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icemandios 398 posts  |  Last Activity: 13 hours ago Member since: Apr 8, 2008
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  • Reply to

    17 is the new 16

    by miamianne67 Jul 23, 2015 11:19 AM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 23, 2015 10:35 PM Flag

    No, and so much for my fabled memory. Searching is better.
    It was one called bjoel5150 who dug up the prices at the time of the various forward splits.

    So, from 23+ to 33+, splits are possible. 10K becomes 15K.
    15K becomes 18.75K. 18.75K becomes 23.4375K. It could happen. And all without ever going over $3X.00 a share. And that will surely happen.

  • Reply to

    $1.60 to $17.22

    by drangles2000 Jul 23, 2015 6:33 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 23, 2015 10:16 PM Flag

    "The shorts are terribly done. They got run over by opko share price. Time to sell all their houses and asse()s."

    There, I fixed it for you.

  • Reply to

    17 is the new 16

    by miamianne67 Jul 23, 2015 11:19 AM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 23, 2015 8:05 PM Flag

    Thing about risk is, if there isn't any, there's no reward. The greater the risk, the greater the reward and vice versa. But where you see risk, I see not so much. Of course, if flaming boulders fall from the sky, and giant fissures render the Earth into fragments, and the East and West Coasts crumble into the seas, all bets are off. :-)

    Oh, but then you are much older than I. I was born near the end of WW2. :-)

  • Reply to

    17 is the new 16

    by miamianne67 Jul 23, 2015 11:19 AM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 23, 2015 7:57 PM Flag

    And everybody forgets, or doesn't know, the history of IVAX. There were 3 forward splits. If one has the bells to hold on, not try to time the market on this gem, what one has will probably grow. Let Dr. Frost do the heavy lifting. And to my chagrin, I can't remember just now the poster who provided this information. Maybe latter on tonight, it will come to me. He is an infrequent poster, but a poster of pertinent information only:

    Announce Date Payable Date Ex Date Ratio Optionable
    01/14/2000 02/22/2000 02/23/2000 3-2 29 1/6 price at announcement
    04/23/2001 05/18/2001 05/21/2001 5-4 price at announcement= $33.31
    07/15/2004 08/24/2004 08/25/2004 5-4 $23.16 price at announcement

    So, you see, if history repeats........or rhymes.......projections of future stock prices are unadjusted for splits.

    And, since you can trust me, there was this online interview with Frost where the subject of how much he sold Ivax to Teva for was said to be 7.5B. And Frost replied that it was closer to 10 billion b/c the price had gone up by the time the deal closed.

    Those that are still arbing the OPK/BRLI deal might want to take that into consideration.

    Hmmm. I think the provider of the above price-at-time of split info was Opko-something. Pretty sure about the Opko part, still can't remember the "something" part. Opko-Long? Maybe.

  • Reply to

    The reverse split

    by miamianne67 Jul 20, 2015 1:21 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 22, 2015 7:36 PM Flag

    The R/S if it is done will be to qualify for listing on the NAZ. Which is why the Club has taken it down now and then to under a buck. Of course, the Club has had "assistance" from the lousy market. Of course, the Club is the entity creating the lousy market.

    If they do a R/S, I hope they will honor the preference indicated by the votes, AND have the good sense not to do an R/S during a lousy market.

  • Reply to

    Todays SEC filing

    by buyoutmoney175 Jul 21, 2015 9:39 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 21, 2015 10:30 PM Flag

    Oh, wow. Seems like Yahoo robo-censor doesn't like the word mo nik er. Had no idea that was offensive. Perhaps I should have said "choice of ID."

    Well, maybe they were thinking of the lady with the Bill stained dress with the last name Lowinsky. Ha haaa haaaa.

  • Reply to

    Todays SEC filing

    by buyoutmoney175 Jul 21, 2015 9:39 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 21, 2015 10:15 PM Flag

    There was this old saying: "You have two ears and one mouth, and that is how they were intended to be used."
    Bringing that forward, "Before you post something, look and read the prior posts."

    Of course, your choice of #$%$ pretty much says everything anybody needs to know.

  • Reply to

    New SEC filing today

    by saicinthemoney Jul 21, 2015 1:58 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 21, 2015 8:25 PM Flag

    Somebody who says "no transparency" has an agenda. They probably also voted for Obozo twice. It would be good to at least keep them at arms length, if not outright banish them the the ignore bin. If you sow the seeds of FUD, you are part of the problem. If you listen to those seeds of FUD, you become part of the problem.
    The most elegant way to deal with those who would sow the seeds of FUD is to consign them to your ignore bin. You can't prevent others from falling for the FUD, and you can't control others from selling or induce them to buying. You can only control the amount of nonsense. And that is not a small thing when things get looking a bit dicey. There should only be one voice you listen to, and it should be that little voice that only you can hear. That one is your innate protector.

  • Reply to

    New SEC filing today

    by saicinthemoney Jul 21, 2015 1:58 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 21, 2015 3:36 PM Flag

    And none of those pertain. It has to do with the Novartis agreements. The CT order tells you where to find the documents containing the confidential items.

