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lenloc 11 posts  |  Last Activity: Mar 20, 2016 2:59 AM Member since: Mar 28, 2002
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  • lenloc lenloc Mar 20, 2016 2:59 AM Flag

    OK U were correct but is it return of capital?

  • lenloc lenloc Mar 17, 2016 11:12 AM Flag

    The point is that it may be easy to see a storm coming and sell before it hits. The tough part is the 2nd leg i.e when to get back in. It has to be lower than when one sells after paying gain taxes else nothing is gained. Worse is loss of div income. Most of my divs are qualified capped at 15% tax rate or thereabouts. Very high div stocks like MREITS with unqualified divs are all in my Roth with no tax. They form about 4% of my total portfolio but about 15% of my total divs (substantial). To lose my sole (qualified) income stream (Divs) and pay much higher tax rate on lower interest income stream to boot is daunting. Fortunately I don't have to sell stock to pay bills. The unspent divs get ploughed back in more stock so if they are lower in price so much the better as long as the divs are not cut (a risk in MREITS but not much in the remaining 96%). So its not stock price fall but div cut which matters to me. In fact my reinvested divs in Jan and Feb got me a 10-12% bigger bang for my reinvested buck. Its unclear why the sharp Jan-Feb fall and even sharper March recovery. Probably profit taking and market timers. Nothing fundamental changed xcept "the Donald" scare.
    Remember its the gains tax and 2nd leg which foils most market timers. 2 verrry tough mountains to overcome. I know I can't handle them.. Loss of qualified div income stream is the 3rd hill. Cheers.

  • lenloc lenloc Mar 16, 2016 5:56 PM Flag

    Hey mark,
    Do I still need to apologize seeing my portfolio is now UP about 3%.? About a percent per month.
    What a difference a few weeks in March make!
    Hope those who heeded the advice to sell jumped back in time after paying gain taxes.
    Shows timing the market ain't easy.

  • Lets show some "masterly" inactivity and go fishing.

  • And it jumped up just before close. Contradiction?

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    WMC CEO resigns. Bad news?

    by bdcampbell89 Feb 29, 2016 6:15 PM
    lenloc lenloc Feb 29, 2016 9:48 PM Flag

    Resignation announcement comes just 1 day before earnings but it jumped up just before close. So 2 contradictory events. What say you gracie?

  • Obviously nobody really understands much about Mreits in general. Wmc in particular.
    Best to sit back and collect the div. If oil recovers everrrything will also recover...but gold.

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    If only more of us had listened

    by skm343 Feb 11, 2016 9:36 AM
    lenloc lenloc Feb 16, 2016 12:17 PM Flag

    Bad advice coz
    It said stocks meaning stocks in general. I am heavily into defensive stocks most closely represented by XLP and these are almost flat for the year (down about 1/3 of one %) Overall I am down about 5% for year. Had I sold I would have paid capital gains taxes of 15% or more of portfolio (some gains are are short term and even long term can effectively go up to 25% after obamacare and state tax) leaving me 10% or more in the hole. Next I would need to be smart enuff to get back at the right time else I get locked out of stocks permanently. Bonds are unstable too and can fluctuate a great deal.
    Market timing is extraordinarily difficult coz one has to first overcome the tax hit and next make 2 right decisions CONSECUTIVELY meaning 1st when to sell and 2nd when to get back in. Even Buffet does not try it and few are smarter. They think they are till they get their head handed back to them. The only "timers" who did well like Steve Cohen and Rajaratnam got nailed for insider trading. The latter is in jail and the former lost his license and paid a huge fine.

