The answer is on the Tesla Forum under the topic "HOW DID YOU ORDER YOUR TESLA? SALES PERSON OR SELF ONLINE?". Even if you rightfully discount the earliest buyers as first adopters, online sales are very significant. If fact:
"Everyone who has purchased a Model S has done so through the website. The only thing a Tesla Sales Associate will do is walk you through the process, while you sit there, in front of the website, at a computer in their showroom. This is good for people who have questions about each option before they select it, but it is by no means necessary if you have done your homework. There is no negotiating on price, or 'extras' the sales people can throw in to entice you to buy, so there is no advantage to buying through the store, other than getting direct answers to your questions about different packages and options."
Thumbs up for yes, down for no. If you vote no, would appreciate posting the reason(s).
Few refueling stations, can't refuel at home, can't drive out of state, 0-60 in 10 seconds, 4 seater...and these "great" features won't be available until 2015.
If you buy a new water heater but fail to properly connect the gas line (not adequately tightening or failing to use plumber's tape for example) and gas leaks then ignites when the igniter comes on causing an explosion and fire, is the water heater faulty? On the other hand, how about if the water heater detected a gas leak from the line or a faulty valve etc., disabled the igniter then notified you of the issue? No fire, no explosion.
If the bridge you're driving your car over collapses due to lack of maintenance or earthquake damage, is the car faulty?
I suspect some of you will take the position that if the Tesla hadn't been plugged in, the water heater wasn't turned on or you didn't drive on a road with a bridge there wouldn't have been any problems...
A father and daughter are making the trip, are currently in Arizona and expect to be So Cal late this afternoon. With the exception of ice on one Supercharger cable (that was quickly resolved), no problems despite very cold temps, wind and snow.
I know, I know, for those of you who routinely drive coast to coast in a car, driving straight through without extended or overnight stops and wouldn't want to make as many stops to recharge this car isn't for you. For the majority of us who don't fit that mold and stop to eat or sleep, the gas savings average out to more than many of you earn on an hourly basis-and that's pretax!
The game has changed...
"The proper role of the government has always been to ensure that crooks not be able to steal money from the people who need it the most..."
Since when are shorts the group who need money the most? What poor person has a brokerage account let alone a margin account that permits short sales not to mention enough funds to actually short anything? BTW investors don't go net short, speculators do. It's funny that the same people that decry government involvement in things like Tesla now demand action to help speculators from hurting themselves.
Wait, I'm wrong-guys like you, bergerboy, countmeout, kbotchedit, fit the bill. Too bad you started out with more than you now have and want the government to step in.
Nearly all of the money "lost" on tsla is by shorts and most of them are hedge funds and other theoretically sophisticated investors. Nearly every long has made money and most have made a lot.
Nice (actually, not) try. There was an article on this topic which pointed out that while CALIFORNIA sales are somewhat lower it's most likely because Tesla can't produce enough cars to fill demand so is rationing sales as a way to fill orders in other states and Europe. In other words, Tesla has made the decision to prioritize European and non-California orders until they can meet demand.
Tesla has nearly 600 job openings in the U.S. alone at this time.
I hope Tesla and/or the SEC come after you. Guys like you are just stupid enough to think that anything they post is ok and they can't be identified. Wrong.
future, I'm going to predict the future. As Tesla sales go from 23,000 to 35,000, to 60,000 to whatever we'll see this:
kbodie: There is no demand for Teslas. The backlog is gone. There is no way they'll sell 100,000 cars. I predict this year they will miss estimates and will only sell around 70,000. I'm looking to buy out of the money puts, maybe the Jan 310's.
From Sept 13:
"As of last week, our Tesla HPWC (High Power Wall Connector) is finally up and running. And it's fast. It can send electricity into our 2013 Tesla Model S's battery some 2.7 times faster than standard Level 2 charging equipment."
Typical kbodie. Post the 7 month old news, leave out the 3 month old update. Why mislead and lie when the facts are on your side? How are those puts doing?
What do you think the usual suspects will say? It's fake? A scam? Elon's a fraud?
Let's see who takes exception to the 3000 U.S. employees of SpaceX, the revenue it generates and the business that it's taking from other countries (I think France and Russia are 2 of them).
Yes, I do know how options work and yes the govt incentives have helped the company and the stock. However, this isn't the same as what your comment implies. In fact, a good case could be made that tsla SHORTS are more responsible for Elon's headline compensation.
Do YOU know how options work? Since Elon has yet to sell any stock to offset option grants, his net interest in the company has increased, not the cash in his pocket.
