Do you know anybody who has an Intel based smartphone? How about an Asus smartphone? Chances are you will by the end of the year. The Zenphone two comes with an Intel Atom and at least 2 GB of ram. One of the models has 4GB of RAM. Quadcore, 5.5" inch HD display with 30 megapixel camera. It starts off around $200. Currently there are million people who have pre-ordered this phone in China. Asus is expecting to sell 30 million units this year. Not bad for a company that currently isn't in the top 5 of smartphone makers.
This is just one phone model. Intel can very easily pick up 25% marketshare with no name manufacturers within a year or two. The other part of the story is that this low end phone will put pressure on the high end phones to justify their pricing. Like I said all along, when the white box manufactures in China start private labeling phones for the carriers using Intel processors and Intel marketing dollars it's going to change the game very quickly.
I bought the Zenfone 2 the first day it went on sale in the US on Tuesday. I've had it for a few days now and I am impressed. It of course is Intel powered Atom Z3560 Quadcore running at 1.8Ghz. Since I am an Intel Fanboy I will give the negatives first because you'd the positives. It's GSM which means if you're on Verizon or Sprint you're out of luck. The display is lower resolution than the higher end phones. The volume buttons are on the back right under the camera lens. The battery isn't removable, it charges best with the supplied charger and there is tons of bloatware.
The upsides dwarf the downsides. It has comparable specs for less money than a used Galaxy S5 It's similar in size to the iPhone 6 Plus or the Note 4 ( Zenfone 2 is a tad bit smaller). I have the $199 base model and it just screams. Fast and responsive. It doesn't seem to struggle on any apps nor lag. Some of the bloatware is actually useful The Asus PC Connect allows you to view and control your phone from your computer. The battery lasts a remarkably long time. I've gotten two days on standby between charges.
Some people live off their phone. Perhaps spending 3 times more makes sense to them. I really don't but when I need my phone I want it to work flawlessly It does this and more I think this phone can have dramatic mass market appeal because it's feature packed and unlocked at a price range of what you'd find decent two year old used technology.
If you've ever had concerns about Intel in a phone, especially not being able to run all the Android apps, it's no concern. Can an X86 phone be light, large and powerful enough to last all day while still pushing out performance? Yes. Can Intel be price competitive? Yes. Does ARM have something to worry about? Yes. Maybe not at the very high end, but for the 'bang for the buck' market the Zenfone 2 is a wakeup call.
Verizon is CDMA, the Zenfone 2 is GSM only. This means that if you go that route you're stuck with either AT&T or T-Mobile in the United States. I have been using the Zenfone 2 with T-Mobile for the past few weeks that it has been available. There are a few ARM phones that can a week without a recharge with scarce use. If this is super important to you, then stick with ARM. For most of the planet we can at least charge our phones once a day, the Zenfone will be more than fine. It can go days without a charge but with steady use you'll need to charge once a day.
The thing I can tell you most about the Zenfone 5 is something I discovered with my Memo 7 (also Intel). It was running Kitkat. The experience wasn't the best. I found an upgrade to Lollipop on Asus's website. When I got it up and running it was like a different tablet. Lollipop is a 64 bit OS version of Android. You can very much see the difference. It also found my Zenphone backups and restored the Zenphone experience onto my tablet. This means that more or less you can drop your phone in the pool, but a new one, sign in, wait a few hours and get nearly all your phone back exactly the way you left it. Very impressive!
Is it worth leaving Verizon for the Zenphone? Yes!
I believe where they are going with this is to go after the Smart TV market. I am finding that Smart TVS have around a $50 price premium. The problem with a SmartTV is that the processor lasts as long as the TV. That means that 20 years from now your TV set will have a very outdated, very weak computer.
The advantage to the Windows version is that it can run Windows Media Center. This means that you can use an Silicone Dust HD Homerun with a cable card and do without your cable box while getting all the channels you pay for. An HD cable box is around $10 a month so, this pays for itself in about a year. It will also work with Homegroup so that you can easily see pictures from other computers on the network. The downside is that Windows has a ton of DRM on it so a lot of the torrents are off limits. The 32GB is enough room to blast an evening of HD TV and movies without streaming.
