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Lihua International, Inc. (LIWA) Message Board

johnskokie 87 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 9, 2014 5:32 PM Member since: Oct 13, 2005
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  • johnskokie johnskokie Jul 9, 2014 5:32 PM Flag

    I believe Creed has expressed, repeatedly, that LIWA is a lost cause. My thinking is that Power Apex has initiated the process to declare the company insolvent and will subsequently file for bankruptcy. This will allow them to reorganize the company, and pay a percentage to outstanding creditors. If Chinese bankruptcy is similar to U.S. law it means that LIWA shareholders will get zilch, nothing, nada. And, yes, I believe they will restart operations under the reorganization as the sole owners/operators of a new company.
    The only hope is if they find $$ that the former CEO squirreled away. Oh, and what about the auditors Crowe Horwath and the $500,000 audits they performed for LIWA the past two years? I think they should refund the money and pay a $10 million dollar fine for incredible incompetence.

  • johnskokie johnskokie Jul 8, 2014 2:28 PM Flag

    Looks like you're up to speed on events Micky. However, I don't think "it will be shut down by the gov't." The Chinese gov't has given the green light for Power Apex to take over LIWA--which is a powerful message. The smelters and factory appear to be state of the art regarding pollution controls. And, the gov't is pushing recycling. The money (or lack of) is the primary question. Did the former CEO hide assets? If there are a number of creditors to be paid Power Apex may need to reorganize the company. By filing for bankruptcy the creditors will get something, and the shareholders of LIWA will get nothing. Power Apex will run the new company that emerges.
    The single hope left is that cash or other assets of the former CEO can be found to avoid bankruptcy. I'm giving that a less than 5% chance. But who knows? I've been wrong before...

  • johnskokie johnskokie Jul 6, 2014 8:58 AM Flag

    Yes, Micky you've got it! It appears that the company is insolvent, and the books had "been cooked" ala Bernie Madoff.
    The only encouraging news is that the factory is intact and that the Chinese government is apparently going to return some assets that it had previously seized when it shut the facility down. On the other hand, will the new CEO / board need to declare bankruptcy? Lots of unanswered questions. I'm not optimistic - just realistic.

  • johnskokie johnskokie Jul 2, 2014 11:04 PM Flag

    "WXIDG paid tens of millions of dollars..." They did??? What's your source of information on the purchase price Micky? Please disclose how you know this. Or, is this just wishful speculation on your part?

  • johnskokie johnskokie Jul 1, 2014 12:00 PM Flag

    Got to believe you're correct Bernard. He probably had to give up his shares in a bargain deal to lessen any charges / jail time he might receive. They also kill criminals in China, and I think our former CEO is well aware of that.

  • Reply to

    Form 8-K filed - Delisting

    by chicaarnau Jun 23, 2014 3:33 PM
    johnskokie johnskokie Jun 23, 2014 4:52 PM Flag

    If they are delisted why would they continue to file anything with the SEC? I would guess this gives Power Apex the green light to take private anything that remains of the company.

  • johnskokie johnskokie Jun 6, 2014 10:15 AM Flag

    It was a "9.9% stake in the underperforming business." Doesn't sound good for whatever Lihua International it is.....

  • Here's another puzzle: Lihua's audit firm Crowe Horwath was paid $453,000 in 2012 and $453,000 in 2013 according to the 10-K Annual report for 12/31/2013.
    These fees were paid "...for professional services rendered by Crowe for the audit of our annual financial statements and the review of the financial statements included in our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q."

    Almost a half a million for two years running and Crowe Horwath didn't spot anything amiss? I guess they could work with Bernie Madoff too and not notice anything. What happened to the auditors that blew the
    Enron audits--weren't they put out of business?

  • johnskokie by johnskokie Jun 2, 2014 3:31 PM Flag

    Mr. Zhu, the former president and CEO of Lihua, is alleged to have engaged in deceptive and illegal actions that appear to include "cooking the books." How is it then that in the subsequent SEC notices Daphne Huang, CFO continues to sign off as the financial officer? Wouldn't she-- as the CFO -- been aware of the financial irregularities of Mr. Zhu? Was she, in any way, assisting Mr. Zhu in his misadventures? Was she responsible for the ongoing misinformation to shareholders of LIWA? I'm puzzled by this.

