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investors_liberation_movement 50 posts  |  Last Activity: Oct 28, 2014 7:29 PM Member since: Jul 6, 2010
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    Director Compensation 2013

    by whbuncensored Sep 22, 2014 9:41 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 28, 2014 7:29 PM Flag

    How many of these "stewards" of an "enduring legacy" have ever actually touched a living cow?
    How in the world did such city slickers get entrenched for so long and turn TRC into a dude ranch!
    Shouldn't regulators intervene for the public good, or will they continue snoozing and
    schmoozing with scoundrels while intentionally ignoring their official duties.

  • Reply to

    Sub $25 by end of Q-4

    by clone14me Jul 27, 2014 6:04 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 28, 2014 1:37 PM Flag

    How much lower than $25 do you predict?
    TRC has the worst Management & Board of "Stewards" any investor can imagine!

  • Reply to

    Fort Tejon Old West Show

    by whbuncensored Oct 27, 2014 11:48 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 28, 2014 10:41 AM Flag

    Is this about TRC's improper donation of 500 of its valuable acres for Bakersfield National Cemetery
    (or rather the government's improper acceptance of such a "gift" from a public company) and
    well-meaning policy that severely damaged TRC's value. As Disneyland is to DIS classic animated films
    so shall Fort Tejon be to famous American western movies and tales if this proposal comes forth.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Oct 24, 2014 4:19 PM Flag

    Since SCEI-holders are very unlikely to get their promised October treat,
    they should plan to trick the tricksters (including politicians) come Halloween.
    How many ways could that be done? Study market history for a clue.

  • Reply to

    Impairment of TMV assets?

    by jefatkinson Oct 2, 2014 6:07 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 24, 2014 12:24 PM Flag

    Tejon Ranchcorp DMB TMV,LLC Total
    Balance at June 30, 2014
    $ 35,739,608 $ 65,738,608 $ 101,478,216

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Oct 22, 2014 7:38 PM Flag

    as promised "before the end of October". How likely is that scenario?
    "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

  • Reply to

    How come Bob's bio at Bloomberg

    by whbuncensored Oct 21, 2014 10:24 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 22, 2014 9:49 AM Flag

    Executive Profile* Robert A. Stine
    Director, Member of Executive Committee and Member of Real Estate Committee, Tejon Ranch Co.
    Age 67 Total Calculated Compensation $99,994 As of Fiscal Year 2013
    This person is connected to 38 board members in 4 different organizations across 4 different industries.
    Mr. Robert A. Stine, also known as Bob, served as the Chief Executive Officer of Tejon Ranch Co. from May 1996 to December 17, 2013. Mr. Stine served as President of Tejon Ranch Company from May 1996 to September 2013. He served as the President and Chief Executive Officer of Collins Development Co. from June 1986 to March 1995. Mr. Stine has been a Director of PacWest BanCorp. since 2000. He serves as a Director of Pacific Western BanCorp. of Pacific Western Bank. He has been a Director of Tejon Ranch Co., since May 1996 and Valley Republic Bank since 2008. He serves as Member of Advisory Board at Invite Media, Inc. He served as Lead Director of PacWest BanCorp. since 2007. He served as a Director of Bakersfield Californian from 1999 to 2009. He is a Professor of Statistics at The Wharton School. Mr. Stine's research has been published in top-tier academic journals such as American Statistician, IEEE Trans. on Information Theory, J. Amer. Statistical Assoc., and Sociological Methods & Research. He is the recipient of the Miller-Sherrerd MBA Core Teaching Award, 1993-94, 2003; the David W. Hauck Award for Outstanding Teaching, 2001; and the Excellence in Teaching Award (Undergraduate Division), 2001 and 2003. He served as Independent Consultant from March 1995 to April 1996. He holds Ph.D. and Master's degrees from Princeton University and a BS from the University of South Carolina. Mr. Stine received a B.S. from St. Lawrence University and an M.B.A. from the Wharton School of Business, University of Pennsylvania.

