its not about having more profits and more revenue, its about convincing people to buy in hopes of higher profits and higher revenue, this is why people are willing to pay higher multiples, right now and not likely to change, apple has declining profits and revenue and has been on this trend for quite a while.
i pad, i phone i pod and computer sales will likely merge into a one tablet device like the samsung galaxy...even if samsung fails, apple will still need to release a large screen i phone to compete and that will kill all other product sales and that one product will not be able to come anywere near the year they had with all 4 products being bought, consumers are now becoming aware as their computer or ipad collect dust that these items are not needed anymore if you have something like a samsung note
i just got a margin call this morning on my aapl short, didnt cover but was almost forced to, this looks like a top and my short may be profitable sooner than later, i always knew this would see low 300s but was worried i would be forced to cover before that happened....i still believe this companies major problem is large smart phones, they eliminate the need for almost anything else...i just bought a smsung note and its the greatest thing i ever owned and my computer and ipad is collecting dust
that gap is sucking in SP like the tractor beam on the deth star sucked in the millenium falcon...resistence is futile young jedis
market rejected 1700 and did so with conviction...1700 was average target for the year too, big money has been quietly shorting now its time for them to get paid, shorting hasnt worked for a long time now, this type of endless run up has investors complacent ...only now when the market corrects 5 percent and all those idiots who were waiting for a dip to buy, will get killed when they pull the rug out and the floor drops out
just proves they have lost their ability to innovate , they are now just changing the size of existing products, making cheaper versions and adding useless gimmicks ....its a cell phone for christs sake, not fort knox!
and their stock has gone nowhere in 10 years that they have been on top because the consumer will only allow a certain brand to command so much market share for so long, so yes, toyota the best selling car brand in the world, and still the stock hasnt moved in 10 years even while they held first place that entire time, its not a growth stock, its a value play and now so is apple
what does htc stock or samsung stock have to do with apple? do you think samsung tanking or htc tanking is good for apple? when the auto industry was in trouble in 2008, all car stocks tanked..the cell phone market will make a major shift is all im saying, no one company will be able to command a huge market share and as such competition will kill margins...im not saying apple will go bk, im saying human nature shows that they will reach a certain market share(lets say 50 percent, and then their will be mass rejection of that many apple phones in the world, no one will want to be the person with that phone, people will migrate to individuality, i mean do you honestly see a world with an iwatch, i phone and an itv and ipad in every household? people are already rejecting that idea
if you want to stick with the car analogy we can do that and i actually believe its appropriate, while you are correct, toyota is the best selling car manufacturer and has been for years, their market share at their best was close to 14 percent and that was at its peaked and is not closer to 12 percent
and this cheap iphone will just be another nail in their coffin, if people are already getting sick of that apple logo in their face everyday, imagine when homeless people and those on welfare and indians with no shoes are using it, lol...people with money and those who start trends wouldnt be caught dead with one..if you think this cant happen, just look back through history when any aother car or fashion accessory, or gadget was huge, ...good run for a few years and then its over
most tech nerds have already decided the htc one is the best phone on the market, a tech nerd would never admit the most popular phone is the best, its a fact the htc one is a better phone but even if they were the same , tech nerds would find some way to make the htc one a better phone...
its just human nature, a cell phone is becoming such an important part of our society, like an automobile, users will look to express their individuality and uniqueness and will certainly look to distance themselves from the masses, mark this post, very soon, and i believe its happening now, people will be so sick of that apple logo that very soon people with iphones will be made fun of..it sounds silly but this is life
bigger screen i phone kills ipad and further points to apple no longer leading innovation but now has moved to trying to catch up, lol .i love it!!
what releases? they have nothing new, all the same #$%$ that gives no reason to buy
better screen and more space is worth it, and you dont like the plastic case? stick with your stylish metal case even though it blocks reception, this is why samsung phones are faster than apple, because apples metal case blocks reception, those in the know will take performace over style anyday especially since 90 percent of phone users have a case on their phone anyway
im just curios why the longs think the market will value apple more here than they did in the past? i mean, it was a similar price months ago with better earnings and less evidence of slowing growth, now we have declining earnings and growth halted, and an even more overbought market , cheap or not, the market doesnt want to pay more for this and there is no reason for them to change their mind
that is the dumbest thing i ever heard, thats the point, they make TOO MUCH MONEY, competition will crush their growth, their margins and lack of innovation will put their entire business in danger...the fact that samsung is growing twice as fast as apple with lower margins and a better product will force apple to cut pricing significantly...its like a bull market, bull markets are always a bull market during good news, its trying to predict the trouble ahead that positions you well for a short, apples troubles are as clear as day and is why this stock refuses to rally even #$%$&p nears 1700, what looks like a cheap stock can prove a value trap if samsung continues to steal market share, tablet sales continue to slide, and if all in one devices(computer,phone, tablet, ipod ) take off and the samsung galaxy and the note seem like they fit this bill...this is why apple doesnt want to release a larger phone, they know if they do that ipads no longer look attractive, only way to keep up these huge numbers is to convince people they need several devices from apple and samsung is showing people there is a cheaper and better way with all in one devices
if apple us able to retain its lead and dominate the space , it will have been the first time in history... i have seen tech companies come and go ever since my first computer and phone....my first computer was the comodor 64 , lol....motorola was a great company when beepers were the thing, i mean no one ever though they would become obsolete , this is what will eventually happen with apple, if it doesnt, like i said, it would be the first time ever...like i said, most likely senario is that samsumg has it right with a device like the galaxy or better yet the note, tablet, phone, ipod, etc all in one device....no one will but computers often as they will be no need to replace something you rarely use, the overversized phone will replace nearly all devices and with all new technology, in time the cost drops significantly and margins get crushed, this is happening already and its really stupid to believe this will not only get worse, even if apple is able to maintain a decent market share, the profits and only sales related to a single product will have this stock trading under a hundred bucks soon, there will be a new, cooler player soon , why? because there always is