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kz7m 3 posts  |  Last Activity: Apr 12, 2016 12:00 AM Member since: Sep 25, 2004
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  • Tesla Motors may take a creative approach to address concerns Model 3 buyers have about the federal tax credit disappearing.

    While the $7,500 federal tax credit on the Model 3 would potentially bring the $35,000 starting price down to an effective $27,500, it is on course to be phasing out by the time these electric cars show up for delivery starting as soon as late 2017.

    This is because Tesla will likely be reaching the federal tax cap of 200,000 cars through its Model S and Model X deliveries by the time the Model 3 is ready to roll out.

    Tesla owners have been concerned enough about the disappearing incentive to question Tesla CEO Elon Musk on his Twitter page – and to suggest a solution.

    A few Tesla customers and analysts have noticed a bit of a loophole in the IRS rules for the credit, The $7,500 credit isn’t cut until the end of the quarter after the one in which a company hits its limit of 200,000 cars delivered in the U.S. Tesla could extend that time period by reaching the limit on the first day of a quarter then deliver Model 3s over the next six months before the credit begins to disappear.

    SEE ALSO: Tesla To Partially Show Model 3 Next Month – Federal Tax Credits For It Could Be Quite Limited

    Tesla may be willing to support this solution, Musk tweeted.

    “We always try to maximize customer happiness even if that means a revenue shortfall in a quarter,” Musk replied to comments in an April 3 post on Twitter.

    When asked whether he thinks Model S and Model X tax incentives will exhaust the remaining credits, Musk posted a vague response. “Our production ramp plan should enable large numbers of [new customers] to receive the credit,” Musk wrote.

    Analysts are watching to see whether the federal tax credit will raise the bar on the automaker that has struggled in the past to deliver products on time.

    The federal tax policy has been structured so that once an automaker sells 200,000 qualifying electric vehicles in the U.S. market, a phase-out begins. Once that 200,000 unit sale mark is reached, the IRS cuts the tax credit in half for the next two quarters to a maximum of $3,750. Then the IRS slashes the tax credit in half again for another two quarters – after which the credit goes away. Auto industry analysts expect Tesla to cross the 200,000 threshold as soon as 2018, once deliveries of the Model 3 begin.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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    New Model 3 battery

    by kz7m Apr 8, 2016 10:14 AM
    kz7m kz7m Apr 8, 2016 10:18 AM Flag

    Solid Energy Systems is developing "Anode-less" battery designs with ultra-thin metal anode improves the cell-level energy density by 50% compared to graphite anodes and 30% compared to silicon-composite anodes.

    It would be a new kind of lithium-ion battery that could let portable electronics such as smartphones and smart watches last twice as long between charges.

    The secret to boosting energy storage lies in swapping the conventional electrode material—graphite—for a thin sheet of lithium-metal foil, which can store more lithium ions.

    Battery makers have been trying to use lithium-metal electrodes in batteries for decades, with only limited success. SolidEnergy seems to have solved a couple of key problems, which have caused such batteries to either stop working after a few charges or burst into flames

    SolidEnergy’s solution is to use both a solid electrolyte and a liquid one. The solid electrolyte is applied to the lithium-metal foil—the ions don’t have far to travel through this thin material, so it doesn’t matter that they’re moving relatively slowly.

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

  • Model 3 batteries with 10% silicon anodes for higher energy density and lower cost

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    Sanford C. Bernstein’s Mark Newman wrote to his clients on March 31 describing a significant advance in battery technology that would make the Model 3’s batteries far more energetic and cheaper than anything else on the market.

    Telsa's Model 3 batteries, made by Panasonic, start with a negative electrode—an anode—made up of 10% silicon

    A large part of the battery research field has been focused on creating a working silicon anode because the resulting battery would be significantly more powerful. Graphite anodes, the current standard, store one lithium atom for every six carbon atoms (lithium being the energy in a battery). The more lithium, the more energy. But silicon anodes can store up to 4.4 lithium atoms for every silicon atom.

    Fortune discussed the usage of more silicon in the battery anode earlier in 2015.

    The 10% silicon provides a 30% boost in energy density.

    The trouble with it, though, has always been swelling. When you use silicon, and start charging and discharging, the anode swells, eventually causing the battery to self-destruct.


    Model 3 batteries with 10% silicon anodes for higher energy density and lower cost

    batteries, elon musk, materials

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    Sanford C. Bernstein’s Mark Newman wrote to his clients on March 31 describing a significant advance in battery technology that would make the Model 3’s batteries far more energetic and cheaper than anything else on the market.

    Telsa's Model 3 batteries, made by Panasonic, start with a negative electrode—an anode—made up of 10% silicon

    A large part of the battery research field has been focused on creating a working silicon anode because the resulting battery would be significantly more powerful. Graphite anodes, the current standard, store on

    Sentiment: Strong Buy

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