"Regarding nuclear, I guess you haven't been reading past the first sentence on the articles I have linked recently either."
I don't really care what you link in your fiction filled comments regarding fixes to nuclear waste problems. Where is the fix TODAY Mr. BS? There isn't any, hasn't been, and until every bit of waste stored today is stored safely or neutered, there should be zero interest in nuclear power. Your favorite form of power lied in the 1950's when a solution to nuclear waste was just a few years away, a decade later they lied again, and there wasn't a solution. Billions have been spent at Hanford and it is still not clean and fixed. A big hole was dug in Nevada as a "solution." Is it solved yet? Face it....there is no such thing as clean nuclear power, as the waste makes it poisonous. Had you invested your life savings in Fukushima prefecture, you would be doing flip flops for hot cakes on skid road. Maybe they should ship all their waste from Fukushima to Barbershores in New Hampshire and you can tell us how the waste problem is solved. And to think you are worried about solar battery waste when they are worn out.
"The Sky,NY and LA are logical."
Nothing logical at all about them to a blind man from birth Mr. lake. One would have to have faith in your explanation of them never knowing if they are real, because they are unseen? How is the sky real to a blind man who has never seen anything looking up except darkness??? vps has far more logic than you. As I explained to you long ago, God reveals himself to those who seek him. You don't seek him, so I doubt there will be a revelation to you, so much of what you say is just why I expect to see you say and thus you are fulfilling old prophecy perfectly. This strengthens my faith even more. Have a blessed Pentecost celebration Sunday.
A blind man, blind from birth has no idea that there is sky, New York, Los Angeles, either, but he/she believes and has faith there is sky and those cities. Because something is not visible, does not mean it doesn't exist. Get over it....or better yet, get into it.
If a person believes in what the bible has to say, nowhere does it say the earth is only 6000 years. It states in Genesis.."In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep,." PERIOD. There is no time explanation from that point to the "first day." Remember, the stars weren't even put in the heavens until the "fourth day." Besides, scripture tells us that a "day is as a thousand years" to the Lord. Ten billion years could have gone by from the time God created the heavens and the earth to the time that man was created " from the dust of the ground and God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. " Because somebody else says that the days are as we name them, and the "entire" creation took place in six calendar days as we know them, doesn't make it valid...only an interpretation.
"What IS there is "no workee, no eatee", and "support for widows of good repute"."
There is far more than your statement above. The no workee, no eatee was attributed to Paul, by Luke in 2Thess 3:10, a rebuke to other believers who were lazy. Now, I will inundate you with some real instruction far more than your sole claim of "support for widows of good repute.". Enjoy. Show me the no workee, no eatee in these please!
"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works"
Any widows there ? How about here?
Matt: 25:35 or here? 1 John 3:17-18
or here? Gal 6-2 or OT Is:58-10
As far as Mary Baker Glover, Patterson, Eddy...her theology started and ended in Genesis where God "saw that it was good." However, like all people are, she was her own theologian.
buster....you need some real help. If you were dumping a gallon of crude oil, you may have a legitimate argument, except that I haven't found a car battery that held a gallon of acid/water. Still, the battery acid would break down quicker with less problems. However, most people don't have crude oil, they have refined oil in the forms of gasoline, diesel, and other grades. These can be particularly difficult to break down in the environment and cause long term degradation effects.
"At time of pentecost? Yes; I said as much.. But later, or more generally, no?"
I capitalized Church. The Church didn't change, the church (religion) changed and the 'common purse' tended to disappear. You can read below from twelvetribesDOTKOM/articles/common-purse-gospel
"The gospel they received was a gospel that actually required utter surrender. They had received the call to love to the fullest, which meant total devotion in service to God. This was non-negotiable. It was the call out of complacency, the call to give Him all of your heart (ambitions and desires), all of your soul (thoughts and opinions), and all of your strength (your physical being and all of your resources). The gospel they received made no allowance for them to retain sovereignty over their finances, and this was the same gospel they preached to others. It was not that the apostles demanded all pocket change to be handed over to a central fund for equal distribution, but true love compels one to make all that he has available for the good of others.1"
"The ONLY "welfare" system that was affirmed by apostolic tradition was that which was provided to widows over the age of 60 "
Wrong! Gleaning continued from originally spoken of in Leviticus through the early apostles as they didn't toss the law entirely, if they were landowners or farmers.
