any current distributor (not even mentioning the internet) for the same discounted price without going through the cost and hassle?
push the new customers to become a distributor/member when the new customer does not want to sell they only want the discount? Almost 80% of current members are becoming distributors for this reason. Hint: the current distributor would make the same profit for himself/herself by selling for 25% off without forcing the new customer to sign the agreement and pay the franchise fee. SCAM
our customer base, or is it that our customer base is really our sales force. It really depends on who is asking the question and for what reason. When talking to prospective distributors/members the main pitch is getting rich by recruiting others but when talking to regulators or the public at large it is just one big membership club enjoying the discounts of being members. LOL
if you are making money you are a distributor. that is the 1%. If you are losing money you are a member. That is the 99%. Gee, i guess it really is pretty simple.
None of their distributors directly sell! Nobody actually even tries to sell the stuff at retail. Mainly because it is impossible. A distributor either makes it by recruiting more fools in below him or quits. After they QUIT they are known as "discount buyers". Nice wordsmithing from the company that is the KING OF SPIN.
a couple years ago HLF claimed it sold its products THROUGH an independent distribution channel. Then they had to change the story to we sell our products TO and THROUGH an independent distribution channel. Now they would have us believe the independent distribution channel is really just 80% discount buyers and not distributors at all. All of this to keep them in business and to fool regulators. It ain't working. What other multi billion dollar company needs to change its story so often to stay in business and keep the regulators from closing it down?
no they are not even trying to make money with the current story from hlf management. They simply like to pay the franchise fee, sign the lengthy distribution agreement, attend rah rah pump sessions at their own expense, all to get a discount on product that is readily available without doing any of those things. too funny.
Most longs have no clue as to what makes this company tick. NO idea what the basic value proposition is or why the company is growing. Is it the great product? NO WAY. Is it the great value pricing? NO WAY. Is it the great service? NO WAY. Is it the great Brand? NO WAY. All of these potential value propositions can be blown away in a milisecond with sound reasoning and facts. So, then. What is driving the growth in revenues and profits if all these traditiional value propositions are off the table? hmmm, might it be a fraudulent business opportunity conning millions of new distributors into joining and buying product each year? BINGO. BULLSEYE. The only explanation is their pay plan which falsely entices in millions of new suckers each year. This is NOT complicated. People are not buying the product or the service they are buying the pay plan under false hope of getting a decent return. RESIDUAL INCOME FOR LIFE. LOL
The real problem is that HLF can not even explain the difference between a salesperson and a customer. They call distributors either, or both, depending on what picture they want to paint. Masters at spin. When signing up distributors it is primarily with the get rich easy and forever angle, then when questioned by regulators they claim " oh they are not even trying to sell, just get cheap product" LOL cheap product at twice the price they could get it easily anywhere else. But the service is so great it is worth it supposedly. What service? Being pestered to buy more product or get more recruits? Nutritional advice from people that are obviously overweight and know nothing about nutrition? Business advice from people that are nearly broke and know nothing about business? And they tell these lies with a straight face.
Yes he is. He has deluded himself so that makes it easier for him to justify and to defraud others with a relatively clean conscience. Self delusion is typical of con men.
The michigan site does not say that amway and mary kay are "legitimate" mlm's. It says they are 'well known" mlm's. when accusing others of misrepresentation it might be helpful if you represented your facts accurately.
In addition, the michigan site says "When investigating a multi-level marketing opportunity, you should ask about market saturation and determine the saturation levels in your area of distribution. Legitimate companies do not have too many distributors in one area."
Now tell me. What controls does HLF have on the market saturation question? Yes, the correct answer is NONE.
Another baseless claim. You have Zero proof that Ackman has anything to do with these articles. More SHINFO
Also the Michigan site says "Commissions should only be paid on the sale of goods or services to non-participant end-user consumers." The facts regarding HLF are. They ONLY PAY a distributor money AFTER THAT DISTRIBUTOR recruits someone and that someone BUYS product. NOtice the requirements 1. RECRUITING and 2 RECRUIT BUYS. NOthing about non participants buying. So HLF in effect pays ONLY FOR RECRUITING. FACT: If you are a distributor and you do not recruit HLF pays you NOTHING.