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  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 7:58 PM Flag

    I don't remember it that way, rob and I am sorry that I didn't copy it for future reference.

    I also believe you thought conservatives were traitors.

  • Reply to

    Four Sentences = 10,535 Pages

    by lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 5:06 PM
    lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 7:56 PM Flag

    So do I précis.

  • Reply to

    Four Sentences = 10,535 Pages

    by lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 5:06 PM
    lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 7:17 PM Flag

    Once again ura, you pull "facts" out of your a:s: s. You're as bad as elk making up "facts".

    This is from

    The Wire

    Not ‘Everybody’ Is Covered Under ACA

    Posted on April 2, 2014

    President Obama went too far in saying the Affordable Care Act meant “everybody” would have “basic health care.” The law doesn’t create a universal health care system, and not everyone will have insurance. In fact, tens of millions will still be uninsured.

    Obama made the comment in remarks on April 1 in the White House Rose Garden. The president announced that 7.1 million Americans had signed up for insurance on the federal and state marketplaces through March 31, the end of the open enrollment period. Plus, an estimated 3 million young adults, under age 26, were able to join their parents’ plans because of the law, and millions more Americans are now eligible for Medicaid coverage or the Children’s Health Insurance Program. He boasted of the progress that had been made under the law, but went beyond the facts when he said this:

    Obama, April 1: Nobody remembers well those who stand in the way of America’s progress or our people. And that’s what the Affordable Care Act represents. As messy as it’s been sometimes, as contentious as it’s been sometimes, it is progress. It is making sure that we are not the only advanced country on Earth that doesn’t make sure everybody has basic health care.

    The ACA doesn’t change that status for the United States: The country still is one of just a few advanced nations that don’t “make sure everybody has basic health care,” to borrow Obama’s phrasing.

    The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that tens of millions will gain insurance, but the ACA was never expected to cover everyone. CBO says there will be 25 million fewer uninsured because of the law, as early as 2016. That leaves 31 million still uninsured.

    Some may choose to pay the tax penalty rather than buy insurance. Others may get an exemption from the requirement to have coverage. Those who make too little to file a tax return can be exempt, for instance, and the same is true for those who can’t find affordable coverage — meaning if insurance would cost more than 8 percent of their household income. “Hardship” exemptions could be granted for several reasons, including bankruptcy, being a victim of domestic violence, a death in the family, unpaid medical bills, and having an individual market plan canceled and not finding “affordable” coverage among marketplace plans.

    Plus, there’s a hardship exemption for those who could have been eligible for Medicaid if their state had expanded the program under the law. Since 24 states haven’t expanded Medicaid, that leaves millions of below-poverty Americans falling into a gap between their state’s Medicaid eligibility level and being eligible for subsidies, which are available for those earning 100 percent to 400 percent of the federal poverty level. (The Kaiser Family Foundation estimated in December 2013 — when 25 states weren’t moving forward with expansion — that nearly 5 million would fall into this coverage gap and likely remain uninsured.)

    Obama, of course, would like all states to expand Medicaid, and he addressed that issue in his Rose Garden remarks, saying: “[M]illions of Americans remain uncovered in part because governors in some states for political reasons have deliberately refused to expand coverage under this law. But we’re going to work on that.”

    But even if all states did expand Medicaid, everyone wouldn’t have health insurance. In 2010, the CBO estimated that, because of the law, 94 percent of Americans would be insured. Now, the CBO’s estimate is that 92 percent would be insured. (Both figures exclude those in the country illegally.)

    Obama went on to say that the goal was for no American to be without health care, and that “that goal is achievable.” Perhaps, but not with this law alone.

    Obama, April 1: But today should remind us that the goal we set for ourselves — that no American should go without the health care that they need; that no family should be bankrupt because somebody in that family gets sick, because no parent should have to be worried about whether they can afford treatment because they’re worried that they don’t want to have to burden their children; the idea that everybody in this country can get decent health care — that goal is achievable. We are on our way.

    New legislation would have to be passed to get to universal coverage. Despite expressing support back in 2003 for a “single-payer” health system, in which everyone has health insurance through the government, Obama hasn’t embraced the idea as a presidential candidate or while in office. Advocates for a single-payer system have been critical of the president for excluding them from discussions on overhauling the health care system.

    The plan put forth by Obama in 2007 and 2008, when he was first campaigning for president, wouldn’t have covered everyone, either, despite the fact that he claimed it would. At that time, Obama didn’t support an individual mandate to require individuals to have insurance or face some kind of penalty, making his plan less effective at covering most Americans than that of Hillary Clinton, who called for such a mandate. Experts predicted that Clinton’s plan would come close to universal coverage, but even that plan, just like the ACA, wouldn’t cover everyone.

