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kenberthiaume123 3 posts  |  Last Activity: Feb 25, 2014 3:05 PM Member since: May 1, 2011
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    heavy manipulation going on....

    by reinderfeenstra Feb 25, 2014 10:55 AM
    kenberthiaume123 kenberthiaume123 Feb 25, 2014 3:05 PM Flag

    sure but shorting isn't "manipulation". They can short all they want, but it's a stupid thing to do if the earnings are going to be good. They know the earnings will be good so they're shorting. Somehow that doesn't make sense. They have to cover to make a profit and from whom do they buy shares?

    Some people act like manipulators can push a price to a certain point and then just say "I'll buy 20 million shares there"...since they are the only ones selling, there'd be no one to buy from.

  • Slam them against the wall then drag them inside and throw them on the bed for a manhandling! Shareholders will blame the shorts for their ravishing.

  • kenberthiaume123 kenberthiaume123 Jan 24, 2014 12:31 PM Flag

    analysts aren't really looking at the short term. Short term prices are good and VALE makes huge money.

    Longer term supply is going to overwhelm demand and prices plunge as there is a price war. Profits go to zero or negative.

    That's what they're saying. I'm long the stock too, don't think prices will fall that much as there are only 3 large companies making iron ore, I believe. Hopefully they'll cut back if prices fall below $100.

    But if prices go to $80 as GS says, then VALE loses out on about $40 a ton times a couple hundred million tons...that means earnings get cut in half from here. And the dividend too.

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