  • Reply to

    Name the Swindlers?

    by whbuncensored Apr 4, 2013 9:27 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 20, 2014 8:02 PM Flag

    Top Institutional Shame-holders
    Holder Shares % Out Value* Reported
    Royce & Associates, LLC 1,397,385 6.79 44,981,823 Jun 30, 2014
    Vanguard Group, Inc. (The) 980,775 4.76 31,571,147 Jun 30, 2014
    Dimensional Fund Advisors LP 593,703 2.88 19,111,299 Jun 30, 2014
    Price, Michael F. 520,000 2.53 16,738,800 Jun 30, 2014
    Gamco Investors Inc 441,219 2.14 14,202,839 Jun 30, 2014
    BlackRock Institutional Trust Company, N.A. 435,930 2.12 14,032,586 Jun 30, 2014
    Towerview LLC. 2,600,000 12.63 83,694,000 Jun 30, 2014
    Third Avenue Management, LLC 2,369,185 11.51 76,264,065 Jun 30, 2014
    London Company of Virginia, (The) 2,133,082 10.36 68,663,909 Jun 30, 2014
    BlackRock Fund Advisors 302,030 1.47 9,722,345 Jun 30, 2014

    Top Mutual Fund Holders
    Holder Shares % Out Value* Reported
    Third Avenue Value Fund, Inc. 1,221,894 5.93 37,890,932 Apr 30, 2014
    Third Avenue Real Estate Value Fund 941,627 4.57 29,199,853 Apr 30, 2014
    Pennsylvania Mutual Fund Inc 534,823 2.60 17,215,952 Jun 30, 2014
    Touchstone Funds Group Tr-Touchstone Small Cap Core Fd 406,931 1.98 13,099,108 Jun 30, 2014
    Royce Value Trust, Inc. 342,600 1.66 11,028,294 Jun 30, 2014
    Vanguard Small-Cap Index Fund 249,221 1.21 8,022,423 Jun 30, 2014
    Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund 237,419 1.15 8,031,884 Mar 31, 2014
    DFA U.S. Micro Cap Series 214,847 1.04 6,662,405 Apr 30, 2014
    iShares Russell 2000 ETF 201,206 0.98 6,476,821 Jun 30, 2014
    Professionally Managed Portf-Hodges Fund 185,000 0.90 6,258,550 Mar 31, 2014

    Compare this update to show who has been adding or reducing TRC shares since 2013 at top.
    Royce and Gamco were biggest buyers while London and Third Ave. were notable sellers.
    Note that the 52-wk high was made October 29, 2013 at 38.79. (Yahoo! Key Stats)
    It's down 31% so far this year!

  • Reply to

    What should the retirement age be?

    by whbuncensored Oct 17, 2014 10:32 AM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 18, 2014 1:47 AM Flag

    TRC looks like a gerontocracy. Its Nominee Committee considers (v) the director’s age (DEF 14A p. 7)
    but doesn't specify what's desirable. Unless an older individual is exceptionally gifted,
    the energy of youth should outweigh the experience of elders in choosing the leadership for an
    enormous enterprise like TRC. Around age 60, wise leaders must frankly consider whether a
    younger apprentice has more vitality to do a better job. Think twice about new hires over 50.

  • Reply to

    Poe Consulting, DEF 14A, p.13

    by investors_liberation_movement Oct 17, 2014 6:35 AM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 17, 2014 2:31 PM Flag

    fyi: Bank of America Corporate Center, 100 North Tryon Street, Charlotte, NC 28255
    BAC has the only bank branch in Arvin located at the north end of TRC.
    Poe's parent law firm is also based in Charlotte:
    Three Wells Fargo Center, 401 South Tryon Street, Suite 3000, Charlotte, NC 28202
    Coincidence or connection?

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Oct 17, 2014 6:35 AM Flag

    During 2013, the Compensation Committee engaged Poe Consulting to assist in the review of executive
    compensation and in 2012 engaged Poe Consulting in a review of director compensation. The decision
    to engage an outside compensation consultant was not recommended by management.
    Poe Consulting 2013 fees were $55,000. Its fees in 2012 were $15,500.

