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investors_liberation_movement 239 posts  |  Last Activity: 1 hour 46 minutes ago Member since: Jul 6, 2010
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  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 1 hour 46 minutes ago Flag

    as a matter of prudence. Step 1 is still not too late!
    Don't commit a fraudulent conveyance. FCX suffered a loss last year and its future is uncertain.

    Leveraging commodity cyclicals has long been known to be risking a financial pitfall.
    Massive de-leveraging without asset sales at depressed prices is Step 5.
    Has anyone ever proposed a way to REVERSE dividents?

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 11 hours ago Flag

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.
    REITs generally should not pay distributions exceeding the legally required
    minimum of 90% of taxable income following the same timing principles.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 13 hours ago Flag

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.
    REITs generally should not pay distributions exceeding the legally required
    minimum of 90% of taxable income following the same timing principles.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 14 hours ago Flag

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.
    REITs generally should not pay distributions exceeding the legally required
    minimum of 90% of taxable income following the same timing principles.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 15 hours ago Flag

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.
    REITs generally should not pay distributions exceeding the legally required
    minimum of 90% of taxable income following the same timing principles.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • Reply to

    Distribution Doctrine

    by whbuncensored 15 hours ago
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement 15 hours ago Flag

    fyi: Fraudulent Conveyance is
    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 16 hours ago Flag

    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

  • Reply to

    SOLUTION

    by emperoryad Jan 5, 2015 9:00 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement 23 hours ago Flag

    Do you understand yet, David Yee? Signing a Petition isn't effective.
    Join Investors Liberation Movement! Display our colors: Green & Gold.
    Sell all mutual funds. Expose Manipulators.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 23 hours ago Flag

    a TBET-type trap for unwary individual investors.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 23 hours ago Flag

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.
    REITs generally should not pay distributions exceeding the legally required
    minimum of 90% of taxable income following the same timing principles.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 30, 2015 1:15 PM Flag

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.
    REITs generally should not pay distributions exceeding the legally required
    minimum of 90% of taxable income following the same timing principles.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 30, 2015 12:50 PM Flag

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.
    REITs generally should not pay distributions exceeding the legally required
    minimum of 90% of taxable income following the same timing principles.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 30, 2015 11:51 AM Flag

    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 30, 2015 11:48 AM Flag

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.
    REITs generally should not pay distributions exceeding the legally required
    minimum of 90% of taxable income following the same timing principles.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 30, 2015 11:42 AM Flag

    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 30, 2015 11:36 AM Flag

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.
    REITs generally should not pay distributions exceeding the legally required
    minimum of 90% of taxable income following the same timing principles.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 30, 2015 10:50 AM Flag

    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 29, 2015 11:05 PM Flag

    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 29, 2015 8:34 PM Flag

    Berkshire Hathaway 463,458,123 (8.93%) at Sep 30, 2014
    Vanguard 261,788,310 (5.05)
    State Street 208,837,853 (4.03)
    FMR 161,145,550 (3.11)
    Capital World Investors 145,008,820 (2.80)
    BlackRock Institutional Trust 127,405,736 (2.46)
    Wellington Management 125,827,398 (2.43)
    JP Morgan Chase 102,539,501 (1.98)
    Dodge & Cox 72,605,295 (1.40)
    Northern Trust 69,458,008 (1.34)

    Never buy mutual funds!

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 29, 2015 8:24 PM Flag

    Must read article in Scientific American, November 2014, pp. 67-71 by David Biello.
    The gist is that rooftop solar power is a growing trend, particularly in sunny locales,
    big enough to threaten electric utilities.
    The implication for investors is that such stocks should be SOLD!

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