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jamesmurphy79 644 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 2, 2012 5:38 AM Member since: Jul 18, 2007

#### What's the value of the GUC trust UNITS?

by jamesmurphy79 Jun 15, 2012 8:24 AM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Jul 2, 2012 5:38 AM Flag

you're right ...you have to go back to the price you paid for th ebonds to calculate your cost basis.

What we're talking about is how much a GUC Trust UNIT is worth....if one wanted to buy or sell one....based on the remaing assets to be distributed. BAsed on my calculations the market has these units price lower than their fair value.

#### I figure mtlqu worth ~\$30

by jamesmurphy79 Jun 23, 2012 7:35 AM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Jun 24, 2012 6:29 AM Flag

1. I think there will be very little "Cash" distributed since the main assets are the stocks and warrants

2. You seem to have left off the B warrants. there are an equal number of A & B warrants

so, if there are 30 million gm stocks and 27 million A warrants....then there are 27 million B warrants as well. Then just take the price of all those and divide them by the GUC trust units distributed (30 million guc trusts units).

back of the nevelope calculation is

a little less than one gm share one A warrant one B warrant so \$20 plus \$12 plus \$8

• #### 0 users liked this posts users disliked this posts 0 Reply I figure mtlqu worth ~\$30

jamesmurphy79 by jamesmurphy79 Jun 23, 2012 7:35 AM Flag

I figure mtlqu worth ~\$30 near todays gm stock and warrant prices.

anyone else have any calculations?

• #### 1 users liked this posts users disliked this posts 0 Reply Fair value of GM GUC units

jamesmurphy79 by jamesmurphy79 Jun 20, 2012 8:38 AM Flag

back of the envelope calculation I'm Not sure of the exact numbers so please share your calculations.

one GUC unit for each \$1,000 in bond claims......but some percentage of the total distributions were already received

total payout for each \$1,000 which was approx
3.9 GM stocks
3.5 a warratns
3.5 B warrants

anyone know how much is left to payout 10%? say it is 10%
.39 gm stock X \$21~ (current price) = 8.19
.35 A warrants X \$12~ = 4.2
.35 B Warants? X \$8~ = 2.8

so is the value approx \$15?

any big brains with more details of the percentage of GM stocks and warrants to still distribute? with that data you can value the GUC Trust units if you want to sell them or hold them

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jamesmurphy79 by jamesmurphy79 Jun 15, 2012 8:25 AM Flag

back of the envelope calculation I'm Not sure of the exact numbers so please share your calculations.

one GUC unit for each 1,000 in bond claims......but some percentage of the total distributions were already received

total payout for each 1,000 which was approx
3.9 GM stocks
3.5 a warratns
3.5 B warrants

anyone know how much is left to payout 10%? say it is 10%
.39 gm stock X \$21~ (current price) = 8.19
.35 A warrants X \$12~ = 4.2
.35 B Warants? X \$8~ = 2.8

so is the value approx \$15?

any big brains with more details of the percentage of GM stocks and warrants to still distribute? with that data you can value the GUC Trust units if you want to sell them or hold them

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jamesmurphy79 by jamesmurphy79 Jun 15, 2012 8:24 AM Flag

back of the envelope calculation I'm Not sure of the exact numbers so please share your calculations.

one GUC unit for each 1,000 in bond claims......but some percentage of the total distributions were already received

total payout for each 1,000 which was approx
3.9 GM stocks
3.5 a warratns
3.5 B warrants

anyone know how much is left to payout 10%? say it is 10%
.39 gm stock X \$21~ (current price) = 8.19
.35 A warrants X \$12~ = 4.2
.35 B Warants? X \$8~ = 2.8

so is the value approx \$15?

any big brains with more details of the percentage of GM stocks and warrants to still distribute? with that data you can value the GUC Trust units if you want to sell them or hold them

#### LNC or HIG?

by jcbrowns Jan 30, 2012 1:26 PM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Mar 22, 2012 5:40 PM Flag

I own both....the warrants of both.....as well as AIG warrants.

check it out...aig-wt, lnc-wt, hig-wt

its a good way to lever up your long position

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jamesmurphy79 by jamesmurphy79 Mar 6, 2012 4:41 PM Flag

Kind of crazy....will be loading up on MS, BAC, C and aig

#### GM bond Distribution

by jamesmurphy79 Jan 2, 2012 10:42 AM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Jan 2, 2012 10:56 AM Flag

source of this info is GUC trust FAQ page

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jamesmurphy79 by jamesmurphy79 Jan 2, 2012 10:42 AM Flag

The next distribution from the Trust is scheduled to occur as soon as promptly as practicable following January 1, 2012.

I'll start selling at \$45

#### For serious investors.... GM warrants

by jamesmurphy79 Nov 2, 2011 6:52 AM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Nov 2, 2011 2:10 PM Flag

2013 call options
strike price
13.00 GM130119C00013000 11.50 total 24.50

2016 warrant exiration
strike
10.00 GM-WTA 14.50 total 24.50

this is as close as you can get with options and its not as good a deal because of the long expiration

#### For serious investors.... GM warrants

by jamesmurphy79 Nov 2, 2011 6:52 AM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Nov 2, 2011 1:52 PM Flag

Yes good caution.....that is why this suggestion is for LONG Term investors......not for traders.......However if you are LONG.....the expiration is years away (2016),,,,the B warrants are 2019,,,,,,,serious investors know this will be over \$50 by then.......EASY...that is \$26 PPS appreciation from here ...but your money today will get many more shares......each is going to get the same PPS appreciation.

good lick....expect a bump after the 9th of November

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jamesmurphy79 by jamesmurphy79 Nov 2, 2011 6:52 AM Flag

Can't believe the good fortune....opportunities like this where share price and company perfromance are misaligned and there exists a way to lever up with super long expiration. This deep "in the money" these LONG term warrants provide a way to lever up your long position at no real cost.

GM-WTA is currently 14.61 with a \$10 strike price (GM \$23.31) and 5 year expiration.

check out the bank warrants also....

• #### 0 users liked this posts users disliked this posts 0 Reply 28 Oct got my distro....similar to 2nd distro

jamesmurphy79 by jamesmurphy79 Oct 28, 2011 3:48 PM Flag

Kind of small......hopefully we get the rest in January

• #### 0 users liked this posts users disliked this posts 0 Reply 3rd distribution from bonds like 2nd

jamesmurphy79 by jamesmurphy79 Oct 28, 2011 3:40 PM Flag

SO big first distribution puny second and third and the rest in late Jan?

#### GM bounces off new low after S&P note

by supor450 Sep 23, 2011 12:01 PM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Sep 23, 2011 2:50 PM Flag

about 65% or GM sales are overseas.....not north america.......so that is where the growth is......labor cheaper....and taxes lower.....as well far fewer car owners per capita

#### Bought 1000 shares GM yesterday

by freeideas2011 Sep 21, 2011 6:31 AM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Sep 21, 2011 3:53 PM Flag

thoughts?

#### Bought 1000 shares GM yesterday

by freeideas2011 Sep 21, 2011 6:31 AM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Sep 21, 2011 7:01 AM Flag

you could have bought almost 2000 "A" warrants.....a better play for those that are long GM. \$10 strike price.....this deep in teh money they are like a proxy for the stock and and will get all the appreciation the stock gets.

#### If you're long GM ...buy the warrants

by jamesmurphy79 Sep 2, 2011 2:52 PM
jamesmurphy79 jamesmurphy79 Sep 3, 2011 9:08 PM Flag

yup that's what i'm talkin bout