    Web Search of Topic showed Parker Poe Consulting LLC, a South Carolina limited liability company
    and wholly-owned subsidiary of Parker Poe Adams & Bernstein LLP.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Oct 16, 2014 8:58 AM Flag

    State of Investors, Plaintiff vs. Greedy Bob and TRC Directors, Defendants
    In the Yahoo! Court
    Count 1: Investors accuse Defendants of wrongfully looting TRC through excessive compensation.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Oct 14, 2014 4:35 AM Flag

    reside in Lebec currently?

    About how much of his time did Bob Stine actually spend working at TRC during recent years
    as its President and CEO while at the same time he was involved with banking in Bakersfield?
    "Valley Republic Bank since 2008. He serves as Member of Advisory Board at Invite Media, Inc.
    He served as Lead Director of PacWest BanCorp. since 2007. He served as a Director of
    Bakersfield Californian from 1999 to 2009." (Bloomberg)
    Is or should TRC be entitled to some clawback for his only part-time commitment.

    fyi: Invite Media is a display advertising and exchange bidding company that was acquired by
    DoubleClick, a subsidiary of Google Inc. on June 3, 2010. (Wikipedia)

  • investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 9, 2014 7:24 PM Flag

    Prima facie is used in modern legal English to signify that on first examination, a matter
    appears to be evident from the facts. In common law, prima facie denotes evidence that
    – unless rebutted – would be sufficient to prove a particular proposition or fact.

    Prima facie is often confused with res ipsa loquitur (literally, "the thing speaks for itself"),
    the common law doctrine that when the facts make it self-evident that negligence or
    other responsibility lies with a party, it is not necessary to provide extraneous details,
    since any reasonable person would immediately find the facts of the case.

    The difference between the two is that prima facie is a term meaning there is enough
    evidence for there to be a case to answer. Res ipsa loquitur means that because the
    facts are so obvious, a party need explain no more. (source: Wikipedia)

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Oct 7, 2014 2:27 PM Flag

    Why have there been no arrests in HERB's prima facie fraud yet?
    Are American politicians complicit in a cover-up ahead of an election 4 weeks hence?
    Vengeance is way overdue here and in China!

  • Reply to


    by garlawn Oct 7, 2014 1:29 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 7, 2014 2:13 PM Flag

    Just BAD decisions? No! The Private Placement was a MALEVOLENT decision perpetrated
    by EVIL WALL STREET Manipulation. The American and Chinese crooks must be PUNISHED
    to set a firm example of zero tolerance going forward! It's the ONLY way to restore investor confidence.
    You're simply an apologist and collaborator to argue for better decisions at this point.

    CGA probably has a lot of cash at this point in its annual business cycle.
    Actions do indeed speak louder than words. Buy back MANY MORE shares than were
    privately placed at a very steep discount to $2.25. The CEO should work gratis
    (without any cash or other compensation) for at least 3 years to make amends
    or even better forfeit his ill-gotten shares and be fired.

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Oct 7, 2014 1:17 PM Flag

    The Manipulator(s) responsible for the Private Placement must be
    immediately identified and permanently barred from the securities industry.
    CGA's entire Board of Directors must resign or be replaced by regulators.
    No independent investor can have confidence in any of them ever again.
    The same remedy should be applied to the many other cases where
    similar hostile acts against shareholders have occurred.

  • Reply to

    fyi: Arvin is at the northern end.

    by whbuncensored Oct 6, 2014 8:14 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 7, 2014 12:28 AM Flag

    One bank in Arvin - Oh no! America's worst... Does TRC need to go to Bakersfield?

  • Reply to

    CEO buys shares?

    by garlawn Oct 3, 2014 12:44 PM
    investors_liberation_movement investors_liberation_movement Oct 4, 2014 7:47 AM Flag

    Buy more shares? Perhaps only at a much lower price and after
    CGA announces it's repurchasing many shares to make amends.
    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

  • investors_liberation_movement by investors_liberation_movement Oct 3, 2014 7:51 PM Flag

    The Private Placement diluted current shareholders, always an unfriendly act!
    Chairman and CEO Tao Li should've bought his shares in the open market instead.
    Rather than pay a token cash-dividend, shouldn't CGA be repurchasing its shares.
    This is a sucker play by naked short-sellers to fool unwary individuals.
    CGA is now preparing for the outdoor fertilizer market in the N. Hemisphere next year.

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