The Linux version is cheaper and there are a ton of torrents you can use. Aside from the pirated movies there is a universe of interesting programing that can be found on the torrents. Special interest programing and things like video podcasts. The Linux version has no DRM slowing you down. Its also less susceptible to getting hacked. The USB out means that you can hook up keyboards, a mouse, and external hard drives. The quadcore Atom is a very capable little processor. Either version provides a lot of value for not a lot of money.
This was supposed to be a board about Intel. Instead one man has dueling personalities and flames himself while trying to throw everybody off track that he's flaming others. Post like this do nothing especially when the post and counter post are from the same handle.
Please, enough already. You're not the star of the show, Intel is. Time to give up on this #$%$.
I read another article that explained the Galaxy S6’s Exynos 7420. After a lot of praise the benchmarks showed marginal performance increases over the 5433 even though it was a so called 14nm true 64bit cpu versus the 5433's 8 32 bit cores. The real performance improvement came from the GPU. ARM is touting the Cortex A72, but has been very vague about real world benchmarks. It does state in it's graphics that A57 is 20nm and the A72 is 16nm finfet which should be out in 2016. And yet Samsung is claiming 14nm on their A57 (Exynos 7420). A document Nvidia provided a couple of years ago showed that 16nm will come at a price twice as great as 28nm. So, once again, how much more will it cost and what will you get for the money?
"The Cortex-A57 simply won’t end up in a lot of devices, as it only makes sense on 20nm and 14/16nm FinFET nodes, so chipmakers will have only one choice – churn out more Cortex-A53 parts at higher clocks, with faster GPUs and better LTE support. Unlike last year, they don’t have the option of using four cores (A15, A17, A9 and A7), as they can only use A57 and A53 cores, but the A57 simply doesn’t work for most market segments. The Cortex-A17 looks like a very tempting alternative and MediaTek already tapped it for some parts, but this is a 32-bit core, positioned below the Cortex-A15 and Cortex-A57. While the A17 is a good performer with a good price/performance ratio, consumers demand 64-bit chips, plain and simple."
The problem is that unless you're talking about an iPhone or perhaps a high end Samsung device like a Galaxy or Note consumers aren't going to pay premium prices for marginal improvements in phones. The Zenfone 2 is showing that consumers are willing to embrace non-players if they can get an outstanding price/performance phone.
I'm still waiting for whacky-Ed's prediction of the fortune 500 switching from PC's to ARM based Apple PCs to come true. It's a good thing I don't trust them for any relevant information.
In June of this year it' will be ten years since Apple made the announcement to move toward Intel on their computer side. Before this there were Motorola and IBM RISC processors. I clearly remember an Apple fan explaining to me that the RISC processors were twice as good as Intel's CISC processors which is why they were equivalent at half the speed. The reality was that twice as fast was an exaggeration, perhaps 15 percent was more like it.
In the past ten years look at how many times Intel has improved the line from the initial Core-2-Duo processors. It's kept Apple interested in Intel. Apple has touted the Haswell processors in their MacBook Pro. Apple has developed technologies like Thunderbolt with Intel. Apple and Intel have been partners.
For years now we've seen speculation that Apple was going with Intel. Some have suggested it would happen by the iPhone 6. The question now is looking less about "if" and more about "when." The problem is that once Apple goes with Intel on the iPhone line Intel will most likely keep the business locked up very long term .
As far as a Pentium processor is concerned, I don't know You would think that Apple would insist on a home brewed RISC processor from Intel. But we may be getting into a world where smartphone momentum forward is based more on the GPU than the CPU. We're used to thinking that CPU is all that matters when in the entire SIP or SoC is what is taken into account.
I've read some interesting articles online suggesting Intel buy certain companies for market share. And get what? The Altera deal had value to it because Intel was buying something more than marketshare. Intel had to get the deal done. TSMC is going to feel the loss of Altera. It's going to make getting to the next node that much harder. As customers start to come to Intel because they have the leading edge technology that TSMC is only talking about the market share will come along for the ride.
