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Walter Energy, Inc. Message Board

joeltay16 7 posts  |  Last Activity: Jun 16, 2013 4:06 AM Member since: Jun 15, 2013
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    Facts about WLT loans - 2

    by joeltay16 Jun 16, 2013 2:47 AM
    joeltay16 joeltay16 Jun 16, 2013 4:06 AM Flag

    As you are aware, term loan A matures in Apr 2016. However, it is a term loan, and as such, WLT is required to make periodic payment to reduce the indebtness. Their obligations (from all the term loans) are 102M in 2013, 177M in 2014, 602M in 2015, 229M in 2016, 65M in 2017, and over 1B thereafter.

    As you can see, the bulk of their obligations is in 2015, and that is why WLT deemed it MATERIAL.
    For the next 1.5 years, they have the ability the service the loan (provided the prices hold up at this point, and they continue to reduce cash cost of production.

    Sentiment: Hold

  • Based on my last writeup, we already know the liabilities position of WLT.
    At this point of time, BK is a remote possibility.

    When WLT pulled the refinancing, it was done because of the market condition. In this case, the condition is the tightening of interest rate (rate went up) since the Fed announced the possibility of taming the stimulus (bond-buying). As you are aware, it was the Fed monthly buying of the bonds that kept the interest rate low. Since Apr30 when Fed announced their intention, the rates had gone up. So it made no sense for WLT to refinance now when the benefit is not visible.

    It would have been a major problem if the refinancing was to get more money and they failed (WLT is not trying to do that), . But since this is not the case, the "bad" news was for the shorts to pound on that since this is perceived as such.
    Having said that, WLT's profitablity (and survival) depends on the coking coal prices. For Q2 so far, the prices are better than Q1 and they have made cost-cutting since Q1. So Q2 is possible for them to turn around and make a profit, or reduce losses. So no brainer Q2 is not a drag on EBITDA. But towards the end of Q2 (May 20++), prices had dropped from $176 to $140. But at the same time, assuming they made the 15% cost-cutting, WLT is expected to perform better in Q2 compared to Q1. The question is on Q3. If prices hold up, or even rises, then WLT would rebound.

  • Reply to

    Facts about WLT loans

    by joeltay16 Jun 15, 2013 4:24 PM
    joeltay16 joeltay16 Jun 16, 2013 2:25 AM Flag

    IN WLT case, stock price does not concern the bank convenant. It is a Wall Street game.

  • Reply to

    Facts about WLT loans

    by joeltay16 Jun 15, 2013 4:24 PM
    joeltay16 joeltay16 Jun 16, 2013 2:23 AM Flag

    For the term loan, since it is Libor-based, there is no way we know what it will be in the next few years. If interest remain low in the enviroment, it will be about what they are getting now. It could shoot to 13% if LIBOR starts going up.
    For the senior notes, the interest is fixed, payable to the bondholder every 6 months.

  • Reply to

    Facts about WLT loans

    by joeltay16 Jun 15, 2013 4:24 PM
    joeltay16 joeltay16 Jun 16, 2013 2:20 AM Flag

    Term loan A (650M balance) due Apr 2016
    Term loan B (970M balance) due Apr 2018

  • Reply to

    Facts about WLT loans

    by joeltay16 Jun 15, 2013 4:24 PM
    joeltay16 joeltay16 Jun 16, 2013 2:17 AM Flag

    The ballpark figure is, WLT must achieve EBITDA of 15Million per quater. EBITDA to include non-cash adjustment. If EBITDA falls below that, it would be considered a loan default.

  • joeltay16 by joeltay16 Jun 15, 2013 4:24 PM Flag

    WLT has a number of liabilities, and it is important to note the following:
    Term Loan A = LIBOR-based, at avg rate of 4.8%
    Term Loan B = LIBOR-based at avg rate of 5.75%
    450M Senior Note A due 2021 = 8.5%
    500M Senior Note B due 2020 = 9.875

    What WLT is trying to refinance is the TERM loans (A or B).

    BK is not likely at this point, because they still have the ability to service those loans.

    Sentiment: Hold

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