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kbodie77777 1182 posts  |  Last Activity: 10 hours ago Member since: Apr 13, 2012
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  • No deal announced despite all the rumors that were flying around just before tesla offered $2 billion of debt to the market.

    Gosh ... this really sounds like a scam.

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    Toyota and Tesla

    by cadbarley 15 hours ago
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 10 hours ago Flag

    ((( This makes a lot of sense for Toyota to buy Tesla ))

    Has Toyota ever purchased another car company... ever?

    Tesla is losing money supplying parts to Toyota and Daimler. Why would either of these companies want to assume these losses? Right now Toyota's electric cars are not selling, it's not like the Tesla technology has strategic value.

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    Myth dispelled = not enough cobalt

    by futurecartsla Apr 18, 2014 12:37 AM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 10 hours ago Flag

    (( Elon believes I have no doubt about that. Problem is Jim Jones also had a strong belief )))

    A little bit extreme but Elon's 'how can anyone argue against" spiel is garbage.

    Tesla has been in business for ten years. When is it going to start making money?

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    Elon's cross country trip === Epic fail

    by kbodie77777 Apr 13, 2014 9:40 PM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 10 hours ago Flag

    (( Cross country part 1 is on youtube
    What happened to part 2 and part 3 that was promised? )))

    Tesla sent *** three *** model S car on a road trip from California to New York and none of them made it.

    The reason the trip was aborted was because the cars are electric.

  • kbodie77777 kbodie77777 10 hours ago Flag

    What are the chances of the Model X launching in 2013 as promised ?

  • kbodie77777 kbodie77777 10 hours ago Flag

    ((( They need some sort of gear system for high speed driving. ))

    This video is devastating to the notion that EVs are just as capable as ICE powered cars.

    Consumer Reports has recently backed away from the Tesla car a bit and warned readers that the car was not as capable as an gas powered car.

  • (((( •In the “Age of Solar 2,” the industry is forecast to grow more than 1000 fold in this century, and in the process, generate over 200 million jobs. ))))

    This is pure hype meant to cheat you out of your money.

    Think. Use your brain. If solar energy needs 200,000,000 full time employees then is cannot compete with oil, coal, natural gas, nuclear, hydro, or other forms of energy.

  • kbodie77777 kbodie77777 11 hours ago Flag

    Interesting video. At sped the cars battery was drained 33% in about one minute.

    What is not know is how discharging the battery so rapidly will effect it's life. Driving at 120 doesn't hurt a gasoline powered car. But rapid discharging can hurt batteries.

  • kbodie77777 kbodie77777 22 hours ago Flag

    Daimler is a profitable car company.

    Tesla is in entirely different business all together.

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    One driver has ruined 5 drivetrains.

    by tslamaniac Apr 19, 2014 1:21 PM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 6:59 PM Flag

    ((( Tesla Motors, Inc. (TSLA - Analyst Report) will receive lower zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) credits for its Model S cars from California as the state has altered its zero-emission vehicle program. California's Air Resources Board revealed that the company will receive only 4 ZEV credits per Model S sold in California and some other states, compared with 7 credits received last year.)))

    That's about a $60,000,000 hit to the bottom line.

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    One driver has ruined 5 drivetrains.

    by tslamaniac Apr 19, 2014 1:21 PM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 3:13 PM Flag

    (( They are losing money on every car sold without even taking into account the cost of repairs on a product )))

    That would be illegal and an auditor would reject this IMO.

    They have to reserve money for repairs. They can assume $5,000 per unit sold or they can assume $20,000 but they have to make an attempt to estimate the amount they will need to honor the warranty (*) and set it aside as a liability.

    (*) In the case of Tesla they should also be setting aside money to run the free super chargers, to repurchase the "lease" cars, and to fund all of the other long term promises they have made.

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    One driver has ruined 5 drivetrains.

    by tslamaniac Apr 19, 2014 1:21 PM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 2:52 PM Flag

    This guy is not bashing Tesla, he's defending them:

    Pungoteague_Dave | March 10, 2014
    (( To answer the question, both S and P models have had the dreaded hum issue. My S had its drive train replaced at about 11k miles and has been silent since. I was told at the time that the inverter/motor assembly has been under continual development and that my car was getting the latest, newest version (as of November - one must assume there's a better version out now). )))

    My spin: Tesla is treating these consumers well and replacing the entire drive trains but who is paying for this?

    Bigger question: Were these enormous repairs expected and has Tesla set aside money to cover them. If not then the auditors might force Tesla to do so and this will hurt the bottom line.

  • kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 1:53 PM Flag

    ((( The funny thing is, shorts say about this SC station idea.."oh, it will never work." )))

    The Super Charger concept is an awesome idea if you are a consumer. In theory you will never have to pay for fuel again, just go to a nearby SC and fill up. Everyone loves free stuff.

    Q.) How does this help Tesla?


    .

  • ((( U.S.-based Fisker Automotive, which has been acquired by China's largest auto parts company )))

    Is this the making of an electric Rolls Royce ?

    Wanxiang Group is a massive company that has BILLIONS in recurring profitable sales and it now owns a niche market vehicle (poses no threat to it's customers). Owning Fisker provides Wanxiang Group with a conspicuous product to carry its corporate image.

    Even if this is an actual attempt to make a profit it could hurt Tesla. Wanxiang Group only paid $25 million net for Fisker, that drastically lowers their costs. Plus the Fisker cars represent another example of a large corporation willing to offer an electric drive product to the public. Wanxiang Group has deep pockets to pursue this side project while Tesla is taking on more and more debt.