It was more than blocking TSMC's advances in nodes, TSMC has some business relationships and intellectual property Intel wanted. This wasn't a short term deal for fast business. This was a deal that will help Intel in data centers. People are excited about phones and tablets because it's what they can see. All the cool things they assume their phone can do is happening in the backend in data centers. That's where the big money is at.
I don't know about McDonald's but I can share some thoughts about Intel. There was a time about 15 years ago when Executives were in the room of Rochester NY of Kodak. Someone just got done sharing the facts of the upcoming digital photography trend. It basically said that film will become close to obsolete in a decade or two. Everybody thought that Kodak did nothing. But they actually hold many, many digital camera patents. The problem was that they had a business model that was based on consumables.
Intel woke up one day around 2008 and saw that the days of the traditional PC were coming to a close. People still bought them, and still used them, and will continue to do so. But the point is that the PC isn't our only mode of computing. Instead of seeing doom and gloom they saw dollar signs like they have never seen before. The cellphones and tablets all needed processors, but behind them they needed a ton of servers. There was more potential for Intel, long term.
What we have right now, in the short term is heavy investments into CAPEX while Intel ratchets up into the next era. There are some down times right now. Most of us have seen the downs and the ups. We believe the future has way more ups than downs. You may want to buy Intel again and hold onto it long term.
A couple of days ago I shared the address of Intel's corporate quality. I composed a very nice letter to the office letting them know that someone has decided to use this Intel chat board to promote hate speech. We've been subjected to homophobic rants, anti-Semitic slurs, and Hispanophobic characterizations of Latinos as ignorant, illiterate and evil.
This is the handy work of one person with upwards of 100 different aliases, and an IP spoofing program. His only course of action is his main course of action, directed hostility proclaiming innocence that absolutely nobody believes.. This time I am not engaging him in the gutter, yet had more than enough.
Last week a special needs kid in our community was bullied enough in person and online that he committed suicide. He was only 16. Our community of course is in shock and grief. Lots of posts by parents saddened saying that online bullying is wrong. And then I log onto here find THE EXACT SAME THING,
What I know for certain is that more people read these posts than participate. I've already written to the following address.
Attn: Corporate Quality
2200 Mission College Blvd.
Santa Clara, CA 95054-1549
I have made them aware of the problem. This board needs moderation or to be taken down. I ended my letter by saying that I believe in freedom of speech but I do not believe in hate speech. Please take a moment to draft up a brief letter if you have been offended or bullied on this board. And watch the comments below because only a person who is concerned about the ramifications would want you to not write in.
The guilty party will continue to try to discredit me, or assign his hateful aliases to me. I will not engage him. Knowing that he hasn't been careful enough to keep his aliases straight he's signed in at least a few times with his real IP address on his various Yahoo accounts. Please help me take a stand against online bullying.and hate speech.
Wallis Weaver is commiting invesotor fraud against Intel. This is one of his many aliases. Please take a moment to contat Intel at:
Attn: Corporate Quality
2200 Mission College Blvd.
Santa Clara, CA 95054-1549
False Information about Intel Stock
Flaming chatroom guests
As an investor in Intel stock, demand that these abuses stop.
I've picked up and started playing with the Raspberry Pi newest version, the B+. It's a Broadcom ARM processor (Cortex A7 running at 900MhZ). For what it is, it's fabulous. Yet, if it was a cellphone nobody would buy it. You can think of it as a clunky smartphone board with PC IO ports such as HDMI and USB 2.0. One thing I like about it was what I thought was the IDE pins. There are 40 pins, but not IDE. They can hook up to a breadboard or control relays. It can hook up to an Arduino board to control motors and thousands of very cool projects. As a module that is designed for kids to get into programing and engineering it's incredible. You can also set it up to run an XMBC media center. It runs 1080P video and does a nice job. You can control it from your smartphone. It does have it's glitches however. You can get stuck at places and five minutes of video can play in a few seconds.