No one is sure whether Peter killed Annanias and subsequently his wife or if it was God. What I was driving at was that Ananias and his wife sold property and were giving some to the "movement." Greed (capitalism) however, the "love of money", ruled their heart.
Without "love of money or greed" capitalism wouldn't exist.
To a certain extent, I agree with you mr. rails regarding Reagan. I think he was highly over rated and I am surprised the right wing holds him up as the fulfillment of the republican messiah. Let's look at what he actually did. He increased debt heavily compared to Carter and did so with no war other than his folly to rescue a few college students in Grenada..flexing muscles. He is noted as a great conservative, but that was only with HIS money. Let's face it...as governor of California he presided over a state budget that increased 250% under his tenure averaging well over 25% per year. He closed state hospitals and turned the mentally ill loose on the sidewalks where we now step over them to enter a store. When the marine barracks were bombed in Lebanon, he immediately withdrew American troops. (Imagine if Obama had done that...) It was Paul Volker who fixed the economy by raising interest rates so high during Carter's administration that speculation was curtailed and inflation slowed. It had nothing to do with Reagan. Inflation came before Carter..Remember Nixon/Ford WIN pins and price controls? (whip inflation now). Reagan traded arms for hostages in Iran. He really wasn't much of a president, but then acting doesn't mean you can really perform the role.
Capitalism has as its foundation greed...or in other words...love of money. That is what drives it...nothing else. Your statements regarding the early church is just wrong. Scripture tells us two things. If you believe in Christ's teachings, then you should believe that "the love of money is the root of all evil." The early disciples had a "common purse," something that can't exist in capitalism, as capitalism is about individual ownership or combined ownership whose sole purpose is to get more and more and more. The early Church did indeed practice socialism. Remember what happened to Ananias? The common purse was spoken of and each would get according to their "needs." (not necessarily wants). Capitalism is about wants and wanting more. You are correct in stating that Paul said one should not eat if one chooses not to work, but that has nothing to do with capitalism. Paul did not spout that tent makers should cause shortages, horde product to raise prices, lobby to force governments to buy from them, have board meetings to figure out how to put other tent makers out of business in order to get more of the market share....None of that is in scripture or Christian teachings, but it is the foundation of capitalism. I think maybe the last sentence of your post should have been self directed.
It is too difficult to correlate things with the minimum wage. I don't know what % of hourly workers in the 1930's worked at minimum wage vs today. I can say this. I worked for minimum wage when young and it started as low as $1/hr and when I left that job it was at $1.25. During that time, I could buy gasoline for my 1941 Buick for 17.9/gal. In other words, I could get 5.5 gal/gas for 1 hr worked, and somebody pumped my gas, checked the oil and washed my windows. Today, minimum wage workers might get $2/gal and their productivity has vastly increased as they work with computers now. I could buy all the bread I wanted for $.20/loaf and milk was $.20/quart, my parent's house cost $14K at the beach in southern Calif. That same house today sold several years ago for 1.2 million dollars. In other words, it took 14K hours at minimum wage then to buy that house and today it would take 160K hours of minimum wage work to have bought that same house which was much older and used. Minimum wage workers have fallen far far far behind with their buying power over the years, while executives and corporate golf course meeting folks have taken all the money.
" However when I sin I am still a Christian just one in need of forgiveness and grace but still a Christian."
Yes, but if you don't feel what you are doing is a sin, then isn't it a bit hard to repent? Jesus did say that he was the vine and we are the branches and that IF we remain in him, then certain things happen. I agree that we all sin, but when Jesus says to love your neighbor, pray for those who persecute you, and turn your cheek, he doesn't say "except when you think it should be different." If you deliberately go against his teachings, it isn't like you are remaining a connected branch. He never asks our opinion Rogere. He only asks our obedience, and because his kingdom is "not of this world", we are now freed to live for his kingdom as slaves bought by his blood. We should know who the "ruler of this world" is, and we can see the results of it any time we want to look. I will agree with lake in that the 30 years was about Jesus, because it showed the result of not remaining connected to the vine. It was the result of disobedience to the teachings of Jesus instead of obedience. It still remains so.
"My response was to point out the inconsistency of your position regarding electricity vs. other areas where there is regulated monopoly... rail, cable, etc. and "necessary" services such as food, clothing, and shelter. Why cherry pick electricity. You still haven't addressed this."
