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investors_liberation_movement 192 posts  |  Last Activity: 7 hours ago Member since: Jul 6, 2010
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  • Reply to

    Bad Top Holders of SPG

    by investors_liberation_movement Jan 22, 2015 10:27 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement 7 hours ago Flag

    Never buy mutual funds!

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 8 hours ago Flag

    BlackRock Fund Advisors 3,231,024 (5.65%) at Sep 30, 2014
    Principal Financial 2,634,808 (4.61)
    NJ State Common Pension Fund D 2,010,000 (3.52)
    Invesco 1,958,799 (3.43)
    Shinko Asset Management 1,875,592 (3.28)
    BlackRock Institutional Trust 1,820,504 (3.19)
    Goldman Sachs 1,771,457 (3.10)
    Northern Trust 1,612,993 (2.82)
    State Street 1,342,464 (2.35)
    Vanguard 8,125,754 (14.22)

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 8 hours ago Flag

    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 8 hours ago Flag

    be only 90% of taxable income!

    Sentiment: Sell

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 20 hours ago Flag

    Invesco 27,980,580 (7.76%) at Sep 30, 2014
    FMR 20,431,182 (5.67)
    Cbre Clarion Securities 18,323,499 (5.08)
    Cohen & Steers 15,862,183 (4.40)
    Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft 12,676,949 (3.52)
    BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. 11,339,162 (3.15)
    JP Morgan Chase & Company 10,585,496 (2.94)
    Goldman Sachs Group 9,474,664 (2.63)
    Daiwa Securities Group 9,473,370 (2.63)
    Vanguard Group 41,656,057 (11.56)

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 20 hours ago Flag

    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

    Sentiment: Strong Sell

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement 20 hours ago Flag

    more than its taxable income when just 90% is required?

  • Reply to

    Fraudulent Conveyance is

    by whbuncensored Jan 21, 2015 12:15 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Jan 26, 2015 7:57 PM Flag

    When I.L.M. rules capital markets, the legally required minimum payout
    for REITs shall become the maximum allowed by shareholders.

  • Reply to

    Under water

    by pilingon007 Jan 23, 2015 8:55 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Jan 25, 2015 2:29 PM Flag

    Divident is a deliberate misspelling to stress the dent
    to shareholders' equity caused by paying dividends.

    A foolish inconsistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
    Directors should rescind and suspend dividends
    immediately as an urgent matter of prudence.
    Waiting according to a schedule would be gross negligence.
    Adopting our Dividend Doctrine can be done later.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 24, 2015 3:22 AM Flag

    Vanguard Group 55,471,264 (5.34%) at Sep 30, 2014
    State Street Corporation 47,169,273 (4.54)
    BlackRock Group 36,612,330 (3.52)
    Franklin Resources 34,997,218 (3.37)
    FMR 33,626,720 (3.24)
    JP Morgan Chase & Company 31,255,986 (3.01)
    BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. 27,839,787 (2.68)
    Northern Trust Corporation 15,183,089 (1.46)
    Bank of New York Mellon Corporation 14,054,600 (1.35)
    BlackRock Fund Advisors 12,430,273 (1.20)

    Never buy mutual funds!

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 10:03 PM Flag

    as a matter of prudence.
    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • Reply to

    OT: "Solar Wars"

    by investors_liberation_movement Jan 22, 2015 10:43 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 9:57 PM Flag

    Thoughtful reply. See HE for more interesting news about this Topic.
    The article noted Hawaii as an especially contentious situation,
    Mentioned too was battery-in-the-basement storage enabling a
    complete disconnect from the local grid.
    Raising the meter charge was cited as a move utilities fear might
    accelerate the solar trend.
    Don't overlook businesses with large roof-areas.
    The article also has an informative U.S. map well worth perusing!

    Brokers have a joke about a "Hold" rating.
    To them it means you hold while we sell.
    If you wouldn't buy a stock at the current price, you should be selling it!
    Each day, savvy investors must embrace their portfolios anew.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 7:27 PM Flag

    Must read article in Scientific American, November 2014, pp. 67-71 by David Biello.
    The gist is that rooftop solar power is a growing trend, particularly in sunny locales,
    big enough to threaten electric utilities.
    The implication for investors is that such stocks should be SOLD!

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 6:13 PM Flag

    and suspend buybacks in this "uncertain environment"
    as a matter of prudence with over $5 billion in net debt.

    Dividend Doctrine of Investors Liberation Movement
    Dividends can and should be paid ONLY when the company has nil debt,
    its business outlook is satisfactory, it has "surplus" cash defined as money it
    can't productively use in its business, and its stock price is too high to
    appropriately repurchase (meaning without making the remaining shares
    less valuable fundamentally). Any dividend declaration in violation of these
    four conditions is ipso facto NOT in the best interest of shareholders.
    If a dividend is paid, it should be done annually to save expense, occur when
    the company's cash hoard is most abundant, and timed in a manner to
    minimize the tax consequence to shareholders.

    Dividents are now being declared by many public companies whose shares are held
    by intermediary institutions on behalf of their unsophisticated holders for completely
    illegitimate reasons that the unsophisticated holders would never approve if they were
    aware of the damaging effects. That's why the First Iron Rule for independent investors
    and the slogan of Investors Liberation Movement is "Never buy mutual funds!"
    Someday, I hope that I.L.M. can approve mutual funds operated according to
    our doctrines because I realize that many ordinary people can't spend the time
    to personally manage their investments.
    /s/ William H. Brandt, Acting Chair

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 11:00 AM Flag

    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 10:39 AM Flag

    Cohen & Steers 27,291,293 (7.53%) at Sep 30, 2014
    Morgan Stanley 16,499,969 (4.55)
    State Street Corporation 16,141,804 (4.45)
    BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. 13,939,837 (3.85)
    FMR 13,396,434 (3.70)
    Capital World Investors 13,083,671 (3.61)
    Apg Asset Management Us 11,361,377 (3.14)
    Daiwa Securities Group 10,429,381 (2.88)
    Cbre Clarion Securities 10,396,423 (2.87)
    Vanguard Group 44,948,595 (12.40)

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 10:31 AM Flag

    FMR 8,229,453 (5.38%) at Sep 30, 2014
    Invesco 7,054,221 (4.61)
    State Street Corporation 6,880,764 (4.49)
    BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. 5,943,039 (3.88)
    LaSalle Investment Management Securities 5,327,321 (3.48)
    JP Morgan Chase & Company 4,573,725 (2.99)
    Apg Asset Management Us 4,328,031 (2.83)
    BlackRock Fund Advisors 4,263,106 (2.78)
    Bank of New York Mellon Corporation 3,625,634 (2.37)
    Vanguard Group 19,661,911 (12.84)

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 9:47 AM Flag

    a transfer of property that is made to swindle, hinder, or delay a creditor,
    or to put such property beyond the creditor's reach. (legal dictionary)

    When companies systematically pay out more than they earn,
    they're also potentially harming their creditors by leaving them with less security
    for their loans in the event something goes wrong.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 9:44 AM Flag

    more than its taxable income? Shouldn't it pay out only 90%!

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Jan 23, 2015 9:38 AM Flag

    its taxable income when only 90% is required?

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