Anyone near the LA area should go by and test drive the i3 at the BMW setup on Figueroa and Pico. It's free; you don't have to buy a ticket for LA Auto Show that's going on across the street. They have a large number of i3's so the wait is minimal.
Lol. It is funny how the same group say that the Model S' range is too short yet a car with a 90 mile range is a threat. Spending an additional $3000 to get the range extender (all 2 cylinders of it) makes everything ok despite the obvious limited performance of a 2 cylinder not to mention it only adds around 100 miles of range. In the end it doesn't matter, they are the modern day equivalent to the flat world believers, peak oil theorists etc.
Staples Ctr is in LA co. I test drove the i3 at the event. Very unusual in that it's a solo drive-no one from BMW rides along. Regardless, I like the way it drove albeit it was only for a short distance. Surprisingly good acceleration up to 40 mph but then had to hit the brakes as it was on the street and there was a lot of traffic. On a practical matter it's a small car, much smaller than a Model S and of course the range is far less than the Tesla as well. On the subjective side but also what many others have noted it's an ugly car in an ugly color.
Bottom line: I'd consider one if the Model S was nowhere near my price range with the emphasis on nowhere. At first glance it looks like a better option for those who do a lot of driving in a commuter car and who would prefer not to spend more on gas, time at a gas station or more time at a dealer than an ICE would dictate.
Final notes: the i3's price is about $10,000 more than the Volt. Will be interesting to see how Volt sales/pricing are affected. It's possible it'll take some sales away. However it could spur sales if it causes people to get educated so that they realize that the range anxiety phobia is exactly that for 80-90% of them and that the safety or complexity "questions" are being brought up by those who hate EVs because of government subsides/incentives or lawyers for whom no dollar is too dirty or dishonest to take.
If you're referring to Craig Froehle's VIN thread, it's obviously voluntary and not everyone who buys a Tesla goes on the forum let alone posts their VIN. VIN postings can give an idea of demand but lack of postings doesn't necessarily mean the opposite-it may just mean a lack of postings. We'll have to see. If you have another source of VIN assignments post it.
I would note that if actual sales were down to the 16,000/year as indicated by Craig's thread, that would imply 2500 cars per quarter overproduction yet delivery times have stayed consistent in the 1-3 month range. Also job openings are at yet another all time high-and by a good margin over the last time looked several weeks ago.
Lol If only a few "zombie" buyers are left, how have sales gone from 2000 to 4900 to 5100 and possibly near 6000 this quarter? While some people have really stretched to buy a Model S, only someone like you could disparage so many people who earn or have enough money to buy a car in Tesla's price range. My experience is most, although not all (think athletes and actors) people who make or have that kind of money are much more intelligent than the average person.
Glad to see you're back to your old tricks. About the only people who could brick the battery are ignorant buffoons and even they would have to go out of their way to do it. Regardless, it's STILL covered under the warranty.
1. What's the difference? You'll say he's lying anyway.
2. "Claptrap has come to an end?" This from the guy who lied about batteries failing, $40,000 replacement costs, no demand,...
If q3 sales are under 5300 (which is still ahead of the forecast) I'll say I was wrong about demand. If it's over 6000, how about being honest for a change and saying you're wrong about Elon and Tesla? Of course, you should be saying that for about a year now but it's never too late to do the right thing.
It will be a huge benefit. Research V2G (vehicle to grid) and demand response technologies.
On this we agree. I'm almost as big a fan of fracking as Tesla. It's interesting that those who are against it always bring up environmental issues but know little about them and NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING about the amazing economic benefits that this country is reaping. Fracking can and is overwhelmingly done safely, the few incidents have been exaggerated by dishonest activists like the guys who made Gasland.
BTW oil production alone is up over 500 million barrels per year in this country over 2006 production and it continues to increase. Do the math on that. We'd be in an instant recession if the Sierra Club et al got their way and ended fracking.
All the reasons you stated are why I'm short oil. Oil has been bid up mostly by speculators as noted by Barrons's and other articles that describe how non-hedgers have by far the largest open long positions.
While lower gas prices will have some impact on EV sales, EVs will still be less expensive to operate but more importantly they are simply better cars PERIOD. Even at an equivalent cost of fuel and a premium to purchase, once people who don't drive more than 150 miles/day actually try one and realize the "issues" are nearly all irrelevant, they won't go back.
