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kidshelleen51 24 posts  |  Last Activity: Jul 30, 2015 5:05 PM Member since: Jul 30, 2010
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    Next $14.20, $14.40 and $14.60

    by lachu1974 Apr 15, 2015 10:52 AM kidshelleen51 May 7, 2015 8:59 AM Flag

    You don't compare the BV of Facebook to a REIT. The revenue potential of FB has absolutely nothing to do with its BV while it is everything to a REIT. FB would never launch an SPO based upon its BV. By the way, after the last earnings announcement ORC BV dropped to $12.87.

  • kidshelleen51 May 11, 2015 12:29 PM Flag

    Hey idiot boy, long before Clinton was elected president papers like the Wall Street Journal were saying the next pres was going to be lucky because we were just coming out of recession. And I suppose the phenomenal growth in the 90's was because of Clinton and not because of companies like Microsoft, Oracle, Google, Intel, and everyone in Silicon Valley. What a douche!

  • kidshelleen51 May 12, 2015 2:05 PM Flag

    Surveys are always on a small number of the population. A small number of dr/pts doesn't make it a flawed study.

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    You're all fools...

    by mfme1063 May 30, 2015 5:47 PM kidshelleen51 Jun 1, 2015 7:54 AM Flag

    If it was as simple as growth and earnings then stocks like Amazon would be in the single digits. Let me give you an investment lesson. Stocks don't trade on current earnings, they trade on future growth and potential. Tesla is up 10 fold in 5 years and is bleeding red ink and a penultimate example of how wrong your thinking can be. Your bet is that ACAD will never get approved. Our bet is that even if the current mgmt team is a bunch of clowns they have a blockbuster on their hands and, worst case, they could sell it for many dollars more than the current evaluation. Only time will prove one of us right. In the meantime shut the hell up because your constant crying is annoying and has you on the edge of Ignore.

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    GABUX at or near a 5 year

    by bygyyfgjdjudjv Jun 9, 2015 10:50 PM kidshelleen51 Jun 14, 2015 7:47 AM Flag

    Half of all oil consumption is used for manufacturing, including that Tesla. Never buy anything made of rubber, plastic, steel....etc and maybe then you could say you'll never need fossil fuels.

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    Posters on the LNCO Board

    by alibachi234 May 29, 2015 8:41 AM kidshelleen51 Jun 14, 2015 1:36 PM Flag

    It's no more pathetic than shorts crying that the sky is falling. Face it, 95% of the drivel spouted on these msg boards is pathetic.

  • kidshelleen51 Jun 16, 2015 7:35 AM Flag

    You're an uninformed idiot about fracking that has bought into all the hysteria and ignored the science. As for earthquakes, 100 years is a mere pittance of time and unworthy of discussion. The world has always had earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunami's, and natural disasters. It's only been in the last 100 years that populations and science has grown enough to notice/record them all.

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    Are you watching the size of these bids.

    by holdenb75 Jun 17, 2015 11:45 PM kidshelleen51 Jun 19, 2015 7:51 AM Flag

    Historically these funds have always dropped back to 3-5% premium for a time before heading back up towards 10%. Anything above 7-8% should have been considered extremely risky. The last couple of years have been unusual in that the premium stayed very high, probably people chasing yield. Now all you are seeing is a normal fall back to a more reasonable level. I bailed a bit early two years ago because of those high premiums but anyone that thought 13-18% was sustainable deserves to get slaughtered here.

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    by jonherschler Jun 19, 2015 2:57 PM kidshelleen51 Jun 19, 2015 7:53 PM Flag

    It may also be related to the influx of cash going into ETF's like SBIO.

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    What happened today, I was out?

    by jacal55525 Jun 29, 2015 6:16 PM kidshelleen51 Jun 30, 2015 1:45 PM Flag

    Jacal. all you had to do was pull up a 5 year comparison chart between this fund and its NAV and you would see that it is quite common for the premium to disappear for a very short time. The last 2 years have been an exceptional period but this is not surprising.