    Obama ads in 2008 wrongly touted his plan as “universal coverage for all Americans,” and he said in a 2007 speech in Hartford, Conn., that “I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American.”

    Less than two years into his first term, he did sign a health care bill that’s expected to expand insurance coverage to tens of millions of Americans. But it won’t cover everybody.

    – Lori Robertson

  • Reply to

    Four Sentences = 10,535 Pages

    by lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 5:06 PM
    lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 7:12 PM Flag

    Oh, elk, making up "facts" again.

  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 7:08 PM Flag

    You nailed hay!

  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 7:07 PM Flag

    This is coming from a guy who wants anybody who disagrees with him to die horrible deaths.

    You're a psycho who talks about free thinkers? Apparently anyone who thinks outside your box you want dead. You're nuts so why should I believe anything a psycho like you says?

    Instead of participating on this MB, you should seek professional help or at least get back on your meds.

  • Salon
    Thomas Frank
    Sunday, Aug 24, 2014 06:00 AM CDT

    Cornel West: “He posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit. We ended up with a Wall Street presidency, a drone presidency”

    Exclusive: Cornel West talks Ferguson, Hillary, MSNBC -- and unloads on the failed promise of Barack Obama

    Cornel West is a professor at Union Theological Seminary and one of my favorite public intellectuals, a man who deals in penetrating analyses of current events, expressed in a pithy and highly quotable way.

    I first met him nearly six years ago, while the financial crisis and the presidential election were both under way, and I was much impressed by what he had to say. I got back in touch with him last week, to see how he assesses the nation’s progress since then.

    The conversation ranged from Washington, D.C., to Ferguson, Missouri, and although the picture of the nation was sometimes bleak, our talk ended on a surprising note.

    Last time we talked it was almost six years ago. It was a panel discussion The New Yorker magazine had set up, it was in the fall of 2008, so it was while the financial crisis was happening, while it was actually in progress. The economy was crumbling and everybody was panicking. I remember you speaking about the financial crisis in a way that I thought made sense. There was a lot of confusion at the time. People didn’t know where to turn or what was going on.

    I also remember, and this is just me I’m talking about, being impressed by Barack Obama who was running for president at the time. I don’t know if you and I talked about him on that occasion. But at the time, I sometimes thought that he looked like he had what this country needed.

    So that’s my first question, it’s a lot of ground to cover but how do you feel things have worked out since then, both with the economy and with this president? That was a huge turning point, that moment in 2008, and my own feeling is that we didn’t turn.

    No, the thing is he posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit. We ended up with a Wall Street presidency, a drone presidency, a national security presidency. The torturers go free. The Wall Street executives go free. The war crimes in the Middle East, especially now in Gaza, the war criminals go free. And yet, you know, he acted as if he was both a progressive and as if he was concerned about the issues of serious injustice and inequality and it turned out that he’s just another neoliberal centrist with a smile and with a nice rhetorical flair. And that’s a very sad moment in the history of the nation because we are—we’re an empire in decline. Our culture is in increasing decay. Our school systems are in deep trouble. Our political system is dysfunctional. Our leaders are more and more bought off with legalized bribery and normalized corruption in Congress and too much of our civil life. You would think that we needed somebody—a Lincoln-like figure who could revive some democratic spirit and democratic possibility.

  • Reply to

    Four Sentences = 10,535 Pages

    by lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 5:06 PM
    lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 6:19 PM Flag

    Isn't that what I said in my post? Some people lost their insurance and had to pay more to be reinsured?

  • Reply to

    Four Sentences = 10,535 Pages

    by lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 5:06 PM
    lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 6:06 PM Flag

    pre, are you saying if we like our plan we can keep our plan?

    Are you saying that millions of insured didn't lose their plans and had to buy more expensive plans to remain insured?

    Just asking.

  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 5:53 PM Flag

    pre, how uninformed is this? "In 2010, Dowd was ranked #43 on The Daily Telegraph's list of the 100 most influential liberals in America; in 2007, she was ranked #37 on the same list."

    Is that liberal enough for you? What else does she need to satisfy you, be a card carrying communist?

  • lonesome_polecatt by lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 5:43 PM Flag

    'We Ended Up With A Brown-Faced Clinton. Another Opportunist.'