If that figure is even off by 50%, the Tesla doubters, trolls and shorts will have to invent new "issues" to defend their positions. Oil will be a lot lower as Tesla and other car companies scramble to ramp up EV production and roll out new models.
Still long term short oil. Will take some profits starting below $80.
If you think oil companies pay for bashers then you have to believe the greenies, who can only survive with generous government subsidies, are even more aggressive and with an overly sympathetic government they have much more access and influence than oil companies could buy. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with government help to get wind and solar off the ground but at this stage all taxpayers are being ripped off by the inefficiency of the home solar industry in particular. The benefits given to the EV industry have a fixed ending, wind and solar have gone on way too long and seem to have no end in sight.
BTW didn't read the Gore article but I agree that the peak power of oil countries and their pricing power is finally behind us, assuming the environmental extremists don't kill fracking. These groups are as dangerous to the U.S. as the right-wing survivalists. Did you know that domestic oil production alone is up over 500 million barrels per year over 2007 levels and is still greatly increasing due to fracking? Do the math and you'll see how much it's boosted our economy.
Um, don't know where you've been but the stock has done well, production is still ahead of estimates, finances continue to improve.
I didn't go by the VIN numbers last quarter and I don't use them to judge production, only demand, and indications are that demand is strong and getting stronger. We'll know shortly what is causing the lengthened delivery times for the 85kw model-demand or supply issues.
Your comments are ironic. You take shots at some of us by talking about the backlog, profitability, etc. yet when it comes to your main area of professional expertise, auto retailing, you could not be more wrong. Bring up all the other stuff you want, it doesn't matter. Nor does the stock price. What matters is that Tesla has increased production yet demand continues to outstrip it even while there have been 2 price increases this year. YOUR repeated claims about Tesla's current and future failure could not be more wrong. If you had been hired to advise Tesla competitors and given them the same opinions and strategic direction that you've espoused here, you would have been fired long ago. Tesla will do $2.5-3 billion in sales this year and it comes at the direct expense of the companies you would have been advising.
Being wrong is one thing, swimming in the kbodie/bertram cesspool is another. Do you really want to stoop to their level? Can't wait for them to be proven wrong yet again when Q3 results come out. They'll never admit it but we all know it'll eat them up. No one who goes out of their way to be so deceptive and post so often does it because they're apathetic.
You will probably argue that the backlog is less than what it was and we will differ on the interpretation so say what you want but Tesla is not only selling every car it can make but still has a backlog even after greatly increasing production and 2 price increases. Demand continues to exceed supply despite the 2 price increases. If that's failure as a retailer, EVERY retailer would strive to fail.
People posting their VINs vs actual VIN assignments are not the same thing but we all know how disingenuous you are and should expect nothing less.
For everyone else I would note that the Model S design page now shows 2-3 month delivery times for the 60 and 85 models with the P85 still at 1 month. In other words, wait time has increased for the standard 85. Could it be due to demand, supplier or production issues? I believe it's the former but we'll see.
Tesla had a corporate presentation last month and it said they were producing around 500 cars/week. There is no chance they produced enough cars to get deliveries anywhere near 10,000 for the quarter. Order rate of 10,000? Yes, but not deliveries and a car is not considered as sold until it's delivered. And I'm not short.
When they got rid of US reservation numbers, Elon noted that anyone wanting to track TM production should just look at the most recent VINs."
Between strong VIN assignment rates and their presentation last month in which they said production was around 500/week, Q3 and Q4 are looking to be far ahead of the forecast. Depending on how much of a beat and how strong the forecast is, should be good for the stock although I doubt we'll significantly break the all time high.
Before one of you say it, this is for a P85. Wait times are longer for the 2 lower end models:
"yombad | OCTOBER 16, 2013
VIN 26095 assigned 10/16, confirmed config 10/15. Late November delivery for P85."
For most of the country, especially where there are large numbers of drivers, it is much higher. And it looks like there are a number of states that don't have any CNG stations. It looks every state has some number of EV charging stations but even if not, EVERY state has plenty of 110v outlets.
Um, ok, but how about a couple of small details:
1. Where will you fill the CNG tank?
2. If you said at home, do you know how much a CNG compressor is? Do you know how long it takes to fill? Do you know what the electricity cost is to run it?
3. If you didn't say at home, how many CNG refueling stations are there in the country? Enough to go cross country?
4. Which is cheaper to operate, CNG/bi-fuel cars or EVs?
That's like 6 strikes-you're out.