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    Message From Zacks

    by avebb90 Jul 11, 2015 6:20 AM kidshelleen51 Jul 11, 2015 8:00 AM Flag

    One of the problems with Zacks is that their ratings can and do change every day. I have a portfolio set up with them and the daily updates are crazy, from a 3 to a 2 to a 3 to a 4, all within a one week span. They may think a company is great but if the stock goes down then they immediately start lowering their rating. And if the stock rallies then they suddenly like it again. Not trying to discourage you but Zack's ratings have no consistency and shouldn't be relied on for much of anything.

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    It's Been A Long Time...

    by jerrymathers Jul 10, 2015 5:14 PM kidshelleen51 Jul 11, 2015 8:02 AM Flag

    Consider the refiners. As the price of oil drops the refiners get the benefit and have been doing okay in this market.

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    ok, I'm in for next week...

    by arthur_ponzirelli Jul 10, 2015 10:12 AM kidshelleen51 Jul 12, 2015 8:48 AM Flag

    I took a different route and sold July 35 Puts. If we get any kind of a bounce this week I'm out. If not, then I own it for roughly $31.50, which I can live with.

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    what the hell......

    by gigliotime Jul 10, 2015 2:45 PM kidshelleen51 Jul 12, 2015 10:42 AM Flag

    Foolish question regarding average returns over the next decade. Anyone that thinks like that is asking to be burned. Even if you buy and hold you should be constantly reevaluating your holdings. I held NCV/NCZ for years from the 5's into the 9's and got out when the premiums got too high. GABUX, ORC and PSEC were all great investments for awhile until they began to rot away. The better question to ask yourself is why didn't you see the writing on the wall and bail out before NCV/NCZ dropped so precipitously? Another good question to ask yourself is why do you believe it will turn around anytime soon? There are better and safer places for your money right now. Until that changes there is no reason to buy or even hold here.

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    Down in UP market??

    by caym782 Jul 13, 2015 6:43 PM kidshelleen51 Jul 13, 2015 9:47 PM Flag

    What if you had a brain? Nah, not much chance of that.

  • kidshelleen51 Jul 16, 2015 9:03 AM Flag

    Can't fault you for getting out after such a beating. But don't look to option trading as a crystal ball into the future. Option traders get it wrong as often as stock traders do, sometimes more so.

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    where are the pumpers!!! in hiding

    by yellowfintunafish Jul 17, 2015 10:13 AM kidshelleen51 Jul 18, 2015 8:23 AM Flag

    The stock is up $4 in a week and you write garbage like this? What is wrong with you? The Kardashian's must be in rerun mode and you have time on your hands.

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    Seeking Alpha Article

    by rwilcox41 Jul 10, 2015 3:41 PM kidshelleen51 Jul 21, 2015 8:09 AM Flag

    You sound bitter, eating huge losses can do that to you. I have rarely posted here since I sold 18 months or so ago, but my posts have been consistent. When these funds got to premiums exceeding 8% they got expensive, dangerously so when the premiums exceeded double digits. An historical review would have shown you that the premiums tended to disappear during every market pullback. The last two years have been an exception, but inevitably the chickens have come home to roost. You didn't have to be in the industry to see this coming, but console yourself with that idiocy if you must..

  • kidshelleen51 Jul 23, 2015 8:00 AM Flag

    If your asking about my assertion that option traders get it wrong, there are studies all over the place that show 75% of options expire worthless. For Puts it runs over 80%. Countless "experts" are out there selling programs that supposedly will show us how to trade options profitably, they wouldn't do that if there wasn't a market. Just follow any of the fast trader guys on CNBC and see how often the fast money gets it wrong. Most option strategies count on one big score to make up for many smaller losses. Don't get me wrong, I trade options. But the assertion that option trading is some crystal ball into the future of the stock price can get you into trouble. It works until it doesn't.

  • kidshelleen51 Jul 23, 2015 10:07 AM Flag

    Would love to see 60, but why should we expect it? Realistically, this quick $10 run up is on no news. Hence, the only explanation is the anticipation of the NDA. I can't see it moving much higher now until the announcement. If anything,as time goes on without any news, it might start to slip. Understand that I'm long and plan on staying here, I just can't see any reason for it to go higher now.

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