Now, as far as making it a PC, it leaves a lot to be desired. It has a native operating system for it called Raspbian. It's heavily watered down Linux in GUI. The main draw is it's ability to run scripting languages such as Python. For a little unit that boots into a command line driven environment that can run fairly elaborate scripts its ideal. But booting up into a GUI and surfing the web it chokes badly. The old Atom netbooks are light years ahead which leads me to believe that Windows 10 on this will be disappointing.
But, Intel is blowing it as well. The Galileo 2 runs at 4MhZ and is nearly twice as expensive. It lacks USB and audio and video outputs. The problem is that the Raspberry Pi was designed for kids but it seems that its the favorite of the tinkering engineering crowd. The IoT is very much alive and is in the phase of garage based start ups that that in the past have given us Microsoft and Apple Computers. We're on a renaissance of a new era. I just am hoping a bit more from Intel.
You get a 4K TV set and what will you do with it? How much 4K content is out there? How much will there be in 3 years? It's an interesting technology but it's probably 5 years before it hits critical mass.
I think that consumers are still in the mode that TV is something you go to in your house. The AT&T UVerse commercials were pointing out that TV can be enjoyed in places that are nowhere near an cable box. When I plugged in a current smart tv recently in my home I was surprised how much good content I could get off of wifi. But then digging deeper it was clear that it wasn't enough.
The advantage that this device has is that it's self contained and can be hidden on the back of a TV. You can pick up a 32" or 40" TV and move it around the house. Take it the backyard and put a wireless keyboard dongle on it and you've got a supersized mobile computer.
I agree the pricing is high. I would think they would sell better at $99 and $49.
If I could pick up a 32" or 40" TV with one of these units for $250 I would start placing them around the house over time. I would like to have TV sets without wires and cords in a few spots around the house. But I am still getting used to watching TV on my computer. I am still in the mindset that when I really want to watch TV I need to go somewhere comfortable.
28nm is a fabulous node. I am more skeptical about 20nm and below for ARM They should be doubling down on 28nm. 28nm offers a fabulous price/performance ratio.
This was a very fair review. It dwelled too much on the plastic case. If it's metal or plastic I don't really care, it will always be in a protective case.
The one thing I did learn from the article was that the phone can take advantage of 802.11AC. I 've actually have been blown away by how well 5Ghz works in streaming audio files in real time from the phone.
The one thing that has helped a lot is that there is a way to turn off the bloatware. I can't uninstall it, but with it out of the way the phone seems to be a much more pleasant experience.
I agree about the 1080P resolution. You really don't need much more. I'm thrilled with the display.
The artiicle mentioned that not all of the Asus installed programs are bloatware. There are a few I am quite found of. For example, nearly every setting you care about is one finger swipe away. A lot of the apps are designed to make the phone more functional and usable. One good example is the phone has a small LED that blinks green when the screen is off notifying you that you have an e-mail.
I have an Asus Memo 7 Tablet with a 22nm Intel Atom. Strangely, these two devices aren't in the same league. The Memo is barebones and lags a bit. The Zenfone feels more like a computer than a phone.
As far as sound quality of the phone, it's superb. The camera could be better, but it's not bad. It has an f2.0 lens on it which makes for better low light images. A lot of the image quality can be touched up in post.
This phone is running Android Lollipop and I can't tell that much of a difference between it and Kit Kat. As a platform Android is nice, but there is a limit to how much control you get over it. For example, I decided not to install any social media apps because I cannot tell the phone to check Facebook once every hours. I did install Google Plus and the phone did send me a message that it was eating away at the battery when not in use. Pretty cool, it was removed.
#5 Intel can do it with Android. I would love to think Microsoft tries to jump into the lead on the Internet of Things. But they may be fat, dumb and happy with their enterprise business. I think Google for consumer is the future You may also see Android with a more robust Linux backend. Yes, it's Linux right now, but it's a watered down LInux experience.
Yes Wally, and 100 other profile aliases. You're a wonderful Christian. We have gone down this road a bunch of times before. You turn up the bravado before you get scared and run an hide. So, please go back to doing what you do best, having arguments with yourself.