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marklibera 502 posts  |  Last Activity: Dec 22, 2014 4:09 PM Member since: Aug 14, 2007
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    by edwardkeefej Nov 21, 2014 7:57 AM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 21, 2014 9:07 AM Flag

    Ed, you are correct that we usually have a bear market every 7 years or so, so next year may be the last year of this bull. There could be a blow-off top, but I am not sure every bull ends with a blow-off. However, you can bet that if everyone on these boards starts getting super positive and rejoicing in their stock market gains, that is a sure sign that a reversal is imminent. You could be right about European stocks, especially the big cap, high dividend paying ones -- there are plenty of ETFs for those. If you think the yen is going to continue to slide, there's an inverse ETF for that. mREITs will get hit on the initial rate rise, but I don't think the Fed can raise rates that much, so once they are done, the mREITs should be beaten down and in a good position. You are correct that we need to start thinking of some new ideas besides the usual high-yield stocks.

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    Day Traders Apparent

    by alw59saw Nov 19, 2014 6:22 PM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 21, 2014 8:57 AM Flag

    But you are forgetting that rising short rates effect their borrowing costs which effects their spread. Offset against that is their hedges, but most hedges are tied to the 10 yr, so it does depend on the yield curve slope, or stated differently, how fast each end of curve rises. The other point about rising rates is that they effect book value (usually negative). So while rising rates may give mREITs an opportunity to add investments with higher interest, the assets on the books could take a hit

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    Next week

    by jbcguy Nov 20, 2014 12:18 PM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 20, 2014 4:56 PM Flag

    jbc, is it even worth selling covered calls? I wouldn't think the premiums were worth it given that the stock has been beaten down. Plus, if there is a rebound, you could easily get called out and miss out on any additional upside. Perhaps selling OTM puts is a better play?

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    Oh My A reversal Nas is green

    by madmax19471952 Nov 20, 2014 10:32 AM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 20, 2014 1:53 PM Flag

    Sarge, I have not yet bought the Feb options on Yahoo. Waiting to sell my Nov options first. Aapl is way overbought here with the RSI over 80, so it is due to go sideways at some point. No doubt they will have a good holiday season to report because of the iphone 6, but the jury is still out on the other products.

    As for Stagg's contention that aapl has a "low" yield, better to have a low and growing dividend, then one that is in risk of being cut (like NADL and SDRL). As for building a better mouse trap, that is a risk in the electronics and many other ndustries, but usually there is ample time before one company's product is supplanted by another. Blackberry was the king for a long time and its stock was a multi bagger, up until the time the iphone was first introduced. Before that, I remember Motorola having a stronghold in cellphones and its stock being a mutlibagger. So yes, you can't put a stock away and forget about it just because it is the leader in a certain sector, but that also shouldn't keep one from investing in these types of stocks.
    The funny thing is that the same can be said for Ford, yet Stagg is a big proponent of that stock, even though GM or Dodge or any other truck company could come out with a better truck to challenge Ford. Sometimes we can have inconsistent rationales that justify our positions.

  • marklibera by marklibera Nov 20, 2014 1:23 PM Flag

    The EPB merger with KMI was approved and I sold all of my EPB shares. Moved some of the proceeds into WMB which has been on my list for several months. WMB just announced further guidance on their dividend increases extending now through 2017, promising 20% growth each year (check the announcement for exact percentages and time). IMO, with that type of dividend growth WMB should be priced closer to a 3% yield rather than its current 4% yield. I think it can easily get to $70.
    I decided not to want to own KMI shares, mainly because the issuance of shares and debt to close these mergers might weigh on the stock. At any rate, WMB has projected better dividend growth of 20% whereas KMI projected 10% growth.
    I also own shares of WPZ and was thinking of swapping those for WMB shares next year.

  • marklibera marklibera Nov 20, 2014 9:01 AM Flag

    True, but they used that $193mm to pay down their credit line (which they can re-borrow when the next acquisition closes). As I recall, many of their competitors issued preferred equity when it made more sense than to issue common, so that's another avenue they could use.

  • From the iv board, Wells downgraded several of the marine companies, including SDLP. Maybe they are a little late as the market tends to be ahead of the fundamentals.
    On a separate note, the Fed minutes are due this afternoon and maybe they might cause the market to rally and give another chance to sell some tax losers at a bit better price.