  • Reply to

    Only a 1.5% discount.

    by hellbent_is_back Jul 20, 2015 4:28 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 21, 2015 9:15 AM Flag

    bernoulisfriend is a guy who can brighten any leaving it. :-)

  • Reply to

    Days like today

    by bush241 Jul 20, 2015 2:58 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 20, 2015 8:49 PM Flag

    The market was great? NAZ ended up 0.17%, Dow up 0.08%, S&P the same. Meanwhile IBB hit a new 52-wk high and closed up 0.11%, XBI hit a new 52-wk high and closed down 0,05%. IWM closed down 0.54%, and the NYSE had 228 new 52-wk lows. 40 is where you start paying attention. The NASD advance/decline closed at minus 1024 after reaching minus 1166 at 13:46. The NYSE advance/decline closed down minus 1441 after reaching minus 1157 at 13:46.

    No the market was not "great," and the internals were far from great. But whatever, next month this deal will be done and then it will back to business.

  • Reply to

    Thomas Beier, Director did some stuff

    by icemandios Jul 20, 2015 7:30 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 20, 2015 7:52 PM Flag

    Those 30,277 shares were all that he owned individually back on 11/14/14, so he now owns 20K (due to the options exercise) directly. Total owned 150,227 shares. The exercise price of that 20K shares was $1.78. That cost him $35,600 which he paid out of pocket rather than surrender shares to pay the ticket.

  • He moved (gifted) 30,277 shares into a trust for himself and his wife. He exercised 20K options that were due to expire at the end of this month. The trust now owns 130,227 shares. He did this on 7/17/15.

    I'm not sure what that does to my theory re stand still, but it doesn't exactly support it.

  • Reply to

    Only a 1.5% discount.

    by hellbent_is_back Jul 20, 2015 4:28 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 20, 2015 7:20 PM Flag

    Yep, 1.41% and that's gross. I don't know what the net might be, but it's under 1% maybe closer to zip. And that's before taxes! Maybe minus.

    Well, the show is over. The BS will continue, and the market internals are in the toilet. It's not all about OPK/BRLI. There are roaches in the kitchen.

  • icemandios by icemandios Jul 20, 2015 9:55 AM Flag

    SEC made the S-4 effective late Friday. The proxy has been filed in its final form. The vote is 8/20/15. When OPK acquired PBTH, the vote was on a Thursday, and the merger completed the next day. 8/20/15 is a Thursday.

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    by dtanger Jul 19, 2015 3:32 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 20, 2015 9:38 AM Flag

    The ophthalmic endeavors by OPK are no longer by OPK. The bevasiranib trial was terminated due to futility. All IP re RNAi was transferred to RXII. "Mar 7, 2013 - According to the terms of an asset purchase agreement jointly executed by the parties, RXi will acquire substantially all of OPKO's RNAi-related ..."

    The optical instrument business was sold. "Sep 22, 2011 - MIAMI --(BUSINESS WIRE)-- OPKO Health, Inc. (NYSE: OPK) has agreed to sell its ophthalmic instrumentation business to OPTOS, Inc."

    The status of Aquashunt is uncertain, but it has not been discussed in any company presentations in a very long time.

  • The only thing remaining is the share holder vote on 8/20. Merger can be completed on Friday, 8/21/15 just like they did it with PBTH.

  • Reply to

    Columbine Capital Downgrades OPK

    by spockthedr Jul 19, 2015 5:28 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 19, 2015 6:59 PM Flag

    Very interesting........but shtupid. Who is Colombine (other than the scene of some drug addled teens shooting up the place)? Bucket shops can employ ANALysts,too. And those that parrot what fringe players say without consideration of who and why are either in sway of those entities, or they are people who will be lunch for the bunch.

    In the span of 7 days, what has fundamentally changed with OPK? What prospective sources of income have fallen out? What history do we know about Colombine?

    Several of the bashers here (whether it be several, or two, or just one) have been "downgrading" OPK since it was trading at 4.50. I think that speaks for itself.

  • Reply to

    Do you know where your securities are?

    by derek22_us Jul 17, 2015 12:27 PM
    icemandios icemandios Jul 18, 2015 9:09 PM Flag

    Seems your claim that you own 66K shares causes Derek (of Derek and the Dumbinos) to call you a liar. Well, suppose everybody who posts here owns 66K. What would that total? 1, 2,3 million shares? But Derek, using his math skills, projects that to be the source of 33M shares. He must work for the FED.

    And there's, by comparison, a minor flaw in his premise. If one has a margin account wherein ZIOP shares reside, and one paid cash for ZIOP shares but used margin to by XYZ, and there is an outstanding balance to be repaid, then ALL shares in the account, ZIOP and otherwise are subject to being loaned to shorts.

    So, Derek, your work is cut out for you. Quit dogging it here, and get out there on the YMB's and yell at everybody for using margin. Impress them with your insights, much as you have impressed those here.

  • icemandios icemandios Jul 17, 2015 9:55 PM Flag

    "but i like your quote and will keep it in mind as they are smarter than me."
    No, they are NOT smarter than you. It seems you missed my point when I said that the global economists are all Keynesian. Oh come on, have you looked around? On a micro level, Keynes was saying he'd take profits from the middle of a move. His number was 60%. How the world got swept up in his macro economic claptrap is anybody's guess. The one thing does not necessarily translate to the other.

    Now, you tend to be defensive. Why? If you do what you say you do, do you require recognition to make it real? I was just kidding you about being greedy, wanting 80% vs 60%. Once again, lighten up. Didn't you say I was funny? Well, based on your funny-not funny reactions, I know now not to take my act on the circuit. Thanks for that, but I really didn't want to leave home anyway.

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