    12:01 PM, Aug 25, 2014 • By DANIEL HALPER

  • lonesome_polecatt by lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 5:06 PM Flag

    Here are the 10,535 pages of Obama Care condensed to four sentences ...

    As humorous as this sounds ... every last word of it is absolutely TRUE!

    1. In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to uninsure the insured.

    2. Next, we require the newly uninsured to be re-insured.

    3. To re-insure the newly uninsured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured.

    4. The extra charges are required so that the original insured, who became uninsured, and
    then became re-insured, can pay enough extra so that the original uninsured can be insured,
    which will be free of charge to them.

    This, ladies and gentlemen, is called “redistribution of wealth” …
    or, by its more common name, SOCIALISM.

    Remember ... America voted for Hope and Change.

    We got it.

  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 4:35 PM Flag

    pres, let me see if I have this right. If she doesn't agree with you she is "More like the loony immature mainstream media that's not concerned with facts and analyses and instead concerns itself with high school gossip style reporting."

    Maureen is a hard core leftist who has finally realized The Living God is a phony.

  • Salon (Hardly a right wing rag. It's a left wing rag.)
    Thomas Frank
    Sunday, Aug 24, 2014 06:00 AM CDT

    Cornel West: “He posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit. We ended up with a Wall Street presidency, a drone presidency”

  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 11:43 AM Flag

    ob, none of the predictions from the global warming scam have come true so why do you defend it? Ice caps have grown, not shrank. hurricanes season are milder, not more violent. Doesn't that make you think? Obviously not!

  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 11:32 AM Flag

    By the responses, I see none of the worshipers are going to get rid of their knee pads.

  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 11:28 AM Flag

    flop, I didn't say it was like the Gestapo. I said it is the closest thing we have to the Gestapo. And I'll bet you money you have once again posted something without even, to quote The Living God, a "smidgen" of knowledge of the abuses the IRS has perpetrated on our citizens. I do have more than a smidgen of knowledge and the latest outrage of using the IRS as a political weapon is just one of many examples. It is a direct attack on our constitution. I realize that you and the rest of the worshipers blindly don't believe this but it's true. The IRS is there to collect taxes not punish groups for their political beliefs. Worshipers like yourself don't believe it's a crime to punish conservatives.

    I believe in the two party system. One party keeps the other party in line. It is a constant, at times, disgusting battle but it holds the ruling party's feet to the fire which should be the duty of all citizens. Unlike you and your socialist pals, I don't believe in worshipers. Worshipers are people who demand to be led, who demand to be told what to think. Frankly that disgusts me but people like you and elk welcome it with open arms.

    Any attempt to illegally destroy a party in my view is close to treason. Trying to illegally destroy the opposing party is Gestapo like tactics.

    So take you "ignorant" statement and stuff it up your a:s s.

  • lonesome_polecatt lonesome_polecatt Aug 25, 2014 11:09 AM Flag

    Ladies gentlemen of the jury, this moron is an idiot.

    I rest my case!

  • Illogical, dysfunctional loons want to take guns away from law abiding citizen but had no plan to get the guns out of the hands of gangbangers.

    Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

    City sees fewer homicides, robberies, burglaries, car thefts as Illinois residents take arms

    By Kelly Riddell - The Washington Times - Sunday, August 24, 2014

    An 86-year-old Illinois man with a concealed carry permit fired his weapon at an armed robbery suspect fleeing police last month, stopping the man in his tracks and allowing the police to make an arrest.

    Law enforcement authorities described the man as “a model citizen” who “helped others avoid being victims” at an AT&T store outside Chicago where he witnessed the holdup. The man, whose identity was withheld from the press, prevented others from entering the store during the theft.

    Police said the robber harassed customers and pistol-whipped one.

    Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

    “It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. “The police department hasn’t changed a single tactic — they haven’t announced a shift in policy or of course — and yet you have these incredible numbers.”

    As of July 29 the state had 83,183 applications for concealed carry and had issued 68,549 licenses. By the end of the year, Mr. Pearson estimates, 100,000 Illinois citizens will be packing. When Illinois began processing requests in January, gun training and shooting classes — which are required for the application — were filling up before the rifle association was able to schedule them, Mr. Pearson said.

    “The temperature would be 40 below, and you’d have these guys out on the range, having to crack off the ice from their guns to see the target,” Mr. Pearson said. “But they’d do it, because they were that passionate about getting their license.”

    The demand has slowed this summer, but Mr. Pearson expects the state to issue about 300,000 concealed carry permits when all is said and done.

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