  • marklibera marklibera Nov 19, 2014 12:46 PM Flag

    Any increase in EVEP stock depends on a monetization of their Utica acreage and a return to doing what the MLP was initially formed for -- buying long-lived producing properties. There should be an acquisition soon as they have the proceeds from the sale of Eagle Ford properties that have to be redeployed in order to obtain like-kind exchange tax treatment. I think they said on the earnings call that properties have to be identified by the end of November. Hopefully they don't issue common equity to pay for part of the acquisition price.

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    O/T NADL

    by huffdaland Nov 18, 2014 11:14 AM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 19, 2014 11:47 AM Flag

    "Dollar cost averaging will not always made us money but it will 'help us lose less".

    This is totally non-sensical. It is true, if and only if, the stock comes back and increases over your average price. There are plenty of stocks that never came back.

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    O/T NADL

    by huffdaland Nov 18, 2014 11:14 AM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 19, 2014 11:43 AM Flag

    Unfortunately, I am still in NADL. I just saw the 20% drop a minute ago. I thought this was going to go the slow bleed route a la SDRL and SDLP which is why I said it was premature to average down, especially with nothing new reported. Although in retrospect, it does show that dollar cost averaging is a sure way to lose money if you don't know where the bottom is. I am reminded of that big investor, Joe Lewis who kept buying Bear Stearns from $100 all the way down to $10. Never heard what happened to him.
    If this does go to $2, it doesn't mean that stepping in to buy is going to be any easier of a decision at that point since if it drops to $2, it will probably be due to some announcement. I still have not sold SDLP yet even though it is on my tax-loss list and seems to be in better shape than both SDRL and NADL in that they just raised their divy. As I said earlier, SDLP may just be getting hit because of its association with SDRL, which you think the market may recognize eventually.
    Still in Aapl and since that is in my wife's account, she probably won't sell it.

  • the street dot #$%$ has NRZ as a sell because (and I quote), "it reported significant earnings per share improvement in the most recent quarter," "net income growth has significantly exceeded that of the S&P," 'the gross profit margin is very high." The algos that trade the headlines might knock it down a bit and create a nice buying opportunity heading into the next divy announcement.

  • marklibera by marklibera Nov 19, 2014 10:56 AM Flag

    Noticed that the street has one of their stupid headlines listing NRZ as a stock to sell (they did this with WMC before). Anyone who has ever bothered to read any of these reports knows that the writers usually don't know what they are talking about (the piece on WMC showed positive fundamentals, yet the stock was still a sell in their opinion). This might produce a decline in NRZ and a buying opportunity. NRZ has had a pattern of declaring a special dividend every other quarter, so they might have one for Q4, which should be announced in early Dec. They also had some post-Q3 gains that will be reflected in Q4 earnings (the news is already out on those gains, but the algos that trade will pick up the positive news when the Q4 earnings are announced in early 2015. Also, Leon Cooperman has bought a large block of shares.

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    O/T....YHOO...I am the kiss of death

    by rbgambler99 Nov 19, 2014 10:13 AM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 19, 2014 10:49 AM Flag

    Gambler, I think it is just profit taking or typical option expiration week activity. There is some speculation that Yahoo may announce their plan soon, but I think they will wait until they report in Jan which should be AFTER the January options expiration. That means one has to buy Feb options if one wants to be sure to catch the spin-off announcement. I think mgmt is also waiting because as long as the plan is still to be announced, the raiders won't be able to criticize it and mount a proxy battle. There have been lots of articles on how much Yahoo could be worth with some figures over $70.
    Despite what seems like a sure thing, I am not going to be betting the farm on this, as whenever I think I have found a "bet the farm" stock, something always goes wrong. I am going to stick with using options. As for BABA, the stock (not the business) reminds me of GOOG when it first came public.