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    Hey marklib

    by lenloc Jan 29, 2016 12:52 PM
    lenloc lenloc Feb 5, 2016 12:25 PM Flag

    Hey mark I used to be a Repub TILL they became dumb warmongers. All wars are not dumb and at times necessary like WW2, but wars based on lies are and hence self destructive.
    Now I always said that "show me a Dem and I will show u a knave or a fool" and I still say that. There is no such thing as a smart AND honest Dem. Now some Repubs are both smart and honest but they are becoming rarer. Most have become either stupid warmongers or religious, anti science fanatics and will be poison to the economy ala Bush Jr. Still some are still OK. As for stock divs: True Bush began the low rates but stupidly time limited them to 10 years. It was Obama , a less dumb Dem who made them permanent or at least without time limits. So who should get MORE credit? I think Obama. No? Plus he dialed down the stupid wars and that is why we have had this recovery since 2009. Bad as Hillary is, and she will be bad, The leading Repub crop will be far worse. Kasich a good man has no chance and Rubio is a huge question mark. So I am an economic, pro science Repub who may hold his nose and be forced to vote for the lesser evil, Hillary. I suspect u don't agree with me. But in politics I say "Lets agree to disagree" and let go at that. Its not worth wasting time on political matters and stick to economic and investment issues.

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    Hey marklib

    by lenloc Jan 29, 2016 12:52 PM
    lenloc lenloc Feb 4, 2016 12:24 PM Flag

    Some of my tech stocks went to zero and some I did sell. Its not that I never sell but I don't that I never sell, just not that often. I do have a relatively small position in Conoco so I took a hit. I will probably convert it to CVX. Divs ARE occasionally cut but overall they grow every year except for one year out of 35. That was in 2008 thanks to Bush and his stupid wars ( to finance which Greenspan drastically cut fed funds rate in 2003 and set off the housing bubble which ate up the economy). But they (the divs) have more than recovered since. Yes when stocks drop yields go up but u should be smart enuff to realize that what I pay attention to is the dollar amount of divs. The yield is just for comparison with that of SPY (S&P 500 ETF). If my yield was not over 50% higher I might just as well buy SPY as per John Bogle, go home and stop stock picking altogether. But I like the over 50% greater divs and because of them I outperform the S&P 500 (no mean feat). Yes I also benefit from selling "insurance", I mean puts.
    I was checking performance figures in Fidelity. Over past 5 years my taxable portfolio (in which I can sell puts) grew at 15.01% vs 12.57% for the S&P 500 and 3.25% for Barclays Aggregate Bond index. For 10 years which includes the horrendous 2008 crash my portfolio grew @ 9.69% vs 7.31% for the S&P. Bonds improved growing at 4.51%. This does not take into account the much more favorable tax treatment of stock divs versus bond yields so u can see why I don't invest in bonds. The combination of defensive stocks and Industrials in much higher percentage than the S&P (70% vs 21%) seems to be working out. Prior to 2005 I was with another broker which was bought by Fidelity so figures are not available but an over 9% CAGR ain't too shabby despite the horrendous 2008 crash.
    Past year or so I have stalled in terms of stock price but the divs, not withstanding Conoco and our MREITS are still climbing overall tho perhaps somewhat slower.

  • Reply to

    Hey marklib

    by lenloc Jan 29, 2016 12:52 PM
    lenloc lenloc Feb 4, 2016 8:09 AM Flag

    Well the rise in stocks from 2009 to 2015 had to do a lot with recovery from the massive 2008 crash. Now they are not going up fast. Instead they are drooping. That suits me as a re investor of unspent divs. It may continue in this vein as Obama departs replaced by bozo warmongers. However the divs are likely to continue going up tho more slowly. Of the about 80 stocks in my portfolio the distribution is not uniform. In terms of Dollar value about 40% are in defensive staples, much higher than in S&P and 30% in industrials, also higher than S&P. All are div paying. The remaining 30% are spread over Energy (now only 5% due to their shellacking) Tech 9-10% (Lower than S&P) Financials 7% (less than S&P) Health care and Reits at 3-4% each. So basically a Staples/Industrials portfolio with a combined 70% between them.
    The reason for a largish number of stocks is that my portfolio value is pretty substantial. I mean my divs were such that in 1999 after about 20 years of investing,they exceeded my earned income allowing me to take early retirement and they have only grown since then doubling every 8 years or so (So almost 2 doubles in past 16 years or so despite the horrendous 2008). The average yield is 3.5% versus 2.2% for the S&P and that is a big difference. Otherwise I would be all in SPY or VTI. Its coz almost all my stocks are div payers.
    To me diversification means "I don't know" hence one spreads risk or "bets".
    If one "knew" then one would be far more concentrated but I know that I DON'T know.

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