  • Reply to

    Qi report due next week

    by callitht May 8, 2014 4:53 PM
    johnskokie johnskokie May 8, 2014 7:48 PM Flag

    Will they really post a Q1 report? If they do, are the numbers real??

  • johnskokie johnskokie Apr 22, 2014 3:11 PM Flag

    Well said elpaso! What we have here is a failure to communicate!

  • Methinks a dividend would help against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune that hast befallen this
    sorry stock. Tis a mockery the current share price! To arms! Speak out against this infamy!
    My kingdom for a dividend!

  • johnskokie johnskokie Apr 2, 2014 10:30 AM Flag

    Is LIWA on its way to becoming a penny stock?

  • Reply to

    Monday, Monday...

    by johnskokie Mar 14, 2014 2:12 PM
    johnskokie johnskokie Mar 14, 2014 4:19 PM Flag

    "your bottom dollar" ?? Hmm... does that portend something? The Snow Princess (from Frozen) said it best: "Let it go, Let it go!"

  • johnskokie by johnskokie Mar 14, 2014 2:12 PM Flag

    What will Monday bring? With world markets focused on Sunday's Crimea vote, China's slowdown, and the fall in copper prices can any news from LIWA have an impact? I don't know why, but I have this old limbo song going on in my head:....... "How low can it go?"

  • johnskokie by johnskokie Mar 13, 2014 3:28 PM Flag

    Timing is everything, and it seems our LIWA CEO will be able to utilize the China downturn, lower copper prices, and the Ukraine unrest (with global markets slumping) as basis for a lower buyout price should he decide to take that route. He might consider $6 /sh a generous offer.

  • johnskokie by johnskokie Mar 5, 2014 1:23 PM Flag

    I knew it was coming: CXDC's share price passed LIWA ($5.07 vs. $5.06) this afternoon. I recall that LIWA was recently $1.00 + higher in share price in comparison. Just goes to show the impact of determined manipulation and suppression of LIWA's shares. Kudos to LIWA management for a job well done!

  • Reply to

    annual report around the corner

    by bullriderpen Mar 3, 2014 12:03 AM
    johnskokie johnskokie Mar 3, 2014 8:13 AM Flag

    Am I glad that I invested in LIWA? No. Disappointed? Yes. This was / is a company with great potential but the uncertainties of regulation of accounting between China and the U.S., and the lack of commitment by the company to the U.S. market listing has cast a cloud over it from day one.
    It's my opinion that the suppression of the LIWA stock price has been intentional, because this provides a lower price for management to take the company private. A goal which, I believe, the CEO has had for quite some time now--despite his comments to the contrary.

    It will be interesting to see how the share price will be manipulated in the trading days ahead prior to the anticipated announcement that the company will be going private.

  • johnskokie by johnskokie Mar 1, 2014 2:32 PM Flag

    A number of posters on this board have come to the conclusion, based it seems on rumors, speculation and fragments of unverified information that the CEO of LIWA is in the process of taking the company private. I also believe there may be some basis for the belief that a buyout is perhaps in the works. There has been an effort, in my opinion, to depress the stock price for quite some time. The withholding of news updates on patents, contracts, and other developments is just one example. We have also witnessed the "afternoon swoon" of LIWA of late when the stock is green in the morning and then concentrated selling occurs in the afternoon to suppress any price gain. There has been / is a bull market and shares of other companies have jumped in price (for example: CXDC has risen $1 + in the past several weeks and is poised to pass LIWA in share price soon while LIWA is down 10% YTD).

    If a buyout is indeed in the process the question is what will the exit price be? Current listed book value of LIWA is $11.03/sh. What will the institutional holders of 7.7 million shares (26%) be willing to accept for their shares?
    What will the retail holders of LIWA be willing to accept? And most importantly, what will the Chairman offer?

  • Reply to

    LIWA's afternoon swoon

    by johnskokie Feb 27, 2014 4:28 PM
    johnskokie johnskokie Feb 27, 2014 10:47 PM Flag

    So the "Afternoon Swoon" is a planned effort to hold LIWA back and keep the price down? Interesting.
    No need for "hit" pieces, it looks like management is doing whatever is necessary to quash interest in LIWA to accommodate their plan. They can withhold news / updates and depress the stock price for their purposes.
    Well, for what it's worth, I never felt like a "valued shareholder." I took a gamble with LIWA and looks like the deck was stacked against me. How does that song go: Fools rush in where angels fear to tread...

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