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    ex div date

    by the4ateam2004 Nov 15, 2014 10:54 AM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 19, 2014 10:37 AM Flag

    Grgsvll, many posts were doing the same thing on other message boards. The S.A. article points out that their oil production is declining. The hedges will help out this quarter, but this is a lost cause. It is due to catch up with the other trusts (SDT SDR and PER) in the rate of decline. Because CHKR didn't really run up into the distribution announcement, I didn't play the puts this quarter. These trusts are difficult to short because the shares are hard to borrow. Since we are getting into tax-loss selling time, there should be added selling in these shares. As I stated before, this should go to $7 or below. Come March, they will no doubt show more deterioration in their PV-10 and CHK will probably mark-down their value of the subordinate shares that they hold to under $6. When CHK finally unloads those shares, a bomb is going to go off and holders are going to wonder what hit them.

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    ex div date

    by the4ateam2004 Nov 15, 2014 10:54 AM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 18, 2014 3:27 PM Flag

    If you are in this stock and donu0027t know the history of how it reacts after the ex-date, then you really need to get a clue. Someone has been publishing analysis on Seeking alpha on many of these similar trusts (SDT SDR PER and CHKR) after they report their earnings. CHKR is going to $7 eventually and probably lower.

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    O/T NADL

    by huffdaland Nov 18, 2014 11:14 AM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 18, 2014 2:06 PM Flag

    I would rather wait until they cut the divy and the stock flushes down to $2. Then the weak hands are out. If they maintain the divy, it might get a bounce, but then it will be sold after the ex-date and probably continue down through tax loss season. Unfortunately, I bought this in my IRA and already added when the RSI went to 11.

    These drillers -- NADL, SDRL and SDLP -- have absolutely stunk up the joint. Too many people too confident in the so-called great JF. Reminds me of the time when everyone was too confident in the dry bulk shippers. Confirmation and group bias at work. At least I didn#$%$ buy SDRL.

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    O/T....Buy YHOO/stock or options

    by rbgambler99 Nov 17, 2014 2:13 PM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 17, 2014 5:26 PM Flag

    Gambler, I'm thinking of adding to my Yahoo options by buying some Jan calls. Not sure which strike price. I still have the Nov options that expire this week and will probably hold until Friday in case there is some announcement on the tax spin. I'm not expecting one, but just in case. I agree that Yahoo could run some more in spite of their management. Too bad I didn't buy more BABA options or hold the ones I bought for a few more days, but I thought it would need time to digest its gains from the IPO. Still a 3 bagger is not bad for about 2 weeks. Because of the Yahoo and BABA option gains, I'm going to have substantial realized gains for the year and will have to sell everything that has a current loss. Sold LNCO last week. Next up is SDLP and then HCLP. I might revisit HCLP later when oil stabilizes.

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    Can we take

    by clarjo02 Nov 9, 2014 11:59 PM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 14, 2014 4:50 PM Flag

    The majority of the merger comp is in stock. I think only $1.25 is in cash.

  • marklibera marklibera Nov 14, 2014 1:31 PM Flag

    Well I'll try one more time. In 2011, NYMT had GAAP earnings of $0.46, but they paid a dividend of $1.00. This proves the disconnect between GAAP earnings, and taxable earnings -- the latter of which determines the dividend payment requirement. Despite what you say, the special dividend was not because of great earnings, but solely because they had not paid enough dividends during 2011 to satisfy their REIT requirement. So much for your FACT that they paid out a special because of the great performance. The press release announcing the special dividend in 2011 says as much -- that they were required to pay the special to meet their REIT requirement. But feel free to believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the easter bunny.

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    by staggman99 Nov 13, 2014 8:14 AM
    marklibera marklibera Nov 14, 2014 12:13 PM Flag

    rogers, "doing great" is relative. AWLCF is down from $24 at the beginning of the year, so while that's not the same decline that SDRL took (SDRL is down almost 50%) it is still substantial. Yes, they did have a good quarter, but is it smart to chase the dividend when that represents last quarter? Some on the AWLCF board have said that the company guided lower for next year. The numbers are in their presentation so one can attempt to estimate next quarter's dividend (there's not many moving parts to it: revenues from 2 rigs, opex, g&a and the tax rate). The big difference between AWLCF and SDRL may be the amount of debt. AWLCF refinanced theirs -- but you always have to check to see when principal payments are due and when the maturity is.
    At any rate, always look at the entire picture whenever someone pumps how great a stock (usually in their own portfolio) is doing.

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