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    Curse those LAWS OF PHYSICS!

    by keefwotgetsaround Apr 18, 2014 5:24 AM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 12:27 PM Flag

    Thanks again you have nailed this 100% IMO.

    As for ((( there is a technical definition of 'exponential' which says that the exponent is actually a variable )))

    I looked it up.
    ((( ex·po·nen·tial (ĕk′spə-nĕn′shəl) adj. 1. Of or relating to an exponent ))

    The term "X squared" is an exponential term. X is the base and 2 is the exponent. When you say something increases exponentially you are saying it doesn't increase linearly and you usually mean it increases at a greater rate than it would if the increase were linear. Anything that has an exponent is exponential. Keefer was 100% correct when he said wind resistance increases exponentially.

    Have a great day and a great Easter,

    PS: More examples from various websites:

    (( There are two main reasons why you are not travelling with 100 km/h when you are riding on your bike. One of these is rolling resistance, but the other by far the biggest factor, is the drag you are experiencing due to the wind resistance. This force increases exponentially with your speed, where ))

    ((What makes it so devilish is that it actually gets greater the faster you travel. It is almost like the wind is penalizing those who are the fastest the most. Not only does it increase with speed, but it increases exponentially! ))

    (( They would have close to the same top speed. Car B would be a little faster due to less internal friction (rolling, bearing, etc). Rolling friction is the main force slowing a car down at low speeds, but air resistance grows exponentially with speed. )))

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    The Model X...coming real soon!

    by keefwotgetsaround Apr 19, 2014 11:02 AM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 12:10 PM Flag

    Keefer,
    You bring out some good points.

    1.) One of the shortcomings of an ICE engine is the torque curve. The torque builds as RPM rise and then reach a max, from their the torques starts to fall off #$%$ RPM increase. The ideal situation for performance would be to run the engine at the peak of the torque curve. This could be done with a constantly variable transmission, the engine would run at a fixed RPM and the acceleration is achieved by varying the drive ratio.
    . A six speed auto tends to approximate this ideal better than a 4 speed or a three speed. The effect is that the car feels like it has a bigger engine because the engine is always at or near it's maximum torque RPM. The automaker can supply a smaller (more efficient) engine and the consumer is happy with the performance.

    2.) Tesla does the exact same thing. An electric motor's natural torque curve is basically a straight line that starts out at max torque at zero RPM and declines as RPMs go up. This is just about useless for a motor vehicle. The car rip the tires to shreds trying to get moving and then have no power at speed.

    So Tesla (and other EV makers) have followed GM's lead and use an AC motor controller. This is a fairly sophisticated , expensive, item that uses so much energy that it needs to be water cooled.

    In both cases the laws of diminishing returns applies. The cost of a 20 speed transmission in a automobile would outweigh the benefits. IMO a 9 speed is probably marketing more than practical benefit.

    In the case of an EVs the need for a reasonable range means a heavier battery, which means a larger motor and larger controller which adds costs and weight and reduces performance. Thus the need for an even larger battery and controller. At some point increasing the battery size stops helping.

    Final result: Using the very favorable EPA estimates it costs $10,000 to gain 57 miles of range in a Tesla cars (60 versus 85 KwHr models).

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    Curse those LAWS OF PHYSICS!

    by keefwotgetsaround Apr 18, 2014 5:24 AM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 9:54 AM Flag

    Have a good day.

  • kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 9:53 AM Flag

    (( The Terdsla has enough juice to go FIFTY KILOMETRES!!!! ))

    Review Elon's latest family road treat:

    Drive a few miles. Stop and recharge, Eat hot dogs and continued on their way. Drove a few more miles stopped and recharged and got more dogs ....finally reached South Dakota, so sick of driving a Tesla car that he drove straight into a blizzard (even with his family inside the car) just to have an excuse to hop the nearest freaking airplane to get away from the Tesla car experience.

    At $80,000 it's really just a commuter car with abundant range for that task. Some of the people buying these things are fed up and dumping the cars on Ebay with only 5,000 miles on them.

    If I owned a business and could write the thing off I might buy one just to get the HOV lane passes if I livedin California. But this is the absolute LAST car I would use on a road trip.

  • Reply to

    Curse those LAWS OF PHYSICS!

    by keefwotgetsaround Apr 18, 2014 5:24 AM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 9:40 AM Flag

    ((( Now can we get back to that TERDSLA BLOCKING THE AUTOBAHN? ))

    My answer: Because it can only go about 130 MPH and even at that relatively slow speed it would run out of juice very quickly.

    The rite answer: Everyone is a dunce.


    BTW the rite way to spell rite is "rite." I have a PHd in spelling and if you question me I will call you a dunce.

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    Tesla Range ======= the sad truth

    by kbodie77777 Apr 18, 2014 11:39 AM
    kbodie77777 kbodie77777 Apr 19, 2014 8:44 AM Flag

    (( What do you think the range would be if the driver drank a quart of gasoline before setting out? ))

    Another brilliant argument from a Tesla supporter.

    Obviously the 40,000,000 ICE powered cars that humans purchase every year are inferior to EVs and you have proven it because if the drivers of the ICE powered cars guzzle gasoline they will die.

    That is perfect logic. You win the argument again.

    Have a nice day.

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