Well, in my case here, I have a choice with cable...not a monopoly. I can have dish network, Direct TV, Comcast, as well as Verizon for TV or internet, as well as over the air TV. I told you, before, but apparently you skirt the issue. I have ONE, I repeat ONE utility company from which I can buy electricity. I have several cell phone providers I can choose from. Perhaps this article below might help you with a little insight as to my positions. If you don't like that article, respond to them.
"You seriously believe there is no price gouging in government run services such as education, highway maintenance, etc. etc?"
Can you please list the number of private colleges that charge less than public institutions? I am waiting. Want to have a contest? Highway maintenance in many if not most areas is done by private companies putting in bids to government entities. There may or may not be county/state employees filling potholes somewhere but the vast majority are done by private companies who collude with other private companies to overbid, get contracts, have cost overrides and have access to the treasury in doing so. Apparently, you love this sort of operation.
"Yes, it's a monopoly. Yes, it's a single landlord. But the arrangement is not even remotely close to the landlord dominated disaster that you seem to have concluded is the only possible outcome."
Not sure what you are trying to get at here semp, but so far you have failed to counter my argument that PUD's generally have lower rates on electricity, providing the same services as private companies, and yet do it for a lower cost. In other words, you lose with your private only system. At least I listed some examples, but you have failed to do so.
"Lake could you show me a post where a Christian on this board has said that Christians did not kill Christians?"
If it isn't on the board, I will be glad to say it Rogere, but only if you agree with me that a Christian is one who adheres and believes the teachings of Christ. Remember, there was no cases documented or spoken of in the very early church of a disciple or follower of Christ, occasionally referred to as Christians, taking another's life. Once "religion" entered the foray, and governments started calling people Christian, only becaused they believed in Jesus as a Messiah but chose to ignore his commandments, then yes those CINO's were involved in wars and carnage upon their fellow man.
Actually, I would prefer her to HC, but I truly believe Bernie Sanders would be the best of the lot I have seen from either party. Both Sanders and Warren at least want to curb in the problems that caused the economic collapse of too big to fail and power of Wall St. When the top 85 richest folks in the world have more assets than the bottom 3 billion, then yes, that is very very dangerous and bad wealth distribution. It seems like those running from the right would prefer to change that ratio, but unfortunately, they prefer to change it to the top 50 would have greater wealth than the bottom 3 billion. The republican party is doing everything to kill Dodd/Frank and give banks/brokerage firms even more power to create credit default swaps and take the world's economies down again so they can take all of everyone's IRA's and savings except their own.
The problem now is that George Bush, #$%$ Cheney and Wolfowitz, along with Rumsfeld when push comes to shove are the ones responsible for inventing ISIS that is now a plague. There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq when Bush entered. If there was, it amounted to a handful of them in the far north where Saddam was prohibited from going. Now...Most of Iraq is made up of ISIS followers that are a direct result of Bush and the right wing's desire to go into Iraq and invade somebody else's homeland. Obama inherited a moving bus that had already gone over the cliff. His attempts to get the bus back on the cliff was futile from the get go in Iraq. To try and blame Obama for the middle east problems is ridiculous. The invasion of Iraq took place under false pretenses with people who had lots of false hope but no reality check. Remember how Iraq was going to pay for the whole thing with oil money? Rumsfeld should be jailed along with Cheney and Haliburton executives. All those sleazeballs belong to the Carlysle Group which is scary to say the very least. They live off of defense contracts.
What I recommended and perhaps you didn't approve, was that utilities should be governmental run and many times PUD's are the answer. As I said before, I have ONE choice of utility or go on my own entirely. You may not consider that a monopoly, but it becomes a monopoly when the rate setting agency is so controlled politically it consists of former employees of the one utility company. It is similar to the disability pensions granted for police/fireman in Portland, where those who decide who gets the pension are already disabled fire/policemen. RIgged game. If you look you will see that Los Angeles Dept. of Water and Power rates are bout 25% lower than rates provided by privately owned Southern California Edison. There are countless food stores and countless individually owned homes/rentals, etc. It isn't a single landlord system, so there is some choice which helps curtail price gouging which apparently you favor. Electricity is no longer a luxury for most people, but a necessity. There are also countless farms and each farm isn't the only game in town.