If you care so much about workers (or is that just union workers?) then you'll need to change your tune as I believe that all full time, and possibly part timers as well, receive compensation in the form of options and/or stock through an ESOP.
Like so many Tesla/Musk haters, you're delusional. Against gov't subsidies for EVs? Fine, we can disagree but they have a finite life-unlike far, far larger subsidies and loopholes for generally wealthy people and that provide no real benefit-1031 exchanges, carried interest, oil depletion allowance, etc. At least in Tesla's case if you do a little math there are far more benefits than you realize.
BTW those Tesla buyers with "... avg . net worth of over 50% of Americans and 75% of the rest of the world." (according to you) pay the overwhelming amount of taxes that are collected with any metric you want to use. They also get the least back from the government in services, unlike the nearly 50% in the country and California that don't pay income taxes and the smaller percentage that actually get cash back! There plenty of directions to point fingers; putting Tesla and it's customers anywhere but the bottom of the list is laughably partisan.
Lol! Quite the topic from the guy who also said "No More Snark. Let's be productive, help each other."
Musk is arrogant? Let me guess: you think Trump is modest. And you don't like Elon's hair.
Maybe you can clear something else up: if Tesla is losing money on every car, how can they then be ripping off ANY customers? By selling at the same price in China as other countries, how can they be ripping off the Chinese? And can you cite any evidence that other car companies are not marking cars up far more in China?
You must be a big fan of recycling as you keep reusing old stories. Has to be pure misery to be so wrong for so long. Didn't you have January puts with strikes well under 100? Was that for Jan 2013? Those didn't work out. January 2014? Not looking good. It's well deserved karma for going far beyond a philosophical disagreement on gov't incentives for EVs and instead continuing a multi-year scorched earth and character assassination war against Tesla, Elon and EVs.
Happy New Year!
“These are very rare events, but occasionally the wiring isn’t done right,” Musk said. “We want people to have absolute comfort, so we’re going to be providing them with an upgraded adapter.”
Since Tesla is not recalling any products, sounds like this may be to prevent overheating and potential fires when the circuit beyond Tesla's equipment ie receptacle and/or it's wiring is faulty or degraded.
Um, the headline from Automotive Fleet says "Tesla Recalling 29K Model S Electric Vehicles". While you'll probably have no issue with the "recall" characterization even though it's not true (the car is not being recalled, only the adapter if even that is accurate), if you're going to accept the headline then it's good to know that Tesla was able to produce around 13,000 cars in Q4.
Even if some adapters are defective, the software update and fuse will still provide added protection should the outlet or wiring have problems.
No mea culpa but youa idiot.
U.S. annualized car sales for 2013 will be around 16 million. 2% is 320,000.
PHEV and EV sales:
2013: 86,182 (through November). Full year will come in at nearly 30% of the 20 year EV estimate you cited.
Even if the sales growth rate slows and assuming the report specifically excluded PHEVs, it's still hard to see how the 2% in 20 year projection isn't terribly low.
Right on the NHTSA homepage:
"December 20: 63 Maserati Quattroporte GTS V8 vehicles from 2014, Recalled for a battery cable that may short, which could cause a fire or stall the engine."
What was that about Teslas and fires, it's mostly older cars and car fires,...?
By the time the Model E comes out, Tesla will presumably have only 3 models. With that, no haggling and the ability to order online, which is far simpler because of the aforementioned reasons, the number of cars Tesla can sell per employee, per square foot, per whatever metric you want to use will be far higher than the current big car companies. If they need to add more locations they will and opening a Tesla store takes far less time and is far less expensive than a traditional dealership or even a used car lot. That said, Tesla IS selling cars online and expanding that workforce is even quicker and less expensive than opening a store.
"...how in the world is Tesla going to attract the majority of car buyers selling everything at full sticker? No way. No chance."
If, as is the case now, Tesla has no competition, it will likely price the car at a level that keeps demand just ahead of supply. Call it full sticker if you want but this is more fair than the price games dealers play in general let alone the markups on hot cars. The less sophisticated customer pays more while the more sophisticated has to spend the time to negotiate with multiple dealers. That is, assuming the dealers don't collude to set prices on limited supply vehicles.
What if Tesla does have competition? IMO it'll be many years before there are enough EVs of the Model S, X or E's caliber to meet demand so there won't be any need for one car company to try to undercut another.
That's how Tesla will sell everything at "full sticker", which for most traditional car buyers means "you paid too much".
Is it every 50 or 100 points that tsla goes up that you guys appear to make the same pronouncements?